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DrunkyDaBear

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hi.. okay, i got my lye yesterday, and started in on it this morning.. instead of using the whole 1/2 lb i decided to use 1/4 lb at a time.. i used 8 tablespoons of lye, and 1725 ml water.. dissolved that, put in the bark.. mixed it very very thoroughly.. waited a few hours and it all settled out.. added my 125 ml naptha, and stirred it up for about ten minutes, nice and slow, no splashing or shaking.. the problem is, it doesnt look like the naptha even went into the lye solution, because as much as i would stir it, as soon as i stopped, it was already seperated.. i did this a few times with the same result.. finally i did one more stir and let it sit for an hour, then siphoned off the naptha.. the naptha is perfectly clear still.. is that normal? i always hear it has a reddish/pink tint to it.. anyway, i filled up one mason jar with the naptha solution for a freeze precip, its in the freeze now, and the other half i put in a pyrex baking dish for evap.. im gonna see which one (if any) works best for me.. any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks!!!
 
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well HE tried that, and yes, it did mix up wayyyyyyy better.. he did 3 pulls before, by stirring the naptha in the lye mix in a big pyrex pitcher.. he wanted to use a bottle originally but his baster wont fit into the neck.. he's just gonna be real careful and pour it off.. this pull should pick up alot of the remaining alkaloids.. but the first pulls dont look two bad, two of the jars have been in the freezer for 3-4 hours and already have quite a bit of white on the bottom of the jars.. i dunno what would be considered alot.. how long do you recommend freeze perciping? the tek says go to sleep and itll be ready, so 8 hours i assume? thanks for the killer advice noman :D
 
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just for kicks, he pulled a jar out of the freeze, with quite a bit of white residue on the bottom, and shook it, to kind of loosen them, and poured it thru a coffee filter.. he saw nothing at all on the filter, and all of what i assume is the good stuff, stayed in the bottom of the jar.. it had a yellow tint to it, and moments later, it turned into the dreaded yellow oil.. he obviously screwed up somewhere.. he saved the filters, and the naptha just in case anything can be salvaged .. its not even really an oil, it seems thinner than that.. he's gonna let it sit and evap and maybe something will come of it..
 
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Once the naptha is seperated from the alkali DMT solution, before it is put into the freezer, it can help to evaporate the Naptha down to about 1/2 or 1/3 the quantity that was started with. This will help ensure the solution is supersaturated when it goes into the freezer. The Naptha should look perfectly clear until evaporated down. Once it gets to about 1/3 what it was it may just start going a little cloudy. This is the point where cooling it in the freezer (or perhaps the fridge first then the freezer if you want bigger crystals) will make most of the DMT fall out of solution. If there are really nice looking crystals that dissapear completely as soon as they are seperated from the naptha then these may be ice crystals that melt when warmed up. This can be frustrating. To avoid this the naptha must be sealed at the top with cling film or something to stop bits of ice falling in from the freezer and to stop condensation forming in the container when the naptha is removed from the freezer. I know one guy who did the evaporation down to 1/3 with the naptha until it went cloudy and then stuck the stuff straight in the freezer. The DMT crystals formed so quickly that they were tiny and stayed in suspension rather than crystalising out on the bottom of the container. If cooled more slowly (fridge then freezer) larger crystals will form which stick to the inside of the container and can then be scrapped off the bottom more easily than having to mess with coffee filters. If done this way a flat bottomed glass baking tray can be better than a jar because it has more surface area for quick evaporation down to a 3rd, and if the crystals stick to the bottom it is easier to use a tool to scrape them off.
 
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that does make alotta sense.. its prolly much easier to deal with it that way.. thanks for the good advice :) i took noman's advice, and did the end over end, that made ALL the difference in the world, plus i let the jar sit in there for much longer.. they aint shittin when they say it looks like a snow globe hahaha... i didnt get too awful much, but with this next 1/4 lb im sure the yeild will be much bigger now that my technique is refined, thanks to yall :) :) :)
 
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" i used 8 tablespoons of lye, and 1725 ml water.. dissolved that, put in the bark" Swim has a question on this stage himself, .... should the NaOH heat the solution and then (WHILE HOT) quicky add the MHRB- or should it be fully dessolved- Cool off, and then add the MHRB?
 
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[quote:e03231ccb7]Swim has a question on this stage himself, .... should the NaOH heat the solution and then (WHILE HOT) quicky add the MHRB- or should it be fully dessolved- Cool off, and then add the MHRB?[/quote:e03231ccb7] the way i understand it is to heat it after its mixed together. helps 'loosen' the dmt from the bark -my cat's yet to do an extraction, but knows this from what he's read.
 
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[quote:6143f299d0="PrOtAgErUs"]" i used 8 tablespoons of lye, and 1725 ml water.. dissolved that, put in the bark" Swim has a question on this stage himself, .... should the NaOH heat the solution and then (WHILE HOT) quicky add the MHRB- or should it be fully dessolved- Cool off, and then add the MHRB?[/quote:6143f299d0] that's an excellent question. depending on the answer, could explain some poor yields in the past.
 
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