3 grams of Syrian Rue & 3 grams of red Caapi - newbie here!

[checkcake]

Pardon if this info is already posted on here. I've had a look with no joy. I've not found any info specific to the sort of quantity of each of these materials I have. I'd rather be thorough in my quest for info as this will be my first time in prep and consumption of Ayahuasca. I'm totally aware of the problems that could arise.

OK, I've come by 3 grams of Syrian Rue & 3 grams of what looks like (redish) Caapi. The guy last night described preparing and consuming both by boiling down. The way the night went I didn't get the details down. Could someone here help me out please. I've been reading all sorts of stuff this morning how the Rue enables the Caapi to work. But I'm reading about much larger quantities of the Caapi.

I'm afraid I'm a bit clueless at the mo as to what to do with what I've got to get the most out of it. I have plenty of experience with various forms of psilocybin and LSD in large doses and have been taking psychedelics from time to time for nearly 20 years. I've always looked at Ayahuasca/DMT as being another step, but have never had the opportunity to try it.

Some info would be greatly appreciated ta

Peas & gravy peeps

 

[Phlux-]

i think ur missing the boat here - aya requires a dmt containing plant and a maoi containing plant - both rue and caapi are maoi containing plants.
you can mix caapi + dmt plant or rue + dmt plant
u could get fx off plain caapi or rue but i dont think thats what ur looking for
imo the best mix would be caapi(banasteriopsis caapi) and chacruna(psychotria viridis)
the reason i chose those is because the caapi is much less intense on the body and it contains thh where rue is rough on you, tastes bad and has no thh. The p.viridis is a good dmt plant because of its alkaloid profile - no bufo or 5meo.

The above mentioned would be a traditional aya brew but one could also use plain mhrb as a jurema or mhrb(a lesser amount) + the maoi plant.

I think im preddy right on this - please someone correct me if im wrong.

 

[soulman]

Well i wouldn't say that im the most qualified person to comment on this, but as far as im aware, both of the things you mentioned are MAOIs, and so the best you can hope to achieve from makin a brew of these products is a dreamy leathargy. I may be wrong about this though.

I think to best utilise these products, the best thing to do would be get some kind of plant material that contained DMT (MHRB, Chacruna, Chaliponga etc), and brew it with that. This was the brew would then be more like ayahuasca, and id imagine, alot more of a "enlightening experience" than just rue and caapi.

 

[checkcake]

Thanks guys. That's what I thought. I've been reading around and nothing corresponded with what I was told last night. Unless of course I'm wrong about the caapi and it's something else, Mimosa Hostilis maybe. It's shredded and brown/reddish in colour. Is Mimosa this colour? Hard to tell from picts online.

8)

 

[Phlux-]

raw -

chopped -

ground -

You cant really see it in the pic but it is pink/purple/brown in color.

 

[checkcake]

Brilliant Phlux- just the ticket! I have ground Mimosa. It's the absolute spitting image of that last image. Cheers for that :d

OK...whadoidoo with it?? I believe I boil them both down in a little water until the colour comes out, taking half of the Rue then half again, about an hour later before the Mimosa. I'm a bit vague to be honest. If someone would be so good as to give me some better pointers I'd be very grateful indeed.

Also what should I expect from the quantity I have? I've been reading of amounts of 10grams or more.

Massive ta's 8)

 

[soulman]

I hate to piss on your chips, but Im not entirely sure that 3g will be sufficient for you to experience anything really.
There was a thread on here somewhere and someone wanted to know how much caapi to take, to act as a maoi before smoking a hit DMT. And tthe general concensus that came back from some of the more "experienced" members was 50g. I know it sounds like a lot, but it seems that thats how much is needed mate.

http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/recipes/

But if you could get hold of some more Mimosa, itl be well worth your while extracting some spice : )

 

[Phlux-]

3g of rue is exactly perfect for maoi functionality.
The mhrb amount im unsure of - 3g at say 1% spice plus the oxide and jungle - lets put it at 1.5% tryptamines just to be on the optimistic side.
that would be 45mg of tryptamines - no clue on what the oral dose is but iv heard of brews that only contain 30mg of spice but i think they often have much bigger maoi doses.
id say just go for it - grind up everything really fine and cook it with some lemon juice.
I have never done aya so im probably not the correct person to answer this tho.

 

[prottel]

Just go for it. Mimosa and rue is easy to order, so you can always get more later on. 3 gram mimosa might be weak, or it might be strong, depending on the you, the material and your brewing. For me, and my mimosa, 3 gram would be pretty strong.

I would say it is a good dose to start with. Might give you nothing, but then again, the chances of overdosing is much less.