In these discussions I see a lot of people try to use science to argue either side. I think that humans are masters of creation. We are fantastic at it.

However, the most common thing we create for ourselves and each other is limitation.

We try and explain something as complex as the universe and when we can't test it in a lab we say something is true or not true. This is a terrible way of proving things for several reasons. The most important I will point out, being a scientific study, is that cells react to our intentions. This has been proven. Science has been 'proven' and disproved since it's creation. Constantly. We can not assume safely that any scientific study actually means anything. It is based on our limitations of understand that we have set up for thousands of years.

The only thing that proves anything to me is personal experience. When personal experiences start to make sense to the theories, books, discussions, I will consider them. I have had a lot of what I will dub as 'personal spiritual experiences' that proved to me without a doubt that some information gathered was real, AND when combined with other information that was proven to me in some way, it made more sense. They always connected and the ideas just grew.

I'm now to the point where I have a pretty complex belief system that when viewed makes a lot of sense. I do admit that the more I feel like I know about anything, the more I realize I don't know. The universe is an incredibly complex thing and I do not want to even attempt to understand it in it's entirety. I feel like that would take a way a lot from this human experience,making it a pointless experience. If I knew everything about the universe, I would be an 11th dimensional being. I obviously don't, so I'm on this planet to learn about it.

We learn best through experiences. We are all extensions of the source, and exist to learn about ourselves, so our higher selves, so we can learn about the source. Being the same through a system of direct connections, the source learns about itself from all experiences.

We are at the center of existence if you look at the fact that we all are one. We are all existence. Every existence effects the other ones some how. This is not egotistical, this is equality. No one thing is divine. Everything is divine. Not all that one imagines will be, unless you choose to make it be. I can think of 10 stories and only write one. The stories I thought of will still exist in the form of information, in the akashic records, the zero point field. The material existence I chose is what makes it. We can chose anything if we take that responsibility

but yeah this is way off topic

I've lurked this board for years and never post much, but I'm happy to see people that can have a serious discussion about these concepts and respect viewpoints

thanks!!