Dug
Rising Star
The necessity for this thread rose from a previous one, an account of one experience I had, titled ~HOME~, in the Philosophy/Spirituality/Science subforum. To go to the original thread click >here<.
However, after some responses, the scope of this thread has exceeded its boundaries, and a more important subject came into play. So I'm starting this one to properly facilitate this truly amazingly interesting conversation. It is in such places, with such conversers as us, that matters like these come to play.
Please read the original thread, only a page long, before proceeding further into the rabbit hole...
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Thank you for your answers, friends. I really do think that DMT can facilitate a connection with a higher state of consciousness. Like someone else once said, it's like dressing ourselves in the mental furniture of our future..
@Saidin: Your signature rings a bell within me, dude, this is what I was walking about. Awesome, truly.
@DMTtripn2Space: I remember you, man. From This!
@wake and bacon, balaganist: Niiice vibes...
@burnt: No offence taken, man. How could I be offended by a fellow explorer expressing his views?
Allow me however to disagree with you, and seize this opportunity to bring this matter forward for all of us to discuss a little more. I'm sure we're going to have some wonderful conversations on subjects not encountered every day. Please keep in mind that although I use your response (and Morphane's) as a launching pad, this is a matter transcending you and me, and this is why I'm opening it up for elaboration in a new thread. Thank you for your response.
I'm afraid that although you express a respectable opinion about the attitude we should adopt when it comes to mind altering substances, you're missing something. Let me elaborate.
Whether the experiences we have under the influence of such substances have any validity in them or not, is not the basis of my disagreement. What I want to talk about is the attitude we should keep towards new ideas.
It seems to me that the only rule there is to this game, is that there is no idea too strange, no hypothesis too far fetched. Although extremely difficult, we should always keep an open mind when it comes to pioneering thoughts and theories. The only thing we should always recognize, is the sacred privilege of any idea to have a place upon the table of consideration, and to know that the universe is probably "stranger than we can suppose".
I mean, c'mon, mates, look over your shoulder: where has this way of thinking taken us so far? Isn't it obvious after all this time that we've done something wrong? Hasn't it become crystal clear yet that hard headed skepticism is a completely different thing than constructive criticism?
It's a great responsibility that has been bestowed upon us now. To keep our eyes open. To keep our minds open. To dismiss the dismisser within our consciousness. This is what this place is about, or at least so I hope. An opportunity for everyone to exchange strange, bizarre ideas!
Inevitably quoting again, we're headed towards a stone wall on a hundred miles per hour, and the only way to avoid being smashed against our own concrete paradigm is to think new, and think FAST.
How come you can so easily dismiss a new idea -which is only that; an idea- that someone had during a psychedelic voyage, but remain so attached to a world view that others had taught you, without you even having the necessary logic to process it yet?
How come you ask me what makes me think that the reality I perceive while under the influence of DMT is more real or closer to the truth than the reality I have evolved to survive in, while perhaps the only common ground of thought we share is that our current perception of the cosmos, the way we now function in our everyday lives, is not the way we should?
Isn't it obvious that the lack of new ideas, or rather our damned obsession to stick to ideas that we have grown with and dismiss everything else radically new, has brought this society to the bring of catastrophy?
This is why we can no longer call any idea crazy just because it seems so to our already established beliefs -Morphane-. This is why we can no longer talk about "the end" of things and concepts that we have not yet depleted, like the end of spiritualism -Burnt mate-. There is no validity left any more to the age-old motto that "a man has to have a code"... A HUMAN, now, has to have an open mind! NOT a castle of concrete beliefs around him!
I'm sure you'll agree with me, mates, when I say that now there must be a new way, a new approach, that NOW we know better:
Just next to our tried and trusted bullshit detectors that helped us so many times down this road, we now have to keep our newly acquired set of eyes: those of a child that looks the wonders of this world for the first time. And the riddle we must now solve is standing right in front of us and staring us to the face: to figure out how to balance these two forces, these two ways of thinking.
There is no honor left any more for the one who manages to convince himself that HIS world view, his paradigm is the correct one. These are the leftovers of a society long ago proven wrong.
YOU should now. WE should now. WE are the epitome of nature's technological advancement, folks. NOBODY else is going to flirt with such radical ideas, no one else is going to risk being called a romantic fool just to coin a new possibility of the way things are.
It is WE, the psychedelic community -and you know by now that I don't mean just the people using psychedelic compounds- that this era has called forth to make the next step. Think about it! Can you honestly feel all right relying to a bunch of hard headed fools trying to solve the mysteries of the universe by ignoring half of it to deliver you safely to the next evolutional plateau??
We don't now what's coming after the bent, mates. We live in a society that's trying to reach the stars by hurling metallic cans filled with fuel towards the Alpha Centauri. Metallic cans, for crying out loud.. Filled with fossil fuels! And little dudes in white suites! How can we expect to discover the secrets of the cosmos like this??? How can we ever expect to revel and cheer one day under our newly found truth, when as a society we can't even figure the way to reach the limits of our own solar system?
The way out is within, blades. It is the mind that transcends, not the body. Not the petty burnable substances that we furiously dig from our soil. Not the matter. And definitely not our stone hard logic! Call an idea intriguing instead of crazy! Call a new belief different instead of false! Call an altered state of consciousness new ground, instead of chemical chaos!! Call a psychedelic revelation "a credible possibility" , instead of "a meaningless mind game". For, after all, what the hell do we really know? Who said that bipedal mammals should be able to bear the meaning of the cosmos inside their brains? Let's humble ourselves and try to figure this out like we should:
With curiosity, respect, dignity and awesome, incredibly relieving cosmic humor! The cosmos is a joker, mates, and we have to borrow his lightness to be able to bear the truths that lie ahead of us. Lightness. Not stone solid all-knowing hard-headedness. These are traits of a generation that had it's turn and brought us that far. From now on it is we that must transcend to the next level. With a new attitude. With a new set of eyes..
And what better way to close than the words of a truly original joker? I couldn't have said it better.
"We were here before in the '60s... And when they came with machine guns we just melted into the woodwork, nobody was ready for that, so now there must be a new strategy by stealth, by worming from within, we're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating and taking over because it's our world and our children's world and we're not going to see it run over the edge by a bunch of constipated gentlemen -- that's not the plan."
~RIP TmK.
See you out there...
~Dug.
PS: As this is my first big post in this forum, let me excuse myself for being carried away as usual within an otherwise casual conversation. I've been invited (from Grasscity) to this community by a friend and a member of it -thanks Mr Mojo-, and I'm really thankful that such a group still exists. I can't even start to contemplate the great things I've discovered here from your writings, guys. Thank you. Really. No, really... Thanks.
However, after some responses, the scope of this thread has exceeded its boundaries, and a more important subject came into play. So I'm starting this one to properly facilitate this truly amazingly interesting conversation. It is in such places, with such conversers as us, that matters like these come to play.
Please read the original thread, only a page long, before proceeding further into the rabbit hole...
*************************************************
Thank you for your answers, friends. I really do think that DMT can facilitate a connection with a higher state of consciousness. Like someone else once said, it's like dressing ourselves in the mental furniture of our future..
@Saidin: Your signature rings a bell within me, dude, this is what I was walking about. Awesome, truly.
@DMTtripn2Space: I remember you, man. From This!
@wake and bacon, balaganist: Niiice vibes...
@burnt: No offence taken, man. How could I be offended by a fellow explorer expressing his views?
Allow me however to disagree with you, and seize this opportunity to bring this matter forward for all of us to discuss a little more. I'm sure we're going to have some wonderful conversations on subjects not encountered every day. Please keep in mind that although I use your response (and Morphane's) as a launching pad, this is a matter transcending you and me, and this is why I'm opening it up for elaboration in a new thread. Thank you for your response.
I'm afraid that although you express a respectable opinion about the attitude we should adopt when it comes to mind altering substances, you're missing something. Let me elaborate.
Whether the experiences we have under the influence of such substances have any validity in them or not, is not the basis of my disagreement. What I want to talk about is the attitude we should keep towards new ideas.
It seems to me that the only rule there is to this game, is that there is no idea too strange, no hypothesis too far fetched. Although extremely difficult, we should always keep an open mind when it comes to pioneering thoughts and theories. The only thing we should always recognize, is the sacred privilege of any idea to have a place upon the table of consideration, and to know that the universe is probably "stranger than we can suppose".
I mean, c'mon, mates, look over your shoulder: where has this way of thinking taken us so far? Isn't it obvious after all this time that we've done something wrong? Hasn't it become crystal clear yet that hard headed skepticism is a completely different thing than constructive criticism?
It's a great responsibility that has been bestowed upon us now. To keep our eyes open. To keep our minds open. To dismiss the dismisser within our consciousness. This is what this place is about, or at least so I hope. An opportunity for everyone to exchange strange, bizarre ideas!
Inevitably quoting again, we're headed towards a stone wall on a hundred miles per hour, and the only way to avoid being smashed against our own concrete paradigm is to think new, and think FAST.
How come you can so easily dismiss a new idea -which is only that; an idea- that someone had during a psychedelic voyage, but remain so attached to a world view that others had taught you, without you even having the necessary logic to process it yet?
How come you ask me what makes me think that the reality I perceive while under the influence of DMT is more real or closer to the truth than the reality I have evolved to survive in, while perhaps the only common ground of thought we share is that our current perception of the cosmos, the way we now function in our everyday lives, is not the way we should?
Isn't it obvious that the lack of new ideas, or rather our damned obsession to stick to ideas that we have grown with and dismiss everything else radically new, has brought this society to the bring of catastrophy?
This is why we can no longer call any idea crazy just because it seems so to our already established beliefs -Morphane-. This is why we can no longer talk about "the end" of things and concepts that we have not yet depleted, like the end of spiritualism -Burnt mate-. There is no validity left any more to the age-old motto that "a man has to have a code"... A HUMAN, now, has to have an open mind! NOT a castle of concrete beliefs around him!
I'm sure you'll agree with me, mates, when I say that now there must be a new way, a new approach, that NOW we know better:
Just next to our tried and trusted bullshit detectors that helped us so many times down this road, we now have to keep our newly acquired set of eyes: those of a child that looks the wonders of this world for the first time. And the riddle we must now solve is standing right in front of us and staring us to the face: to figure out how to balance these two forces, these two ways of thinking.
There is no honor left any more for the one who manages to convince himself that HIS world view, his paradigm is the correct one. These are the leftovers of a society long ago proven wrong.
YOU should now. WE should now. WE are the epitome of nature's technological advancement, folks. NOBODY else is going to flirt with such radical ideas, no one else is going to risk being called a romantic fool just to coin a new possibility of the way things are.
It is WE, the psychedelic community -and you know by now that I don't mean just the people using psychedelic compounds- that this era has called forth to make the next step. Think about it! Can you honestly feel all right relying to a bunch of hard headed fools trying to solve the mysteries of the universe by ignoring half of it to deliver you safely to the next evolutional plateau??
We don't now what's coming after the bent, mates. We live in a society that's trying to reach the stars by hurling metallic cans filled with fuel towards the Alpha Centauri. Metallic cans, for crying out loud.. Filled with fossil fuels! And little dudes in white suites! How can we expect to discover the secrets of the cosmos like this??? How can we ever expect to revel and cheer one day under our newly found truth, when as a society we can't even figure the way to reach the limits of our own solar system?
The way out is within, blades. It is the mind that transcends, not the body. Not the petty burnable substances that we furiously dig from our soil. Not the matter. And definitely not our stone hard logic! Call an idea intriguing instead of crazy! Call a new belief different instead of false! Call an altered state of consciousness new ground, instead of chemical chaos!! Call a psychedelic revelation "a credible possibility" , instead of "a meaningless mind game". For, after all, what the hell do we really know? Who said that bipedal mammals should be able to bear the meaning of the cosmos inside their brains? Let's humble ourselves and try to figure this out like we should:
With curiosity, respect, dignity and awesome, incredibly relieving cosmic humor! The cosmos is a joker, mates, and we have to borrow his lightness to be able to bear the truths that lie ahead of us. Lightness. Not stone solid all-knowing hard-headedness. These are traits of a generation that had it's turn and brought us that far. From now on it is we that must transcend to the next level. With a new attitude. With a new set of eyes..
And what better way to close than the words of a truly original joker? I couldn't have said it better.
"We were here before in the '60s... And when they came with machine guns we just melted into the woodwork, nobody was ready for that, so now there must be a new strategy by stealth, by worming from within, we're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating and taking over because it's our world and our children's world and we're not going to see it run over the edge by a bunch of constipated gentlemen -- that's not the plan."
~RIP TmK.
See you out there...
~Dug.
PS: As this is my first big post in this forum, let me excuse myself for being carried away as usual within an otherwise casual conversation. I've been invited (from Grasscity) to this community by a friend and a member of it -thanks Mr Mojo-, and I'm really thankful that such a group still exists. I can't even start to contemplate the great things I've discovered here from your writings, guys. Thank you. Really. No, really... Thanks.
- is to "separate the wheat from the chaff". He is a guardian of the "old", who makes sure that the "new" is something that really can be matched with and integrated into (perhaps onto) the old. Without such people, we wouldn't be forced to rethink, reformulate our ideas again and again, until they find a form that can really work, a form that is real (in the sense that it's compatible with current reality, therefore not rejected by it).
