Acacia longifolia - Victoria holy grail?

[cheeser]

Has anyone experimented and been successful with extraction of DMT on this species?

There is very little and unreliable information on the internet as to whether DMT is present in high enough concerntrations to bother with.

I've read some claims of people swearing they have tried numerious times to no avail, while others say they get decent yeilds. This could come down to; mis-identification, population/individual variation, sloppy techniques or using inappropriate material (old vs young, phyllodes vs bark).

From my understanding, most Acacias that have phyllodes and cylindrical spike flowers are suitable for extraction (maidenii, floribunda, obtusifolia, the endangered phlebophylla and acuminata if your over in the west), which longifolia shares.

There is two sub species,
* Acacia longifolia subsp. longifolia
* Acacia longifolia subsp. sophorae

subsp. sophorae is restricted to coastal climates, whereas subsp. longifolia extends inland throughout NSW, VIC and south-eastern SA.

SWIM is from metapolitan melbourne and does not want to travel to eastern Victoria to hunt down maidenii or obusifolia. Acacia longifolia subsp. longifolia is plentiful throughout melbourne regions, growing wild all over the place. Could this be a reliable source for Victorians as obtusifolia is for NSW'ers?

Thanks

 

[dg]

much good info at sab about this, including this recent thread-

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=26861

be sure to look at other similar threads in this subforum, and the id subforum

 

[DreaMTripper]

Vic active acacias it seems are few and far between the best thing to do if you are eager is to jump on a plane to Perth and go drive into the semi-arid region for a.acuminata.
If you had an a.longifolia it would be worth breeding to see if a good yeilder makes itself known. I am personally curious about mucronata (and now ive seen ACACIA LEPROSA var. GRAVEOLENS that too!) it has a certain look about it. As do some of the wide phyllode variety pycantha but we all know how many red herrings the plant world puts out..

It rains so much in Vic I doubt that the active strains have much time to replenish alkaloids after they have been leached.
Do a.acuminata retain alks after rainfall? Or a.confusa? All have habitats that get a great deal of rain but seem to be consistent yeilders.
I wonder if the 'leathery phyllode' reports of active strains indicate an additional oil: they possess that protects against leaching?

From what ive gathered the active ones usually have leathery phyllodes, taste bitter and generally have a wide phyllode rather than thin. Have flowers on spikes not rods. What I do know is, active or not, they are all beautiful mysterious beings.

Ive pretty much given up looking for an active tree, I will wait until one undoubtedly calls to me.

 

[acacian]

Vic active acacias it seems are few and far between the best thing to do if you are eager is to jump on a plane to Perth and go drive into the semi-arid region for a.acuminata.
If you had an a.longifolia it would be worth breeding to see if a good yeilder makes itself known. I am personally curious about mucronata (and now ive seen ACACIA LEPROSA var. GRAVEOLENS that too!) it has a certain look about it. As do some of the wide phyllode variety pycantha but we all know how many red herrings the plant world puts out..

It rains so much in Vic I doubt that the active strains have much time to replenish alkaloids after they have been leached.
Do a.acuminata retain alks after rainfall? Or a.confusa? All have habitats that get a great deal of rain but seem to be consistent yeilders.
I wonder if the 'leathery phyllode' reports of active strains indicate an additional oil: they possess that protects against leaching?

From what ive gathered the active ones usually have leathery phyllodes, taste bitter and generally have a wide phyllode rather than thin. Have flowers on spikes not rods. What I do know is, active or not, they are all beautiful mysterious beings.

Ive pretty much given up looking for an active tree, I will wait until one undoubtedly calls to me.

as has been said before I think the acacias in victoria may be a somewhat trickier code to crack, but undoubtedly will be valuable allies when figured out..much patience required.. (i've managed to find a few special ones )just on the rain thing, I recently found a tree which has given up dmt containing extracts on two tests during and after rain while in flower and I have also managed to extract actives from a rarer (but well known for alkaloids) species which while reduced in yield still had perfectly reasonable amounts for personal use ..the latter test was also after heavy rain and during flowering.. so its not always as simple as there being no alkaloids after rain.. it may be that these teachers have adapted their alkaloid production to the climate they live in- which in our case is often quite a wet one.. i'd assume a tree as consistent as acuminata would probably still contain some alkaloids after rain.. though it may be reduced

anyways there's a hell of a lot of active acacia's around victoria that don't contain dmt but are interesting enough to keep a traveller occupied in their search, and I suspect if they were retested at differen't periods of the year in differen't types of weather they may even produce the molecule you are seeking..

i think longifolia is well worth persuing in victoria as well as mucronata. I know chocobeastie has had success with longifolia and he is from victoria so I presume it was from a victorian variety - I've seen a few interesting stands out past geelong that really spoke to me, though yet to test.. on one test I was gifted a dmt (and probly beta carbs) extract from a mucronata subs. mucronata about 15 minutes out of the city.. second test negative but a a number of variables always need to be taken in consideration

.. most of the floribunda I have tested around the melbourne area haven't had dmt.. some are active though. a friend who has done a number of floribunda tests also is beginning to think the "type" down here may not be the same as the active variety that a number of people swear by

 

[DreaMTripper]

Ok thanks for the insight.. and hope!
If I had the resources, room and a car I would be all the over the bush looking but I dont so will have to wait and see if a teacher calls to me in my area, or I'll go on a holiday to WA. However just by spending time with them reading about them and observerving them has taught me so much already about acacia and myself.
The way they seem to take it in turns dominating local ecologies and the way they share the resources is one of the most interesting aspects, each flourishing peacefully in their own space but usually not impeding on another.
Humans could learn a thing or 2 about that! Not to mention the recyling! So you could say they are all teachers just some teach 'multdimensional studies'

The high potency extract gifted to chocbeastie was a real sign I feel letting the wider world know they have a 'chemical messenger' to deliver a message to the right people at the right time..

Is there a native alternative to caapi in Aus?

 

[acacian]

there are a few acacias which are orally active on their own.. nen888 found harmine in a younger sample of acacia mucronata subs. longifolia which is a big find.. could be a potential candidate for activating other acacias, though I believe he has found older samples of the same species orally active anyways? (which contained other alkaloids like dmt).. acacia mucronata subs. longifolia is widespread down here in vic and not hard to find.. could be a good tree to work with. i've only worked with subs. mucronata personally but hold great interest in subs. longifolia

 

[DreaMTripper]

Interesting.. read a few encouraging reports about subsp.longifolia what sort of environment does it like? I believe it hybridises with others sometimes no wonder so many spikey phenotypes!
Saw an interesting one the other day, a.verniciflua I think, very dense foliage and the 'varnished' phyllodes taste very very bitter.
Still got a hunch about a.implexa will maybe find out soon..
Picked some a.longifolia seeds the other day whats the best way to germinate?