Members of the previous forum can retrieve their temporary password here, (login and check your PM).

Reply to thread

Message

Received a PM today and wanted to share the exchange, since it is so relevant (at least, within my tiny mind it certainly is) to this wonderful discussion taking place here. :d

Namaste my friend,

The paradoxical thing with human words is that they are a relative phenomenon, limited by anthropomorphic definitions. One cannot encapsulate the experience of becoming aware of being Brahman awakening to it's own limitless reality. Still, we do ascribe names and meanings, as an ego-self (Jivatman) going through direct immersions within the Godself or Omniself (Paramatman).

Thus, if all is truly Void... even the concept of Sakyamuni's idea of Anatma, no-self or zero-self, is another illusion. For who is dreaming up this dream? Must there be an original cause to perceive of a reality of one? More so, how does one describe the indescribable?

Within the cosmology of Indian mysticism, there are three levels of Samadhi: Savikapla, Nirvikalpa and Sahaja. While the union is identical, the duration/saturation/immersion of the "eclipsing" is conceptually differentiated from one degree to the next. The psychedelic experience can and in many peoples, facilitates Savikapla Samadhi. 8)

In other words, we all come down, separate from the Oneness and recrystallize as ego-selves, existing in a multiverse of thriving duality. As long as we understand that these semantics are within the realm of mortal illusion, we do not get too, too fixated on definitions and delineations between this and that. Neti, neti...

In some systems of yoga, Nirvikapla Samadhi is considered the ultimate state, one revealing complete union with the Divine nature. In others, Sahaja is considered beyond Nirvikapla, as the union is never broken, the transcendental shift in attention is never undone. The self is 100% dissolved, forevermore, in the Absolute and therefore, cannot return to delusion. One's ego is wholly deadened and no one is left as witness, separated enough, to have a finite/relative self. Whereas, in Nirvikapla, enough humanity remains intact, despite the "enlightenment", to become a Master Soul/Sat Guru/Enlightened One... fused within the Unified Field of the Paramatman.

So, can a humanoid experience Sahaja and still communicate, teach or even exist in a mortal guise? A good question, perhaps the only valuable one to consider, standing before the looking glass? Now... as far as Sahaja samadhi is concerned, I am prone to believe that were this totally the case, even enlightened beings like: Krishna, Zarathustra, Mahavira, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Socrates, Patanjali, Christ, Muhammad, Shankara and Sri Ramana Maharshi... would simply cease to be contained within the organic human form. Awakening wholly from this dreamscape, the eternal soul would no longer hold to any boundaries and manifestation, at all.

In short, no matter what we call this whiteout experience, this blooming of Spirit, this Godhead experience, this dawning of illumination... we cannot make reference to it and BE IT, simultaneously. Only in complete stillness and silence, is That echoed, reflected and refracted exponentially, internally at that!

Exactly. But we are here, living in this very moment. We are existent in this nowness... so as long as we live, love and breath in mortal guise, we do ascribe names to these uber-subtle things.

Again, "trying not to try" is often a wholly fruitless endeavor. You know, merging within the vortexial fulcrum of the unformed, far beyond any membrane of self, propelled as awareness into the Infinite state... and yet, holding on to enough human reason to translate the quietude into comprehensible linguistics?

No words can capture the essence nor ground the epiphany to any conclusive degree. One must surrender and in so doing, evaporate as the watcher of the drama, incrementally so.

Amen to that! :thumb_up:

Ciao for now, RS

<blockquote data-quote="Rising Spirit" data-source="post: 3688867" data-attributes="member: 4216">Received a PM today and wanted to share the exchange, since it is so relevant (at least, within my tiny mind it certainly is) to this wonderful discussion taking place here.&nbsp; :d Namaste my friend,The paradoxical thing with human words is that they are a relative phenomenon, limited by anthropomorphic definitions. One cannot encapsulate the experience of becoming aware of being Brahman awakening to it&#039;s own limitless reality. Still, we do ascribe names and meanings, as an ego-self (Jivatman) going through direct immersions within the Godself or Omniself (Paramatman).Thus, if all is truly Void... even the concept of Sakyamuni&#039;s idea of Anatma, no-self or zero-self, is another illusion.&nbsp; For who is dreaming up this dream? Must there be an original cause to perceive of a reality of one?&nbsp; More so, how does one describe the indescribable?Within the cosmology of Indian mysticism, there are three levels of Samadhi: Savikapla, Nirvikalpa and Sahaja. While the union is identical, the duration/saturation/immersion of the &quot;eclipsing&quot; is conceptually differentiated from one degree to the next. The psychedelic experience can and in many peoples, facilitates Savikapla Samadhi.&nbsp; 8) In other words, we all come down, separate from the Oneness and recrystallize as ego-selves, existing in a multiverse of thriving duality. As long as we understand that these semantics are within the realm of mortal illusion, we do not get too, too fixated on definitions and delineations between this and that.&nbsp; Neti, neti...In some systems of yoga, Nirvikapla Samadhi is considered the ultimate state, one revealing complete union with the Divine nature. In others, Sahaja is considered beyond Nirvikapla, as the union is never broken, the transcendental shift in attention is never undone. The self is 100% dissolved, forevermore, in the Absolute and therefore, cannot return to delusion. One&#039;s ego is wholly deadened and no one is left as witness, separated enough, to have a finite/relative self. Whereas, in Nirvikapla, enough humanity remains intact, despite the &quot;enlightenment&quot;, to become a Master Soul/Sat Guru/Enlightened One...&nbsp; fused within the Unified Field of the Paramatman.So, can a humanoid experience Sahaja and still communicate, teach or even exist in a mortal guise? A good question, perhaps the only valuable one to consider, standing before the looking glass? Now... as far as Sahaja samadhi is concerned, I am prone to believe that were this totally the case, even enlightened beings like: Krishna, Zarathustra, Mahavira, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Socrates, Patanjali, Christ, Muhammad, Shankara and Sri Ramana Maharshi... would simply cease to be contained within the organic human form. Awakening wholly from this dreamscape, the eternal soul would no longer hold to any boundaries and manifestation, at all.In short, no matter what we call this whiteout experience, this blooming of Spirit, this Godhead experience, this dawning of illumination... we cannot make reference to it and BE IT, simultaneously. Only in complete stillness and silence, is That echoed, reflected and refracted exponentially, internally at that!&nbsp; <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😁" title="Beaming face with smiling eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :grin:" src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/nexus/unicode/64/1f601.png" data-shortname=":grin:" />&nbsp;&nbsp; Exactly. But we are here, living in this very moment. We are existent in this nowness... so as long as we live, love and breath in mortal guise, we do ascribe names to these uber-subtle things.Again, &quot;trying not to try&quot; is often a wholly fruitless endeavor. You know, merging within the vortexial fulcrum of the unformed, far beyond any membrane of self, propelled as awareness into the Infinite state... and yet, holding on to enough human reason to translate the quietude into comprehensible linguistics?No words can capture the essence nor ground the epiphany to any conclusive degree. One must surrender and in so doing, evaporate as the watcher of the drama, incrementally so.Amen to that! :thumb_up: Ciao for now, RS</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rising Spirit, post: 3688867, member: 4216"] Received a PM today and wanted to share the exchange, since it is so relevant (at least, within my tiny mind it certainly is) to this wonderful discussion taking place here. :d [b]Namaste my friend,[/b] The paradoxical thing with human words is that they are a relative phenomenon, limited by anthropomorphic definitions. One cannot encapsulate the experience of becoming aware of being Brahman awakening to it's own limitless reality. Still, we do ascribe names and meanings, as an ego-self (Jivatman) going through direct immersions within the Godself or Omniself (Paramatman). Thus, if all is truly Void... even the concept of Sakyamuni's idea of Anatma, no-self or zero-self, is another illusion. For who is dreaming up this dream? Must there be an original cause to perceive of a reality of one? More so, how does one describe the indescribable? Within the cosmology of Indian mysticism, there are three levels of Samadhi: Savikapla, Nirvikalpa and Sahaja. While the union is identical, the duration/saturation/immersion of the "eclipsing" is conceptually differentiated from one degree to the next. The psychedelic experience can and in many peoples, facilitates Savikapla Samadhi. 8) In other words, we all come down, separate from the Oneness and recrystallize as ego-selves, existing in a multiverse of thriving duality. As long as we understand that these semantics are within the realm of mortal illusion, we do not get too, too fixated on definitions and delineations between this and that. Neti, neti... In some systems of yoga, Nirvikapla Samadhi is considered the ultimate state, one revealing complete union with the Divine nature. In others, Sahaja is considered beyond Nirvikapla, as the union is never broken, the transcendental shift in attention is never undone. The self is 100% dissolved, forevermore, in the Absolute and therefore, cannot return to delusion. One's ego is wholly deadened and no one is left as witness, separated enough, to have a finite/relative self. Whereas, in Nirvikapla, enough humanity remains intact, despite the "enlightenment", to become a Master Soul/Sat Guru/Enlightened One... fused within the Unified Field of the Paramatman. So, can a humanoid experience Sahaja and still communicate, teach or even exist in a mortal guise? A good question, perhaps the only valuable one to consider, standing before the looking glass? Now... as far as Sahaja samadhi is concerned, I am prone to believe that were this totally the case, even enlightened beings like: Krishna, Zarathustra, Mahavira, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Socrates, Patanjali, Christ, Muhammad, Shankara and Sri Ramana Maharshi... would simply cease to be contained within the organic human form. Awakening wholly from this dreamscape, the eternal soul would no longer hold to any boundaries and manifestation, at all. In short, no matter what we call this whiteout experience, this blooming of Spirit, this Godhead experience, this dawning of illumination... we cannot make reference to it and BE IT, simultaneously. Only in complete stillness and silence, is That echoed, reflected and refracted exponentially, internally at that! 😁 Exactly. But we are here, living in this very moment. We are existent in this nowness... so as long as we live, love and breath in mortal guise, we do ascribe names to these uber-subtle things. Again, "trying not to try" is often a wholly fruitless endeavor. You know, merging within the vortexial fulcrum of the unformed, far beyond any membrane of self, propelled as awareness into the Infinite state... and yet, holding on to enough human reason to translate the quietude into comprehensible linguistics? No words can capture the essence nor ground the epiphany to any conclusive degree. One must surrender and in so doing, evaporate as the watcher of the drama, incrementally so. Amen to that! :thumb_up: [b]Ciao for now, RS[/b] [/QUOTE]