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I would say you're 100% wrong there, and this will start to become evident very soon.

It is NOT like MDMA. MDMA doesn't cause open and closed eye visuals, alteration of sound, etc. It's more like LSD. SWIM has already experienced effects very close to LSD, pretty much on par with it, but still unique in its own way, but light years away from being anything like MDMA at larger doses.

In the next few months as people start pushing their doses up, we’ll start seeing more reports showing true psychedelic effects.

Elemicin is a known psychedelic actually, it’s just obscure. Look at this link

[URL unfurl="true"]http://www.erowid.org/plants/nutmeg/...article1.shtml[/URL]

It says “Elemicin has displayed anti-depressant, hallucinogenic, anti-histamine, hypotensive and anti-serotonergic properties (Sangalli & Chiang 2000)”

Here’s what it says about myristicin found in nutmeg, “Myristicin is active at the 5-HT receptors in the brain, and has been shown to have hypotensive, sedative, anti-depressant, anesthetic, hallucinogenic, and serotonergic properties (Sangalli & Chiang 2001)”

So it's only a matter of dosage. Once people start testing larger doses, they will experience hallucinogenic effect from elemicin like SWIM has (and a few of his friends).

<blockquote data-quote="69ron" data-source="post: 3363235" data-attributes="member: 787">I would say you&#039;re 100% wrong there, and this will start to become evident very soon.It is NOT like MDMA. MDMA doesn&#039;t cause open and closed eye visuals, alteration of sound, etc. It&#039;s more like LSD. SWIM has already experienced effects very close to LSD, pretty much on par with it, but still unique in its own way, but light years away from being anything like MDMA at larger doses.In the next few months as people start pushing their doses up, we’ll start seeing more reports showing true psychedelic effects.Elemicin is a known psychedelic actually, it’s just obscure. Look at this link[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]http://www.erowid.org/plants/nutmeg/...article1.shtml[/URL]It says “Elemicin has displayed anti-depressant, hallucinogenic, anti-histamine, hypotensive and anti-serotonergic properties (Sangalli &amp; Chiang 2000)”Here’s what it says about myristicin found in nutmeg, “Myristicin is active at the 5-HT receptors in the brain, and has been shown to have hypotensive, sedative, anti-depressant, anesthetic, hallucinogenic, and serotonergic properties (Sangalli &amp; Chiang 2001)”So it&#039;s only a matter of dosage. Once people start testing larger doses, they will experience hallucinogenic effect from elemicin like SWIM has (and a few of his friends).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="69ron, post: 3363235, member: 787"] I would say you're 100% wrong there, and this will start to become evident very soon. It is NOT like MDMA. MDMA doesn't cause open and closed eye visuals, alteration of sound, etc. It's more like LSD. SWIM has already experienced effects very close to LSD, pretty much on par with it, but still unique in its own way, but light years away from being anything like MDMA at larger doses. In the next few months as people start pushing their doses up, we’ll start seeing more reports showing true psychedelic effects. Elemicin is a known psychedelic actually, it’s just obscure. Look at this link [URL unfurl="true"]http://www.erowid.org/plants/nutmeg/...article1.shtml[/URL] It says “Elemicin has displayed anti-depressant, [b]hallucinogenic[/b], anti-histamine, hypotensive and anti-serotonergic properties (Sangalli & Chiang 2000)” Here’s what it says about myristicin found in nutmeg, “Myristicin is active at the 5-HT receptors in the brain, and has been shown to have hypotensive, sedative, anti-depressant, anesthetic, [b]hallucinogenic[/b], and serotonergic properties (Sangalli & Chiang 2001)” So it's only a matter of dosage. Once people start testing larger doses, they will experience hallucinogenic effect from elemicin like SWIM has (and a few of his friends). [/QUOTE]