69Ron Mesc extraction > HCL vs Vinegar

[cyantific]

Are there any advantages of using HCL vs acetic acid ?

 

[jdf121]

I just finished my second mesc. extraction yesterday. I used HCL this time and it worked alot better for me. Yield 656mg of 2x acetone washed Mesc. The first time I used vinegar and it came out like a waxy paste that I balled up into little tar pellets. Yield: about 500mg. Ate 250mg and noticed some effects.. The HCL salt scraped up into a slightly waxy but manageable pile. After cleaning, it is a nice powder. Haven't tested yet.

I won't salt with vinegar again, but I did only try it once.

 

[rOm]

HCL is generally tidier than vinegar.
Vinegar yield dark brown tar usually which is hard to wieght then cause it sticks to everything.

 

[cyantific]

Vinegar yield dark brown tar usually which is hard to wieght then cause it sticks to everything.

I've heard it's the other 'stuff' in vinegar which makes it turn into sticky brown goo. Using pure acetic acid instead of vinegar seems to produce a cleaner product.

 

[The Day Tripper]

I've used hcl, and it give a pretty clean product after washing with dry acetone when salting out of limo with hcl water. However, I've heard you shouldn't use hcl with limo, something about it reacting with the limo to form some kind of nasty byproduct.

In the future I plan on using vinegar or fasw, then freebase again and salt out the hcl using dry iso/acetone with the freebase mescaline in it. HCL is really where its at with mescaline for me, fumarates are cool too, but usually end up with excess fumaric acid, acetates always seem hard to dry, unless you clean them up a good deal. Hydroscobic alkaloids I'd be willing to bet, but i get that with hcl's too, they just wash up easier than acetates which are more soluble in dry alcohols used for washing.

 

[cyantific]

I've used hcl, and it give a pretty clean product after washing with dry acetone .

Why bother with dry acetone? Have you tried dissolving mesc hcl with water and adding acetone . I believe phlux introduced this method. Seems easier?

 

[The Day Tripper]

I've used hcl, and it give a pretty clean product after washing with dry acetone .

Why bother with dry acetone? Have you tried dissolving mesc hcl with water and adding acetone . I believe phlux introduced this method. Seems easier?

Definitely easier, but your going to lose some mescaline in the water. So you'll have to evap it down and save the impurities and dissolved mescaline and separate it out somehow.

For me, dry acetone (just add sodium/magnesium sulfate to your acetone) is much easier, and it only leeches a few mgs of mescaline in the washing process.

With that said, i have not tried acetone bombing yet. Prob won't either as it uses more acetone than just washing/dissolving & evapping to recrystallizing out of water/repeat. If i want nice chunky clean crystals you can always go the hot dry iso recrystallization route with the hcl. That works very well too.

 

[cyantific]

Definitely easier, but your going to lose some mescaline in the water. So you'll have to evap it down and save the impurities and dissolved mescaline and separate it out somehow.

Pardon my newbiness, but how do you lose mesc in the water? Don't the impurities drop out... leaving the washed mesc HCL behind in water/acetone mixture to evaporate?

 

[The Day Tripper]

I believe thats for tea, it bombs out the cellulose, as well as some alkaloids so you really have to bomb it again to ensure you don't lose yields in the precipitates.

I found phlux's thread where he describes the process of bombing dmt fumarate out of water/acetone, by adding excess acetone to the dmt in water to precipitate fumarates out of water once its polarity changes after adding copious amounts of acetone. Perhaps thats what i was thinking about and forgot it was for dmt fumarate & not mescaline.

Either way, its no use on extracted mescaline. Works for getting cellulose out of tea, but if your salting your mesc out of limo the cellulose will not go into the limo in the first place, so its really no use on extracts. As far as it causing the impurites to precipitate, that doesn't quite add up when acetone washes away and solublizes the impurities, they would stay in solution afaik.

 

[cyantific]

I believe thats for tea, ......

This is what I'm referring to. It's to clean up Mesc HCL

Phlux's Quick Mescaline Hcl Recrystallization tek. - Preparation - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I've heard it's the other 'stuff' in vinegar which makes it turn into sticky brown goo. Using pure acetic acid instead of vinegar seems to produce a cleaner product.

is there any way to 'clean up' some vinegar?

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I've heard it's the other 'stuff' in vinegar which makes it turn into sticky brown goo. Using pure acetic acid instead of vinegar seems to produce a cleaner product.

is there any way to 'clean up' some vinegar?

Cold, anhydrous MEK on the product yielded when using vinegar. It dissolves the impurities and other alks. I don't know of a way to clean the vinegar pre-extraction.