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blue_velvet

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I wrote up a (hopefully adequate) wiki page for this substance 4-HO-MiPTin the hopes of generating some discussion. I've recently come into contact with it and would love to gain some insight from my favorite psychedelic community before beginning my experiments. I'll share my experiences some time in the coming weeks (or days, schedule-permitting).
 
This is actually my first time logging into this account in over three years, but I just had to say that I would be happy to discuss 4-HO-MiPT. :) Miprocin is one of my favorite psychedelics for sure. I was actually thinking about coming back here to post some of my experience reports for many different synthetic tryptamines. How were you planning to start experimenting with it?
 
Fascinating! I would enjoy to read any follow-up reports with this as I have recently come across 5-MEO-MiPT and I'm eager to begin. It would be interesting to see the subjective differences between the two.

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4-HO-MiPT is hands-down my favorite synthetic psychedelic. It is truly a gem.

Here are some characteristics that myself & others have found consistent:

- Very cerebral/heady trip. Extreme cognitive depth, diamond clarity. Emotions are 'blissfully neutral'.
Sometimes it doesn't seem to fully click or jive with people who are on an emotional rather than mental wavelength... but brainiacs & eggheads are in for a treat !

(I once combined MDMA with Miprocin, expecting wonderful things... instead, I felt a vibration of utter contempt & disdain coming from MIPT, as if to say, 'how dare you sully my pristine glory with a tawdry little strumpet like Molly !' )

- A distinct, high-frequency intensity.

- There is a 'window' or 'portal' that appears about 75-100 minutes after ingestion. It is easy to miss, you need to be in focused meditation as the trip unfolds in order to discern it. This window lasts 15-20 minutes and going through it will take you to 'the next level'.

- I like to call Miprocin 'a hotline to the Higher Self'. It aligns us with our higher-dimensional God-Self. It is a very distinct & unambiguous effect. I have read reports of this 'Godhood' effect causing megalomania & delusions of grandeur in the ill-prepared, so take heed.

- Extreme responsiveness to music. I always take mushrooms in silence, but in my experience Miprocin really requires an appropriate soundtrack. It is the catalyst.

I had one experience in nature, totally without music (left headphones in the car)... it was good but just didn't really get off the ground as it would have otherwise.

Music that is vibrationally 100% positive, mystical, crisp, clean, tasteful, intelligent, sophisticated, & with a strong rhythm works best for me... in other words, the highest quality Psy-chill or Goa that you can find. The more effort you put into your playlist, the better !

- Strong synchronicity/paranormal factor. It is often quite startling, jarring, or spooky. In fact, every single trip has had what I call the Miprocin 'twist'.
Here are some examples of the 'twist' I have experienced:

-freak lightning storms

-strange unmarked government vehicles & agents invading the park I was in

-huge aggressive dogs following me in the middle of the forest

-doors slamming shut on their own

-being alone in the house and feeling hands run through my hair

-someone pounding on my backdoor at 1am, trying to break in (i panicked, but my friend roared like a lion & scared them off...)

-once I remarked to my friend, "Miprocin always adds that little twist"... the very instant that I started to pronounce the word 'twist', a massive, house-shaking lightning-bolt struck my front yard...

etc etc. i have never been harmed by one of these 'twists', but they will certainly make your hair stand on end, & maybe force you to think on your feet!



I'll leave it there for now... if you've got more questions, please ask! I can wax rhapsodic about Miprocin for hours.
 
blue lunar night said:
4-HO-MiPT is hands-down my favorite synthetic psychedelic. It is truly a gem.

Here are some characteristics that myself & others have found consistent:

Thanks for the input (actually, I think it was your description of Miprocin in another thread that sparked my interest). I always have music when I trip because I live in a noisy, borderline neighborhood, but yeah, I'll aim for some rhythmic stuff. Probably some krautrock. I'm happy to hear the emotions are "blissfully neutral" as those are my favorite trips. The one thing that bothers me about mushrooms is the emotional whirlwind that sets in later in the trip.

Lunaria said:
How were you planning to start experimenting with it?
I'm going to start at 15 mg oral, self-test some cognitive skills (e.g. conversation, following the narrative in a film). Then, I plan to raise the dose and try to explore the deeper aspects in a dark room with some musick. I'd love to try it outside, but it's getting cold here. If all goes well, I'll probably revisit it in the spring. But yeah, I'm looking forward to your report.
 
blue_velvet said:
Alisoka said:
How were you planning to start experimenting with it?

I'm going to start at 15 mg oral, self-test some cognitive skills (e.g. conversation, following the narrative in a film). Then, I plan to raise the dose and try to explore the deeper aspects in a dark room with some musick. I'd love to try it outside, but it's getting cold here. If all goes well, I'll probably revisit it in the spring. But yeah, I'm looking forward to your report.

15 mg is a good starting point. :) I've started two friends off at that level so far; one of them found it mild but very enjoyable, and the other found it to be an intense ride but more easily controllable than many psychedelics. I hope you the experience suits you well! A good in the dark trip would be nice, I haven't gotten to have one like that yet.

I'm going to start posting some reports pretty soon. ;) There's a handful I've already uploaded around the net under various names that I would like to unite here, and a few that I haven't written reports on yet that I would like to add in as well. Expect to be seeing them soon!
 
Thank you by the way for the wonderful 4-HO-MiPT template; its side effect profile and general psychedelic effects when listed briefly are superficially nearly identical to most other synthetic tryptamines, so you've made my life very easy with adding new pages. :p
 
I took 18 mg Miprocin orally in a gel cap at night.

+0:25 Feeling a (+). Slight body load, familiar tryptamine feeling

+1:00 Rapid transition to a (++). I feel like things are going to get intense. Getting a little nervous.

+1:15 Intensity has plateaued at the (++). Feels like a low-dose of shrooms, but without any of the emotional side effects. There are mild CEVs, like a distant tapestry of sparkling water. No OEVs at all.

I'm a little more imaginative. I watch The Man With the Movie Camera and perceive social and political themes I might not pick up on otherwise.

+2:45 I'm completely down to baseline.

Overall the experience was underwhelming and incredibly short. Lately, I've come to suspect I'm a bit hard-headed for psychedelics, though I can't rule out purity issues either. I'll bump it up next time and report back.
 
I have to admit I'm very keen to try this substance and it's available to me but I'm concerned about some of the physical effects some users have reported.

On one hand I've been told it's extremely gentle on the body, then I've read around 3 reports of people experiencing a discomfort in the kidneys to the point they won't use it anymore. I've also read of a couple of instances of people overheating which is somewhat the opposite of what I expect from a tryptamine.

Has anyone experienced anything like this from responsible irregular use at safe doses?

Other than that I very much like what I have heard :)
 
+0.00 I take ~30 mg Miprocin orally in a gel cap at night.

+0:15 I'm already at a (++).

+0:30 This stuff comes on quick (+++). I experience restlessness, tremors, and a perceived shortness of breath, though I experienced these symptoms on every other tryptamine I've tried. It feels very reminiscent of psilocin, but mentally more rushed. Thoughts are coming and going faster than with LSD or shrooms. CEVs are a subdued paisley and OEVs are quite shroom-like (e.g. morphing walls, altered depth perception).

+1:00 Plateau. This is a solid trip, similar in intensity to an eighth of shrooms or couple hits of good LSD, but less complex in terms of emotional and intellectual depth. However, shrooms contain multiple alkaloids and LSD acts on about a dozen receptor sites iirc, so I can see why these synthetic tryptamines are often mixed (e.g. see Alisoka's threads in the subforum).

I got the strange urge to stand in my bathroom with the door closed and lights off and stare at my mirror in a kind of Bloody Mary style ritual. As my eyes adjusted to the dark, the silhouette of my reflection gradually came into view. I stared straight at it and began experiencing that optical effect where your vision fades from lack of eye movement. I would see nothing but those paisley visuals for a few seconds and then my shadow would pop back into focus only to disappear again. I was completely stationary, but my shadow seemed to be tilting it's head all around inquisitively. Of course, this is another well-documented optical illusion, but this time it was part of my bizarro-existentialist ritual. So kosmische.

+2:15 The effects are fading rapidly. I continue to experience the tryptamine spine shivers for a couple hours, but I am completely down mentally at about +3:00.


Overall, this is a very interesting compound. The short duration is no doubt useful, though I don't know for what. By the time you get used to the head space, it starts to wear off. I neglected to listen to music until late in the trip. I put on Saucerful of Secrets and though I felt a subtle euphoria from listening to it, I craved rhythmic structure. Next time, I'll take blue lunar light's advice and put on something with a beat.
 
blue lunar night said:
- Very cerebral/heady trip. Extreme cognitive depth, diamond clarity. Emotions are 'blissfully neutral'.
Sometimes it doesn't seem to fully click or jive with people who are on an emotional rather than mental wavelength... but brainiacs & eggheads are in for a treat !

- A distinct, high-frequency intensity.

- Extreme responsiveness to music. I always take mushrooms in silence, but in my experience Miprocin really requires an appropriate soundtrack. It is the catalyst.

Music that is vibrationally 100% positive, mystical, crisp, clean, tasteful, intelligent, sophisticated, & with a strong rhythm works best for me... in other words, the highest quality Psy-chill or Goa that you can find. The more effort you put into your playlist, the better !

- Strong synchronicity/paranormal factor. It is often quite startling, jarring, or spooky. In fact, every single trip has had what I call the Miprocin 'twist'.
Here are some examples of the 'twist' I have experienced:

I'd like to confirm these aspects. I took ~36 mg a couple nights ago with the intent to explore music. Cluster and Ozric Tentacles were great. I ended up listening to my brother-in-law's music (he's a classically trained composer), and I was getting a euphoric sensation in my spine, similar to ASMR, but qualitatively different.

The synchronistic quality presented itself when I watched some videos of my BIL's friend performing music. I've met him twice in the past three months. One video of this guy playing a flute and the other playing guitar sparked a vivid memory from about 10 years ago. The second time I ever got high, I saw a couple buskers on the street, in a city I don't live in, playing a wind instrument (a clarinet, I believe), and a guitar. It was similar music, and the guitarist's finger style playing was the same. One of them was my BIL's friend. The music they played that night was at the time the greatest music I'd ever heard. It was an experience that really stuck with me to this day, so it was quite startling to suddenly find this video. It's been screwing with my head for a few days now.

blue lunar night said:
There is a 'window' or 'portal' that appears about 75-100 minutes after ingestion. It is easy to miss, you need to be in focused meditation as the trip unfolds in order to discern it. This window lasts 15-20 minutes and going through it will take you to 'the next level'.

Could you elaborate on this? I'd like to know more.


soulfood said:
I have to admit I'm very keen to try this substance and it's available to me but I'm concerned about some of the physical effects some users have reported.

The only negative I've experienced specific to this compound is jaw tension on the comedown. There was also sinus drainage, tremors, and the urge to cough up phlegm, but I get those on LSD too, plus I'm a smoker and it's cold here. Overheating and kidney pain sounds like dehydration to me. Many people don't keep properly hydrated, but don't notice the symptoms as they are accustomed to the feeling. Psychedelics can make us uncomfortably or even painfully aware of these things (e.g. suddenly itchy or tight clothes, or IME the effects of smoking on my respiratory system).
 
I recently had an opportunity to test-drive this tryptamine. The material looks like white, slightly grey-blue, talcum powder.

Tried an initial dose of ~500 mikes, raised to 3mg as an allergy test. Before ingestion, I wasn't feeling too comfortable. After the MIPT hit, I was just feeling vasoconstriction and nervous energy, with mild tactile sensations on my skin. Oddly, small doses of 4-ho trypts seem to make me very uncomfortable, with lots of side effects.

With ~14mg orally, after eating some steamed vegetables, in small gathering of friends. I say a prayer to the material with tobacco smoke. Down the hatch, first alerts in 30 mins... comeup is very slow with food to digest. Just some light energy and a growing tingling in my belly.

We get in the hot tub, and the entactogenic qualities of the compound come alive. I'm reminded of how tight and constricted my muscles become in the winter, and the warm water is a sweet release. I'm feeling the vibrations from the MIPT, it is *similar* to psilocin, but somehow very different. It isn't opening up to the familiar dimension mushrooms bring me to, it's taking me somewhere brighter and less defined. The stimulating energy is working on me, and I'm moving around and getting in and out of the tub, running around almost naked in the snow. I didn't notice any intense euphoria, and quite often my thought-emotions would drift towards the bland, annoyed, or disgusted.

After some time in the tub, I feel like I'm cooking alive, and my belly is more and more upset. The veggies are not sitting well. I'm getting slight flashes of light-headedness, which is worrying. So I get out, and proceed to sort of bounce around inside the house, shivering and shaking, while my eyes are getting glassier and my pupils dilating.

Enough's enough, I put on some warm clothes, unsteady on my feet, and decide I just want to puke. There's visuals on the walls as I force the half-digested veggies out of my stomach half-cursing this synthetic which I just don't feel too easy about. If this were mushrooms, I'd be feeling maybe distressed in the belly but secure in my body. The MIPT energy is volatile, higher vibration than psilocin, and I just can't trust it.

After some puking, I'm feeling better in the belly but I'm shaking and jumping still. As the compound plateaus, I feel more relaxed, but continual uneasy energy is inside me. My friends voices seem loud and booming, frequently moments of intensity take me down to a level of time dilation where I'm honestly a little frightened at how deeply I'm slipping into the void. Fascinating, beautiful, but frightening.

*** Side note*** I remember listening to Sasha Shulgin talking about him and Ann staring at a clock in their kitchen, as it began to turn slower and slower. He asks, what would happen to a person in a state of near-complete time-dilation?

My friend tells me a story of being on DOC, and he would be looking at something, and his vision would telescope into it, and lead him into a sea of fractals. His friend at the time said something like, "Hey, man, don't look into those holes too hard..." ***

Ok, so I'm plateaud, and my short-term memory seems to be very short. I feel like I'm rolling on MDMA, in a tactile sort of way, and in my head, but without the incredibly good mood. I spend some time watching my friends, walking around, observing various things. My thoughts are drifting towards the spiritual, but the compound doesn't seem to want to open any modes of gnosis that all natural entheogens seem to give me. The visuals are quite pretty, perhaps colors I've never even seen before, but it's not in my attention. One moment I feel very good and euphoric, and a few moments later terrible. The pendulum of my mood kept me from getting in too bad of a spot.

We finally begin to settle down and put in The Overnight, which seemed like pure genius and amazing piece of film. I'm feeling much better as someone has their hand on my shoulder. Hugging feels absolutely amazing, the clear crystal clarity of my touch, the love for others, the mystery of our being together, it's intense, refreshing, and just right.

I'll wrap this report up now; after the movie I felt very good, I was not getting the electric tingle alerts, and now was left with pleasing tactile sensations and a more relaxed and introspective headspace. I hopped around a bit, even though it was now 2am, and felt very much in the mood for dancing. Having overcome the ferocious peak, I felt sharp and in a good mood, just as I always do with mushrooms. But mushrooms are superior in my mind. This stuff has a very mild stimulant component that mushrooms don't have, and which in these circumstances seemed unnerving. Would be good material for a music fest I feel :)

Also, despite the stimulating aspect, it was not strong enough to keep me awake all night or anything. Just called it quits at one point, lied down, and I was gone.

Timeframe: -0:10 minutes: Eat small bowl of veggies
+0:00 Take miprocin
+0:30 First alerts
+1:00 - +2:30 Ramping up
+2:30 - +4:00 Plateau
+4:00 - +7:00 Coming down
 
Easily the most social psychedelic I can imagine. Even deep trips don't seem to send the user into a headloop or send off mondo-vibes, it's quite the opposite. Seems easy enough to manifest or push to the side as needed, very user-friendly.

Massive warmth and easy on the bumpiness put this in my top psychs for sure.
 
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