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10 grams dissolved - help with sodium carbonate wash???
- Thread starter CrushNazT
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Madcap
illudium Q-36
As I understand it:
water needs to be slightly basic to make sure its not acidic. I don't think it needs to be 11 but I don't think that would hurt at all.
You just want it basic so it does not absorb your n,n. Because freebase n,n is not soluble in water. If the water is even slightly acidic, it may convert a small amount of your freebase n,n to a salt and absorb it. Then you would experience a loss in yield.
swim has stopped including a wash in his extraction tek. n-oxide is soluble in water and n-oxide is lovely. There is not enough reason to wash it away imo.
water needs to be slightly basic to make sure its not acidic. I don't think it needs to be 11 but I don't think that would hurt at all.
You just want it basic so it does not absorb your n,n. Because freebase n,n is not soluble in water. If the water is even slightly acidic, it may convert a small amount of your freebase n,n to a salt and absorb it. Then you would experience a loss in yield.
swim has stopped including a wash in his extraction tek. n-oxide is soluble in water and n-oxide is lovely. There is not enough reason to wash it away imo.
Yeah wash is to remove lye and other polar impurities that may have come across from sloppy separation (or tiny droplets of mimosa+lye mix suspended in the non-polar solvent). Madcap is right that theoretically dmt n-oxide is reasonably water soluble but AFAIK nobody ever tested how much there is of n-oxide from naphtha pulls anyways. N-oxide is not soluble in naphtha at room temp but when temperature goes up, this will likely change. But is there much n-oxide in mimosa in the first place? Any evidence of that? At this point, until we have further evidence, I guess you should just follow your feeling.
CrushNazT, I think the key to make it smokable is two things: Make sure to dry the crystals properly after retrieving from naphtha, maybe redissolving them in another less toxic solvent like pure ethanol or acetone and evap again (to remove solvent traces trapped inside crystals). Then, the other key is to get a good smoking device. Me and a lot of others here feel that the glass vaporgenie + torch lighter is the smoothest most effective vaporization method by far, but if you dont have money for that, the classic genie can be another option. Before I had the genie I used the herb/ash sandwhich in the bong method, and it was quite good once you got the method right (keep flame as far away as possible and take 3 deep slow long hits). Nevertheless the genie still is much better.
As for the crystals, yes they are forming because naphtha is super-saturated at this temperature. If you let it at room temp for a while more, then move to the fridge for a couple of hours, and then keep alternating over a day or two between room temp-fridge and fridge-freezer, then finally to freezer for 12-24 hours, then you'll have some beautiful crystals. But the yield and effects will be just the same, so if you dont care, just put it in the freezer straight away. But if you are not in a hurry, I recommend doing this at least once in life, its such a beautiful alchemical-like process. Take pics and show us after if you do
I seriously hope, though, that this big quantity of dmt is used rightfully, not sold, and all of the other things you are well aware regarding health and safety and our attitude here
CrushNazT, I think the key to make it smokable is two things: Make sure to dry the crystals properly after retrieving from naphtha, maybe redissolving them in another less toxic solvent like pure ethanol or acetone and evap again (to remove solvent traces trapped inside crystals). Then, the other key is to get a good smoking device. Me and a lot of others here feel that the glass vaporgenie + torch lighter is the smoothest most effective vaporization method by far, but if you dont have money for that, the classic genie can be another option. Before I had the genie I used the herb/ash sandwhich in the bong method, and it was quite good once you got the method right (keep flame as far away as possible and take 3 deep slow long hits). Nevertheless the genie still is much better.
As for the crystals, yes they are forming because naphtha is super-saturated at this temperature. If you let it at room temp for a while more, then move to the fridge for a couple of hours, and then keep alternating over a day or two between room temp-fridge and fridge-freezer, then finally to freezer for 12-24 hours, then you'll have some beautiful crystals. But the yield and effects will be just the same, so if you dont care, just put it in the freezer straight away. But if you are not in a hurry, I recommend doing this at least once in life, its such a beautiful alchemical-like process. Take pics and show us after if you do
I seriously hope, though, that this big quantity of dmt is used rightfully, not sold, and all of the other things you are well aware regarding health and safety and our attitude here
Madcap
illudium Q-36
I feel kinda dumb about that last post. Because my procedure actually does include a sodium carb wash (although not a very thorough one)
I put my saturated dlimo in a 250 ML graduated cylinder and let it sit overnight usually. Even though it looks clear when I pull it...it always looks better in the morning but there are some tiny mimosa speckles at the bottom. I use slightly basic water to raise the solvent level up to where my glass baster can get to it. I guess this is just a lame wash because I do not swirl it around.
thinking about it .... I bet I'm losing my n-oxide anyway. I last converted my fumarates to FB with sodium carb and water. I used to do acetone pulls but for budget s sake I switched to the water method.
Sorry to be confusing. Just trying to help.
I put my saturated dlimo in a 250 ML graduated cylinder and let it sit overnight usually. Even though it looks clear when I pull it...it always looks better in the morning but there are some tiny mimosa speckles at the bottom. I use slightly basic water to raise the solvent level up to where my glass baster can get to it. I guess this is just a lame wash because I do not swirl it around.
thinking about it .... I bet I'm losing my n-oxide anyway. I last converted my fumarates to FB with sodium carb and water. I used to do acetone pulls but for budget s sake I switched to the water method.
Sorry to be confusing. Just trying to help.