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Thanx nen888, for this wonderful thread! :thumb_up:

As to your profound point, about the ineffable nature of Brahman... it is the most challenging and valuable aspect of the individual's deepest spiritual experience. For when the self is present, as a witness, the direct interphase within the Divine Being is impossible. This of course, is an oversimplification but the primary idea is that for a self to exist, there is a manifestation of duality. I AM, I EXIST, I SEE, I EXPERIENCE, I KNOW, etc...

When the eclipsing is total, the self is wholly dissolved from the transcendental shift in attention. Right before this unification, there is a direct perception of the unification. Immediately post eclipsing mode, there is a direct perception of the unification. Whilst in full Samadhi... there is can be no trace of self to cognize oneself or any other, this or that, material or spiritual, form or substance. Still, all of this is essentially That. Thus, we determinately meditate and deeply contemplate in vain, as our illusion begins and ends within the vortexial fulcrum of ourselves.

So, I guess what I am getting at is that were one not to re-emerge from the eclipsing of the individual self and the Godself/Omniself, experience of any self would collapse and so too, would the universe of our creation (from this singular vantage point, at least). Ultimately, the dream would cease to weave it's mesmerizing spell and the silence of the Infinite/Absolute/Eternal would envelope the relativity of the witness, experientially watching the phenomena endlessly manifesting as this or that. As you wisely state, "Neti, neti."

Ergo, to be the self engaging in the act of enlightenment, is merely another aspect of the dreamscape we project into reality, albeit seemingly the highest frequency we are capable of seamlessly interphasing within. Our immersion is a rather self-erasing journey at that. The sheer irony is that the force which makes all of this perceptual experience even possible, is also the force which devours the isolated dreamer, along with the dreamscape being dreampt (upon awakening, all that remains is an immeasurable silence). Beyond any dichotomy or division, what we might label God, resides in supreme splendor, unable to be separated from nor conjoined within itself, for it is indivisibly unmanifested... truly VOID of any aspect or characteristic. Yet, it is Divine beyond all of our finite definitions or human thoughts. 8)

Who watches the watcher, watching itself, watch itself?

<blockquote data-quote="Rising Spirit" data-source="post: 3688368" data-attributes="member: 4216">Thanx nen888, for this wonderful thread!&nbsp; :thumb_up: As to your profound point, about the ineffable nature of Brahman...&nbsp; it is the most challenging and valuable aspect of the individual&#039;s deepest spiritual experience.&nbsp; For when the self is present, as a witness, the direct interphase within the Divine Being is impossible.&nbsp; This of course, is an oversimplification but the primary idea is that for a self to exist, there is a manifestation of duality.&nbsp; I AM, I EXIST, I SEE, I EXPERIENCE, I KNOW, etc...When the eclipsing is total, the self is wholly dissolved from the transcendental shift in attention.&nbsp; Right before this unification, there is a direct perception of the unification.&nbsp; Immediately post eclipsing mode, there is a direct perception of the unification.&nbsp; Whilst in full Samadhi... there is can be no trace of self to cognize oneself or any other, this or that, material or spiritual, form or substance.&nbsp; Still, all of this is essentially That.&nbsp; Thus, we determinately meditate and deeply contemplate in vain, as our illusion begins and ends within&nbsp; the vortexial fulcrum of ourselves.&nbsp; &nbsp; So, I guess what I am getting at is that were one not to re-emerge from the eclipsing of the individual self and the Godself/Omniself, experience of any self would collapse and so too, would the universe of our creation (from this singular vantage point, at least).&nbsp; Ultimately, the dream would cease to weave it&#039;s mesmerizing spell and the silence of the Infinite/Absolute/Eternal would envelope the relativity of the witness, experientially watching the phenomena endlessly manifesting as this or that.&nbsp; As you wisely state, &quot;Neti, neti.&quot;&nbsp; Ergo, to be the self engaging in the act of enlightenment, is merely another aspect of the dreamscape we project into reality, albeit seemingly the highest frequency we are capable of seamlessly interphasing within.&nbsp; Our immersion is a rather self-erasing journey at that.&nbsp; The sheer irony is that the force which makes all of this perceptual experience even possible, is also the force which devours the isolated dreamer, along with the dreamscape being dreampt (upon awakening, all that remains is an immeasurable silence).&nbsp; Beyond any dichotomy or division, what we might label God, resides in supreme splendor, unable to be separated from nor conjoined within itself, for it is indivisibly unmanifested...&nbsp; truly VOID of any aspect or characteristic.&nbsp; Yet, it is Divine beyond all of our finite definitions or human thoughts.&nbsp; 8)&nbsp; &nbsp; Who watches the watcher, watching itself, watch itself?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rising Spirit, post: 3688368, member: 4216"] Thanx [b]nen888[/b], for this wonderful thread! :thumb_up: As to your profound point, about the ineffable nature of Brahman... it is the most challenging and valuable aspect of the individual's deepest spiritual experience. For when the self is present, as a witness, the direct interphase within the Divine Being is impossible. This of course, is an oversimplification but the primary idea is that for a self to exist, there is a manifestation of duality. I AM, I EXIST, I SEE, I EXPERIENCE, I KNOW, etc... When the eclipsing is total, the self is wholly dissolved from the transcendental shift in attention. Right before this unification, there is a direct perception of the unification. Immediately post eclipsing mode, there is a direct perception of the unification. Whilst in full Samadhi... there is can be no trace of self to cognize oneself or any other, this or that, material or spiritual, form or substance. Still, all of this is essentially That. Thus, we determinately meditate and deeply contemplate in vain, as our illusion begins and ends within the vortexial fulcrum of ourselves. So, I guess what I am getting at is that were one not to re-emerge from the eclipsing of the individual self and the Godself/Omniself, experience of any self would collapse and so too, would the universe of our creation (from this singular vantage point, at least). Ultimately, the dream would cease to weave it's mesmerizing spell and the silence of the Infinite/Absolute/Eternal would envelope the relativity of the witness, experientially watching the phenomena endlessly manifesting as this or that. As you wisely state, [b]"Neti, neti."[/b] Ergo, to be the self engaging in the act of enlightenment, is merely another aspect of the dreamscape we project into reality, albeit seemingly the highest frequency we are capable of seamlessly interphasing within. Our immersion is a rather self-erasing journey at that. The sheer irony is that the force which makes all of this perceptual experience even possible, is also the force which devours the isolated dreamer, along with the dreamscape being dreampt (upon awakening, all that remains is an immeasurable silence). Beyond any dichotomy or division, what we might label God, resides in supreme splendor, unable to be separated from nor conjoined within itself, for it is indivisibly unmanifested... truly VOID of any aspect or characteristic. Yet, it is Divine beyond all of our finite definitions or human thoughts. 8) [b]Who watches the watcher, watching itself, watch itself?[/b] [/QUOTE]