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..'Bliss' is the word i left out in the above post..

Tattvamasi wrote:
..this in turn leads to less suffering, by identifying with the source, not our thoughts, desires, emotions..yes these will all still arise, but the nature of underlying peace (bliss) becomes more apparent with focus..each day, to increasingly 'abide in the Self', with practice..It is always 'there'..whatever state of perception..

experientially..i have a couple of times been suddenly awoken from deep sleep (the nothing going on, no dreams level) by a sudden sound (branch on the roof) ..in the split second transition back to the 'awake' state, and identification with body/mind, i have realised what i was just experiencing in that deep sleep state (where there was no 'me', no dreams etc) ..'everything' was there..seamless, unending 'everything'..no wonder to the limited perception it seems like 'nothing'..it can't be contained in ordinary mind or vision..but it was more fully 'aware' than 'awake'..and it was like 'bliss'..

joedirt wrote:
..absolutely! we need more than one raft..i really appreciate what you said about the benefits of mindfullness meditation on p.1..hope your meditations are going well..and peace

Rising Spirit wrote:
..wise words Rising Spirit..yes, 'clear'..

..yes, and fine words, in attempting to sum up the unfathomable..Adi Shankaracharya said: "Who can describe That (i.e., Brahman) whence words turn away ? (So silence is inevitable while describing Brahman). Or if the phenomenal world were to be described, even that is beyond words. This, to give an alternate definition, may also be termed silence known among the sages as congenital. The observance of silence by restraining speech, on the other hand, is ordained by the teachers of Brahman for the ignorant." .

.. in terms of language and metaphor for the non-dual, i quite like Shakta Advaita...but this is just personal taste..i see the same final understanding in 'Mayavadin' Vedanta and Buddhism..
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for Advaita Vedanta, i thought it would be good to look at some of Adi Shankaracharya's 'descriptions' of Brahman..
[from Atma Bodha]

[from Vivekachudamani]

as for the apparent world, Shankaracharya says of Maya: (the 'mayavadin' perspective)[from Vivekachudamani]

..Shankaracharya says Maya is dissolved by the full realisation of Brahman..
(the subtly different Shakta Advaita language position i mentioned earlier)

.. also,
peace..
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<blockquote data-quote="nen888" data-source="post: 3688645" data-attributes="member: 16">..&#039;Bliss&#039; is the word i left out in the above post..<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />Tattvamasi wrote:..this in turn leads to less suffering, by identifying with the source, not our thoughts, desires, emotions..yes these will all still arise, but the nature of underlying peace (bliss) becomes more apparent with focus..each day, to increasingly &#039;abide in the Self&#039;, with practice..It is always &#039;there&#039;..whatever state of perception..experientially..i have a couple of times been suddenly awoken from deep sleep (the nothing going on, no dreams level) by a sudden sound (branch on the roof) ..in the split second transition back to the &#039;awake&#039; state, and identification with body/mind, i have realised what i was just experiencing in that deep sleep state (where there was no &#039;me&#039;, no dreams etc) ..&#039;everything&#039; was there..seamless, unending &#039;everything&#039;..no wonder to the limited perception it seems like &#039;nothing&#039;..it can&#039;t be contained in ordinary mind or vision..but it was more fully &#039;aware&#039; than &#039;awake&#039;..and it was like &#039;bliss&#039;..joedirt wrote:..absolutely! we need more than one raft..i really appreciate what you said about the benefits of mindfullness meditation on p.1..hope your meditations are going well..and peaceRising Spirit wrote:..wise words Rising Spirit..yes, &#039;clear&#039;....yes, and fine words, in attempting to sum up the unfathomable..Adi Shankaracharya said: &quot;Who can describe That (i.e., Brahman) whence words turn away ? (So silence is inevitable while describing Brahman). Or if the phenomenal world were to be described, even that is beyond words. This, to give an alternate definition, may also be termed silence known among the sages as congenital. The observance of silence by restraining speech, on the other hand, is ordained by the teachers of Brahman for the ignorant.&quot; ... in terms of language and metaphor for the non-dual, i quite like Shakta Advaita...but this is just personal taste..i see the same final understanding in &#039;Mayavadin&#039; Vedanta and Buddhism...for Advaita Vedanta, i thought it would be good to look at some of Adi Shankaracharya&#039;s &#039;descriptions&#039; of Brahman..[from Atma Bodha][from Vivekachudamani]as for the apparent world, Shankaracharya says of Maya: (the &#039;mayavadin&#039; perspective)[from Vivekachudamani] ..Shankaracharya says Maya is dissolved by the full realisation of Brahman..(the subtly different Shakta Advaita language position i mentioned earlier).. also,peace.. .</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nen888, post: 3688645, member: 16"] ..'Bliss' is the word i left out in the above post..:) [b]Tattvamasi [/b]wrote: ..this in turn leads to less suffering, by identifying with the source, not our thoughts, desires, emotions..yes these will all still arise, but the nature of underlying peace (bliss) becomes more apparent with focus..each day, to increasingly 'abide in the Self', with practice..It is always 'there'..whatever state of perception.. experientially..i have a couple of times been suddenly awoken from deep sleep (the nothing going on, no dreams level) by a sudden sound (branch on the roof) ..in the split second transition back to the 'awake' state, and identification with body/mind, i have realised what i was just experiencing in that deep sleep state (where there was no 'me', no dreams etc) ..'everything' was there..seamless, unending 'everything'..no wonder to the limited perception it seems like 'nothing'..it can't be contained in ordinary mind or vision..but it was more fully 'aware' than 'awake'..and it was like 'bliss'.. [b]joedirt [/b]wrote: ..absolutely! we need more than one raft..i really appreciate what you said about the benefits of mindfullness meditation on p.1..hope your meditations are going well..and peace [b]Rising Spirit[/b] wrote: ..wise words Rising Spirit..yes, 'clear'.. ..yes, and fine words, in attempting to sum up the unfathomable..Adi Shankaracharya said: "Who can describe That (i.e., Brahman) whence words turn away ? (So silence is inevitable while describing Brahman). Or if the phenomenal world were to be described, even that is beyond words. This, to give an alternate definition, may also be termed silence known among the sages as congenital. The observance of silence by restraining speech, on the other hand, is ordained by the teachers of Brahman for the ignorant." . .. in terms of language and metaphor for the non-dual, i quite like Shakta Advaita...but this is just personal taste..i see the same final understanding in 'Mayavadin' Vedanta and Buddhism.. . for Advaita Vedanta, i thought it would be good to look at some of Adi Shankaracharya's 'descriptions' of [i]Brahman[/i].. [from Atma Bodha] [from Vivekachudamani] as for the apparent world, Shankaracharya says of Maya: (the 'mayavadin' perspective)[from Vivekachudamani] ..Shankaracharya says Maya is dissolved by the full realisation of Brahman.. (the subtly different Shakta Advaita language position i mentioned earlier) .. also, peace.. . [/QUOTE]