ABDUCTED

[ghettohmbrglr]

This morning I had my third DMT experience (second breakthrough.) It was from my own extraction which i did a couple weeks ago now. It was mostly very pure crystals but there was a small section (.5g out of 2.5 total) of "yellow goo" and i decided i should try this part and see its effects. I waited for the house to be empty then I weighed out .038g into my GVG. I set my intentions. "Entity Contact." is all i wanted to get out of this trip. I had been planning this out all night since I was at work at the end of a 60 hour week I thought it would be good to reward myself since I still haven't had much chance to try out my product. In hindsight this isn't a good reason to do DMT. I knew as I started lighting the bowl that it wasn't right.

Anyways, I cleared it in one hit (first time i've even tried) and broke through before I even exhaled. Immediately, grey alien figures hovering over me and images of Jesters. All very stereotypical, I know. This turned out to make the experience even scarier. I was able to remember that I had smoked DMT and I was one of those guys who thought he could never have a bad trip since I am really good about reminding myself that I am drugs. That doesn't matter with DMT tho because.. well as you all know the experience is real. I was there because I smoked DMT. I had given myself to them. and they had me until it was over. Their only goal was to induce fear in me. In the back of my mind I knew it would be over soon and I would come back but their techniques worked very well. They could put whatever emotion they wanted into me and they were having a good time watching me on "fear."

Throughout the trip they literally projected the word "FEAR" into my mind what was probably every 10 seconds or so, in a most menacing tone. The visuals alone probably would not have been scary but combined with the emotions I was experiencing it was absolutely horrific. The color theme was black/purple/green and some yellow.

When I got back I was shaking, I felt violated, I wanted to cry. I said to myself I would never do this again and I would never tell anyone they should. This puts me in an awkward spot because I have been preaching about DMT to friends and some family all week and have made plans to do it with many of them. I had convinced my sister to try it but I didn't exactly go into detail about how I believe the experience could be real. I could no longer in good conscience have her try it unless she is prepared for the worst. I would never want her to go through what I did.. So I decided to be open with her and tell her what I believe I went through. She doesn't believe me but I didn't expect her too. She is willing to try it and see for herself even after hearing about my trip but i've told her not to go into it unless she believes she could handle believing she was abducted by aliens. There is now much less of a rush for me to have her try this and we will wait for the perfect time, whether that's in a week or a month or a year.

More or less that's what this thread is about. How do I go back there after a bad trip? How can I recommend this to those I love after it's turned on me so violently? I am conflicted.

 

[hadoq]

Hi, first off, I write from my butt here since I haven't have the experience myself yet.
however, many wounds heal with just time. I have no idea how profound you have been wounded, I can only extrapolate.

But from an outsider's point of view, and in an attempt to use a related word, I'd say you may want to take time to integrate your experience. Hold back on your friends or do just as you did with your sister.

Deep within, I believe that you still believe it's an experience worth living. Would you go back to your life before? I don't have the answer but maybe it is important for you to ask yourself this question first.

Despite what you went through, would you take it all back?

Be convincing and true with your friend, describe how horrible the experience can be, inform them, educate them, then let them choose.

Maybe, I don't know, maybe, before your bad experience, you were a little enthusiastic, maybe you lost some of the respect you initially had for it. You wanted people to share your happiness and newly found state of mind.

But as life itself, everything in it has ups and downs, and surely, I believe that this kind of experience should probably be something to really think about and consider, both good and bad. Then you want to feel, deep within, that you want it.

This feeling should not come from a friend's enthusiast, but from within yourself, in the very end. Maybe it's a good thing you talk to many people about the experience and what it did for you, but now you can truly educate them about how this has to be taken very seriously.

I don't have the answers, I know nothing of the experience, but maybe you don't have the objectivity, quite right this moment, to ask yourself the questions that will make you move forward dealing with this very personal and complex issue (happiness for yourself, guilt for having talking people into it, fear about what's beyond and how it may hurt your loved ones, love for your friends as you want them to experience your own state of bliss resulting from several positive experiences etc... very basic levers of our life, love, fear, happiness, guilt)

You have all the answers, distance yourself from your experience (as much as you can), it may take some time and maybe clear headed meditation, come back to it with a fresher mind. until then, just talk to your friends and put the whole thing on hold unless you're confident that your willing friends have made their own personal decision about it.

 

[3rdI]

The Magic will sometimes kick you in the nuts, this is a given.

you entered into this experience on a downward slope, you were tired, dont have much experience, loaded up a large dose and went into the experience on a bit of a wobble, these things add up. Its not unusual to get a necky journey when the set up isnt right.

I understand that you are concerned about giving the Magic to friends incase they have a similar experience, but this can be a good way to refine your approach, everything that wasnt right should be turned on its head. When the time comes make sure that everyone is rested and in a good mood, inform them that there is a lot of info here and that they might want to read through some threads to get a glimpse of what might happen, start with smaller doses, giving someone 38mg in a GVG first time (or 3rd time) is a recipe for a bad time.

make the set up perfect, location, time of day, decoration, lighting, music, comfy spots to collapse in, food, drink, bucket, cover every eventuality.

i am much more concerned about screwing up my friends than i am myself, if i vape 70mg in my GVG and come out traumatised then its my own stoooopid fault, but if i did it to one of my friends i would be devastated.

id recomend you take some smaller doses if you want to continue exploring the madness, starting at 10mg and working your way up in 5mg increments, this is a tried and tested method to get comfitable with the experience. i would take them before you introduce anyone else, if you can become settled with the experience then you will do a much better job at facilitating others, you dont want the others to pick up on your negatives vibes, maaaan.

 

[Gowpen]

This morning I had my third DMT experience (second breakthrough.) It was from my own extraction which i did a couple weeks ago now. It was mostly very pure crystals but there was a small section (.5g out of 2.5 total) of "yellow goo" and i decided i should try this part and see its effects. I waited for the house to be empty then I weighed out .038g into my GVG. I set my intentions. "Entity Contact." is all i wanted to get out of this trip. I had been planning this out all night since I was at work at the end of a 60 hour week I thought it would be good to reward myself since I still haven't had much chance to try out my product. In hindsight this isn't a good reason to do DMT. I knew as I started lighting the bowl that it wasn't right.

Anyways, I cleared it in one hit (first time i've even tried) and broke through before I even exhaled. Immediately, grey alien figures hovering over me and images of Jesters. All very stereotypical, I know. This turned out to make the experience even scarier. I was able to remember that I had smoked DMT and I was one of those guys who thought he could never have a bad trip since I am really good about reminding myself that I am drugs. That doesn't matter with DMT tho because.. well as you all know the experience is real. I was there because I smoked DMT. I had given myself to them. and they had me until it was over. Their only goal was to induce fear in me. In the back of my mind I knew it would be over soon and I would come back but their techniques worked very well. They could put whatever emotion they wanted into me and they were having a good time watching me on "fear."

Throughout the trip they literally projected the word "FEAR" into my mind what was probably every 10 seconds or so, in a most menacing tone. The visuals alone probably would not have been scary but combined with the emotions I was experiencing it was absolutely horrific. The color theme was black/purple/green and some yellow.

When I got back I was shaking, I felt violated, I wanted to cry. I said to myself I would never do this again and I would never tell anyone they should. This puts me in an awkward spot because I have been preaching about DMT to friends and some family all week and have made plans to do it with many of them. I had convinced my sister to try it but I didn't exactly go into detail about how I believe the experience could be real. I could no longer in good conscience have her try it unless she is prepared for the worst. I would never want her to go through what I did.. So I decided to be open with her and tell her what I believe I went through. She doesn't believe me but I didn't expect her too. She is willing to try it and see for herself even after hearing about my trip but i've told her not to go into it unless she believes she could handle believing she was abducted by aliens. There is now much less of a rush for me to have her try this and we will wait for the perfect time, whether that's in a week or a month or a year.

More or less that's what this thread is about. How do I go back there after a bad trip? How can I recommend this to those I love after it's turned on me so violently? I am conflicted.

In MHO You Cannot recomend DMT to a friend, or try and convince one to do DMT, and should not. Its not really a recreational substance as you have discovered. Perhaps telling them about it and truthfully interperating your experiences to them may allow them to decide for themselves. Sites like the Nexus are for those people. It will do nothing more than to justify your own actions. Its like saying "hey.... Do as I do"
Dont 'Preach' as you put it........


It was said a long while ago, but there is only one emotion, and it is fear.
it is also a VERY good teacher.
"quote, but combined with the emotions I was experiencing.............
What emotions ? there is your message I think........
Keep up the good work, It's all good.

Kind Regards G

 

[darklordsson]

There is no going back, there is only forward and up, skys no longer the limit...

 

[beacon]

forwards into growth or backwards into comfort?

 

[ghettohmbrglr]

thank you guys for taking the time to hear me out. none of the advice given is taken lightly.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

It's powerful stuff. Why did you want to make contact with entities? Did you have something you wanted to ask them? Were you simply curious? Be careful what we ask for. :shock:

I think many of us have dealt with difficult experiences. The few of my difficult experiences came months after mostly positive experience, and a few "WTF was that!? - not good, not bad, just uhhhhh.... hmm" So I can imagine that this early scare may have left an impression.

If you can, try not to let this hinder you if you choose to proceed. I argue that the potential benefits for personal growth can outweigh the difficult times, but that's my own opinion. Everyone is different. It may not be for you, and that's ok.

 

[ghettohmbrglr]

alright a little update for anyone interested.

i ended up sharing the experience with a couple friends, but decided not to let my sister take the plunge just yet. may sound cheesy but it was more of an insightful revalation type deal rather than my own conscious decision. what happened is i had took a tab of good lsd and drank some potent cannabis coconut milk i made before going to a "today is the day" concert.. what happened during the show is something i can only label as a "breakthrough" i was in a state of musical bliss and i closed my eyes and was greeted by an endless sea of pink geometry, and off to the side was this sphere made of rotating colums of text/symbols. each row rotating in opposite directions. probably 10 columns of text and at any given time i could make out 30-50 perfectly detailed symbols. i hope i described this alright i have done much more lsd than the single hit i took before the show and have NEVER had CEV's anywhere close to that detailed. it was like a pink hyperspace. no other way to describe it. it was this moment that it came to me that my sister is not ready for DMT.. whether her experience ended up being good or bad it could throw her off the track she is on (college student) and that just wouldn't be good.. not something i'd want to live with. i've given her some information and if she decides to pursue it further and research it on her own then i will know she is ready. just not gonna push it on anyone anymore but i will be happy to share my experiences to anyone who wants to listen.

again, thank you all.

 

[Jin]

there is a thread " why you should not take DMT " Why you should NOT take DMT - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

this should be a necessary reading for everyone you introduce to DMT , the consequences are very real ,

there is really no turning back once this path is taken , and this path will not lead you to the movies , concerts , t.v shows , clubs , parties and the like , sure you might go to these places yet DMT will not take you there

DMT is a door to the mystery , a path to infinity , the void of the soul

if eternity is where you want to go , then this is the path
yet when you feel eternity , you'll know of eternal joy and pain
the weight of God's eternal soul may crush anyone
you might realize whatever you wanted in life is not important
you might realize that even your life is not important

if walking into the oblivion is your way go ahead , don't let anything hold you back , for there is never a "back" , for you have tasted eternity now

you'll now know what the ever burning Soul is
you'll feel its pain , its joy , its love beyond any measure
tears will roll as you laugh and cry at the same
insanity and sanity will leave to give way to realization

and the ground beneath the feet will turn to air
you might fall or float at this stage where the ground has disappeared but that is up to you and you alone

peace be with you , and don't worry about lingering feelings from this trip , within 3 weeks all the negativity goes away if the experience has left you a little shaken and after that you might feel like you've never smoked DMT

untill you choose to open the door again

 

[HippingTrippY]

Ghettohmbrglr,
I know the feeling of DMT fueled eternal fear very well. Reading your experience is like Deja Vu. Set and Setting are important. I have heard it said and believe it to be so that there are two emotions, fear and love. "they are two ends of the same stick" My 1st nn-DMT/jungle spice experience generated a whole heck of alot of "Oh shit what have I done, willingly going into this." I surrendered to it and chanted "Aum mane padme hum" It's some buddhist stuff in a language I don't know but believe it to mean something akin to "The all is a lotus blooming in my heart".
I have yet to see a female have a bad trip on this and when my baby sister hit it she was like YEAGH! and choogled it all until it was gone. I don't believe anything other than DMT can prepare one for DMT so I like that advice above about start small and work your way up. You mentioned that your extraction yielded 2 very different LOOKING results. Sounds like you may have learned the hard way not to assume to do the same amount on the first time as the fluffy stuff. I have seen more than 1 trip report from the MOST experienced of members doing 15 mgs. of something and having a way intensely dark experience. Calls for chromatograpy column testing to see if this may be 5meo NMT or just what the heck is jungle spice?
DMT is not a "drug" Keep us posted if these entities say anything. Remember no government authorities are going to know how to help you if the entities begin showing up on your jobsite insisting on break time anal probes.


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