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Man, thanks for the article!

A lot of us here who have any interest in the history of Western occultism probably have some awareness of John Dee, but i for one did not know anything of his son's role as an alchemist. John Dee's life story is insane for it's twists and turns, and tragic for the losses he encountered from his experiments. I recently read Jason Louve's occult-leaning biography of him, John Dee & the Empire of Angels, which deals also in part with his role in the creation of the British Empire while in Queen Elizabeth's court and the whole immanentizing the eschaton thing, a game that some Western leaders have more or less openly engaged in since...:?:

But like the article points out:

So yeah, apparently Arthur Dee found the Philosopher's Stone, something I don't think his father ever succeeded in doing, and recorded his secret in this cipher, which the article's subject(s) de-ciphered. Cool...:thumb_up: I wish the article had some images of the pages in question, I tried looking it up (Sloane 1902) but no images online.

I guess you have to buy their book to get the formula to everlasting wealth and life...

Ideas cross-pollinate as they travel with people across spaces, yes. Tarot is a great example of seeding an idea with many others from different times and places creating a whole set of dialects within a cultural language. But divination emerges in the first place from something innate within us as humans; if all cultures were islands, all would have some form of it in use at some time, I think. I imagine they were using divination at Altamira 40,000 years ago, it is something people do, informed by a deep need to see the unseen and illumined by the light that shines through the mystery from the eternal source. Perhaps the secret is conscious and the inspiration arises separately but universally in consciousness as a way (for the secret/consciousness) to know itself across vast experiences?

Not so much Enochian Chess, but I have played with cards or runes or sticks for most of my life, since very young. I use my tarot cards regularly, and typically incorporate them into any other visionary or ritual action I may be doing as a way to open my receptivity. I think the various methods are great tools that can be translated and used on many levels, from visionary to decision-making, esoteric to psychological, and so,... yeah. All this is again kinda off topic for the OP; poor Arthur, he just can't ever get out from under that titanic shadow of his enigmatic creator of an occult language of a Dad.

<blockquote data-quote="null24" data-source="post: 3888950" data-attributes="member: 7">Man, thanks for the article!&nbsp; A lot of us here who have any interest in the history of Western occultism probably have some awareness of John Dee, but i for one did not know anything of his son&#039;s role as an alchemist. John Dee&#039;s life story is insane for it&#039;s twists and turns, and tragic for the losses he encountered from his experiments. I recently read <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/John-Dee-and-the-Empire-of-Angels/Jason-Louv/9781620555897" target="_blank">Jason Louve&#039;s occult-leaning biography of him, John Dee &amp; the Empire of Angels</a>, which deals also in part with his role in the creation of the British Empire while in Queen Elizabeth&#039;s court and the whole immanentizing the eschaton thing, a game that some Western leaders have more or less openly engaged in since...:?: But like the article points out:So yeah, apparently Arthur Dee found the Philosopher&#039;s Stone, something I don&#039;t think his father ever succeeded in doing, and recorded his secret in this cipher, which the article&#039;s subject(s) de-ciphered. Cool...:thumb_up:&nbsp; I wish the article had some images of the pages in question, I tried looking it up (Sloane 1902) but no images online. I guess you have to buy their book to get the formula to everlasting wealth and life...<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> Ideas cross-pollinate as they travel with people across spaces, yes. Tarot is a great example of seeding an idea with many others from different times and places creating a whole set of dialects within a cultural language. But divination emerges in the first place from something innate within us as humans; if all cultures were islands, all would have some form of it in use at some time, I think. I imagine they were using divination at Altamira 40,000 years ago, it is something people do, informed by a deep need to see the unseen and illumined by the light that shines through the mystery from the eternal source. Perhaps the secret is conscious and the inspiration arises separately but universally in consciousness as a way (for the secret/consciousness) to know itself across vast experiences? Not so much Enochian Chess, but I have played with cards or runes or sticks for most of my life, since very young. I use my tarot cards regularly, and typically incorporate them into any other visionary or ritual action I may be doing as a way to open my receptivity. I think the various methods are great tools that can be translated and used on many levels, from visionary to decision-making, esoteric to psychological, and so,... yeah. All this is again kinda off topic for the OP; poor Arthur, he just can&#039;t ever get out from under that titanic shadow of his enigmatic creator of an occult language of a Dad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="null24, post: 3888950, member: 7"] Man, thanks for the article! A lot of us here who have any interest in the history of Western occultism probably have some awareness of [b][i]John[/i][/b] Dee, but i for one did not know anything of his son's role as an alchemist. John Dee's life story is insane for it's twists and turns, and tragic for the losses he encountered from his experiments. I recently read [url=https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/John-Dee-and-the-Empire-of-Angels/Jason-Louv/9781620555897]Jason Louve's occult-leaning biography of him, [i]John Dee & the Empire of Angels[/i][/url], which deals also in part with his role in the creation of the British Empire while in Queen Elizabeth's court and the whole [i]immanentizing the eschaton[/i] thing, a game that some Western leaders have more or less openly engaged in since...:?: [i]But like the article points out:[/i] So yeah, apparently [i][b]Arthur [/b][/i]Dee found the Philosopher's Stone, something I don't think his father ever succeeded in doing, and recorded his secret in this cipher, which the article's subject(s) de-ciphered. Cool...:thumb_up: I wish the article had some images of the pages in question, I tried looking it up (Sloane 1902) but no images online. I guess you have to buy their book to get the formula to everlasting wealth and life...:p Ideas cross-pollinate as they travel with people across spaces, yes. Tarot is a great example of seeding an idea with many others from different times and places creating a whole set of dialects within a cultural language. But divination emerges in the first place from something innate within us as humans; if all cultures were islands, all would have some form of it in use at some time, I think. I imagine they were using divination at Altamira 40,000 years ago, it is something people do, informed by a deep need to see the unseen and illumined by the light that shines through the mystery from the eternal source. Perhaps the [i]secret[/i] is conscious and the inspiration arises separately but universally in conscious[i]ness[/i] as a way (for the secret/consciousness) to know itself across vast experiences? Not so much Enochian Chess, but I have played with cards or runes or sticks for most of my life, since very young. I use my tarot cards regularly, and typically incorporate them into any other visionary or ritual action I may be doing as a way to open my receptivity. I think the various methods are great tools that can be translated and used on many levels, from visionary to decision-making, esoteric to psychological, and so,... yeah. All this is again kinda off topic for the OP; [i]poor [/i]Arthur, he just can't ever get out from under that titanic shadow of his enigmatic creator of an occult language of a Dad. [/QUOTE]