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i had a great time doing q21q21's tek this week. ive used it before but haven't tried it since its been updated. one thing i tried this time was a gradule cooling to precipitate. im pretty happy with the extra time and effort as they are the whitest and fluffiest crystals ive ever made or seen! im trying to post pics but having troubles....

any ways... i noticed one thing i wish wasnt happening after evaporation. theres a sticky tacky layer on the pyrex dish under the crystals. if you scrape presssed up against the glass as if your scraping a sticker off a window this gooey layer builds up on the razorblade and mucks up all my nice fluffy white crystals.

i discovered that if i run the razor over the gently kind of back dragging i could get the crystal separated and leave most the stickyness.

my questions are, what is this stickyness and is it avoidable with this tek? is humidity a factor?
i have a theory i was discussing with idtraveler today that the condensation on the ice cold glass tray is causing this shmeggy film.

even though i take precautions not to allow any condenstaion droplets to run into the drying crystals it still beads up right where they are stuck. any thoughts?

this pretty pile is from 3x125 ml naptha pulls using 125 grams of mhrb. still have 3 new pulls in the cooling. looks promising.
 

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It likely isn't humidity. Most of the time there will be drops, or a film of what SWIM think is jungle DMT or DMT-n-oxide.

He did tests and confirmed (at least to himself) that naptha dissolves jungle DMT, though very small amounts. The resultant film is soluble in vinegar so it doesn't seem to be plant fats but more likely jungle DMT. Another reason SWIM thinks so is that when everything in the freezer precipitation container is dissolved in vinegar it is very yellow and when concentrated is orange-red in the same shade but lighter than his jimjam-vinegar tincture.

Not really sure how to avoid this, but SWIM will update his tek and add a note of this common occurrence.
 
q21q21 said:
It likely isn't humidity. Most of the time there will be drops, or a film of what SWIM think is jungle DMT or DMT-n-oxide.
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thank you that makes a lot of sense. i think i made matters worse in my final 3 washes though. i rinsed out the sticky leftovers with the warm naphtha in the last couple pulls. one of these is done drying and i can see from a distance the amount of the jungle stickiness is 2-3X more than before. i wasn't able to get the crystals separated :( bummer!

maybe i should do a jungle extraction with these to sticky pulls. is that possible at this stage?
 
State of the Mind said:
That looks like a good quality yield you have there.

Please post your final yield when you have finished the extraction. :d
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will do, just got my new mg scale. so far the pile of fluffiness weighed 1.2 grams. it looks like 3 grams though!!!
 
olympus mon said:
so far the pile of fluffiness weighed 1.2 grams. it looks like 3 grams though!!!
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Thats a good 1% yield so far then. I think 3 grams is a little bit ambitious. That would be OVER 2% Yield!!!

But anyhow, good luck. :d
 
State of the Mind said:
olympus mon said:
so far the pile of fluffiness weighed 1.2 grams. it looks like 3 grams though!!!
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Thats a good 1% yield so far then. I think 3 grams is a little bit ambitious. That would be OVER 2% Yield!!!

But anyhow, good luck. :d
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i mean because it was so fluffy it looks like 3 grams not that i think it will be 3 grams.

that would be rad but yes a bit ambitious.
 
olympus mon said:
q21q21 said:
It likely isn't humidity. Most of the time there will be drops, or a film of what SWIM think is jungle DMT or DMT-n-oxide.
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thank you that makes a lot of sense. i think i made matters worse in my final 3 washes though. i rinsed out the sticky leftovers with the warm naphtha in the last couple pulls. one of these is done drying and i can see from a distance the amount of the jungle stickiness is 2-3X more than before. i wasn't able to get the crystals separated :( bummer!

maybe i should do a jungle extraction with these to sticky pulls. is that possible at this stage?
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That sounds like n-oxide to me... Normally when SWIM Re-x's that stuff with some crystals stuck in it, and uses WARM naptha, he gets more n-oxide then he bargains for, he cant get rid of it.. so he just combines it.. eventually if you get enough of the fluff to mull around on it, you can just leave it out to dry for a few more minutes and slowly chipchop it up with a razor, and make it into teeeeeenny tiny globules that look just like your fluff.

-gir
 
The stickiness may be n-oxide or jungle, as mentioned previously. There's nothing wrong with either of these, but fluffy white is often the goal. If you want just the fluff, a technique that I've heard works well is to cool the solvent until the oil just starts to drop out, then transfer the solution to another freeze precip jar to finish up. The oil should stick to the bottom of the first jar, leaving a 'cleaner' solution to be freeze-precipitated in the second jar. It can be difficult to see the oil start to drop out so it may take some trial and error to get the process just right. I hear it's all in the temperature of the solvent as to whether it holds mostly DMT or DMT and the oily substance, but what do I know?

Another option, as Gir mentioned, is to just collect it all by scraping it up until it's solid. If it's a combination of fluff and oily stuff and you have enough, you can then re-x it all using the method above to get the fluff out.

Either way, don't throw away that oil! It can be quite active.

Safe journeys.

-JM
 
Beautiful stuff man!! Truly beautiful - very interested to know the final yield.

I've been having the same problem with oily build up on the evaporation dish afterwards - smokes pretty nicely though, most definitely psychoactive so no problems there! Definitely not nice if you're looking for beautiful pure white spice, but smokes the same - just good organic as it gets.
 
i get TONS of this yellow/orange oil. i dunno if my naphtha has a high % of xylene or what. even when i re-x with heptane it becomes yellow and orange. the oil seems to have just ever so slight differences in heptane. i believe the only time i got pure white was actually by doing as was said, decanting naptha as it cooled and letting the oil stick. lots of this oil gets wasted. i get frustrated tryign to isolate it or dissolve ti outa empty jars.. it ends up being wiped off 80% of the time. i have a milk jug full of paper towels saturated with dmt oils. maybe ill pull it lol.

i just did 3 re-x's on 1.87g of spice with boiling heptane trying to separate the oils. but they seem to always get whipped up into an emulsion within the hot heptane. it is always colored or cloudy and swirling strong. there is an obvious oil layer which i leave behind, but when i let the non oily heptane settle and come to room temp where dmt starts to fall out, it also drops most fo the orange/yellow tint out with it....

do we all really need to break down and do the zinc conversion? i dont wanna!

i have a suspension that all of this is from not using enough water with this new fangled powdered bark lulz ;P enjoy the pun
 
I have taken a leaf out of your book there and decanted the naptha into a different jar, after doing a couple of fridge to freezer transfers - it's also giving me the fattest crystals, as my most recent pulls are supersaturated (relatively at least)...I can see the leftover oils - one jar it's orangey, another jar it is mildly yellow, and the last it is COMPLETely opaque white...all from using the same solvent I might add. ANyways, I will post my results of what I've done, which was sticking my finger in the jar and scraping it gently off my finger with my craft knife.

The orangey stuff has made a dark red goo, slightly darker in places - some of it is crystalline, most is just goo
The yellow stuff has left a mimosa - dark red goo, much more crystalline than the really dark stuff.
And the clear opaque stuff turned very faint yellow, like cloudy saturated naptha coloured.

These are all drying on a crystal slice so far, I will take pictures and post when I can find my cable.

(sorry to hijak the thread a little OP!!)
 
now take that oily goop and pull from it what u can. i used a 10ml beaker for this lol. u will pull spice out of it for a looong time. like 50ml of solvent. it readily forms crystals when melted and cooled. then u will have 1 of 2 things. a chalky brown delicious cake which is very harsh and gross but mildly active, or an abysmal blackish ooze. i was stupid enough one day to smoke the chalk and it deff had and effect. and i deff couldn't pull from it anymore. it was a veeery odd hollow effect. much closer to nitrous or accidentally watching your heptane crystallize a bit too close.....

i believe this solid was bark that had been whipped up into the solvent many many times and soaked up the dark oil. it was very harsh to smoke.

the oil on the other hand i have not tried.

conditions contributing:

500g in 1.2g of water :X
klean strip naphtha(pretty sure no xylene)
bestine heptane
pyrex glass with hdpe/teflon lids
ceramic mantle hotplate
ive been making my solvents too hot. boiling both naphtha and heptane.
evap dish is Al or glass
OLD BARK/BASIC MIXTURE 1-2 MONTHS!
 
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