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Advice for first mescaline experience

Sakkadelic

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Since I moved to a place where mescaline cacti grows readily, I've been wanting to try it.

I've found a sustainable source and my first attempt at extraction with CIELO did not yield anything. Possibly due to how the cuttings were stored and me messing up the water content.

Now, a year later, I'm about to leave so I have one last chance to try it, at least for the near future. So I believe it's best if I try bridgesii and to cook it down instead of extracting, but my first concern is that I am quite susceptible to nausea, I've had it with any psychedelic that I've tried. So is there a simple way to process the tea and get a crude extract? And is there any tips and tricks to reduce nausea with mescaline?

Secondly, what about dosage? Assuming I am getting mature bridgesii cuttings, how much is enough for a moderate dose? And how long does the peak last? I plan to take it alone while camping so I don’t want to be completely gone. I've done ayahuasca in similar settings and often trip alone although it's been a while, but please let me know if it's a good idea with mescaline.

Any other advice, suggestions, resources and stories are highly appreciated!

Many thanks and much love 💚
 
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Hi Sakkadelic!

I’ve had a few experiences with San Pedro, and even though I didn’t prepare it myself, I’d recommend taking it slowly — especially if you’re prone to nausea. Cacti tend to bring very grounding sensations in the body... even though personally, I’m never against a purge — as long as it stays within reasonable limits, of course.

My experiences were quite opposite, so I guess set and settings are, again, quite important.

First time I did it on my own with a friend, in the jungle. It was visually and physically quite intense, waves of warm sensations, ecstatic rhythm with my eye-sight while listening some music, first time I experienced it...

Second time was during a traditional ceremony, much less overwhelming and more controlled, though pretty enjoyable. In this context, I remember being completely captivated by the fire — I made it my mission to keep it going all night.

Stay safe :)
 
Some thoughts based on your post:

You can do multiple boils of your cactus, combine and reduce the resulting tea, and slowly reduce and evaporate the tea to yield resin, although you'll likely have to eat a fair bit of resin compared to extracted mescaline. I think eating resin or drinking tea is likely to cause more nausea than eating extracted mescaline. Some people take things like ginger tea or other nausea remedies depending on their preferences (some people take pharmaceuticals but I don't know anything about that).

Why abandon extraction after only one attempt where it could've been weak material or bungled method? It comes into play with your question about dosing. Not all cacti are created equal as far as mescaline content. Bridgesii are typically considered to be relatively potent, but if you don't extract you won't have a way of knowing how much mescaline you're consuming or if your plants are significant outliers in either direction, which could be underwhelming or overwhelming for your plans.

In short it's not really possible to say how many centimeters or grams of plant matter of unknown potency to eat.

Extracting would remedy this and if you're worried about water content in cielo maybe check out using fumaric acid instead of citric. There's a bunch of Reddit threads where people seem to have had good success with that and the consensus seems to be water content really doesn't matter for fumarates.
 
Since I moved to a place where mescaline cacti grows readily, I've been wanting to try it.

I've found a sustainable source and my first attempt at extraction with CIELO did not yield anything. Possibly due to how the cuttings were stored and me messing up the water content.

Now, a year later, I'm about to leave so I have one last chance to try it, at least for the near future. So I believe it's best if I try bridgesii and to cook it down instead of extracting, but my first concern is that I am quite susceptible to nausea, I've had it with any psychedelic that I've tried. So is there a simple way to process the tea and get a crude extract? And is there any tips and tricks to reduce nausea with mescaline?

Secondly, what about dosage? Assuming I am getting mature bridgesii cuttings, how much is enough for a moderate dose? And how long does the peak last? I plan to take it alone while camping so I don’t want to be completely gone. I've done ayahuasca in similar settings and often trip alone although it's been a while, but please let me know if it's a good idea with mescaline.

Any other advice, suggestions, resources and stories are highly appreciated!

Many thanks and much love 💚
Hi Sakkadelic I’m a little new to granddad but so far I’m enjoying and getting a lot out of it so for me I process by
First remove spine and eye cut into two inch rounds then into wedges cutting either side of the ribs peal the thin layer of waxy skin gently slice the dark green layer away getting as little of the white as possible put the dark green in a dehydrator at 35 for about 36 hours then pestle and mortar to a fine powder. When your ready (my dose) 7.5g in a cup of water dash of lemon juice bring to boil simmer for 15 to20 min let cool then down the hatch I get about 6 h the type of experience all depends on the type of cactus as they all have a different lesson hope this helps
 
Crude extract could be made by reducing cactus brew to low volume and then add twice that amount of ethanol. Lot of mucilage separates and resulting liquid yields paste-like residue after evaporation. Much less material to consume and it hits little bit quicker. Ime nausea is always there with full spectrum extracts.
 
For what it's worth, when I did Pedro tea at a ceremony, I had moderate nausea but did not purge. I thought extracting would help, but I also got pretty nauseous with mesc citrate as well which I extracted using Cielo. I think it's kind of part of the deal unfortunately. Ginger capsules helped for sure and there are other home remedies people suggest to reduce nausea.

Dosing is really tough because of the variability in potency. I had an incredible experience in the jungle with tea, but a very underwhelming experience prepping it at home. I really dislike underwhelming experiences, especially when i take time and energy to prepare my set and setting, which is why I got into extraction. It definitely helps dose more accurately unless you have a known quantity in your cacti. That said, I've heard that there are alkaloids present in cactus that add to the experience which are missing in extracted mescalne (but don't have enough experience to differentiate this for myself); but my citrate experiences have been excellent.
 
Hi Sakkadelic!

I’ve had a few experiences with San Pedro, and even though I didn’t prepare it myself, I’d recommend taking it slowly — especially if you’re prone to nausea. Cacti tend to bring very grounding sensations in the body... even though personally, I’m never against a purge — as long as it stays within reasonable limits, of course.

My experiences were quite opposite, so I guess set and settings are, again, quite important.

First time I did it on my own with a friend, in the jungle. It was visually and physically quite intense, waves of warm sensations, ecstatic rhythm with my eye-sight while listening some music, first time I experienced it...

Second time was during a traditional ceremony, much less overwhelming and more controlled, though pretty enjoyable. In this context, I remember being completely captivated by the fire — I made it my mission to keep it going all night.

Stay safe :)
Hi Tumupasa,

Thanks for the input! yes, I am not against a purge either if it's like the one on ayahuasca where it feels very relieving and releasing and the nausea is gone afterwards, but I don't know how it is with mescaline and if it would last throughout the experience like I had with HBWR and LSD.
 
Some thoughts based on your post:

You can do multiple boils of your cactus, combine and reduce the resulting tea, and slowly reduce and evaporate the tea to yield resin, although you'll likely have to eat a fair bit of resin compared to extracted mescaline. I think eating resin or drinking tea is likely to cause more nausea than eating extracted mescaline. Some people take things like ginger tea or other nausea remedies depending on their preferences (some people take pharmaceuticals but I don't know anything about that).

Why abandon extraction after only one attempt where it could've been weak material or bungled method? It comes into play with your question about dosing. Not all cacti are created equal as far as mescaline content. Bridgesii are typically considered to be relatively potent, but if you don't extract you won't have a way of knowing how much mescaline you're consuming or if your plants are significant outliers in either direction, which could be underwhelming or overwhelming for your plans.

In short it's not really possible to say how many centimeters or grams of plant matter of unknown potency to eat.

Extracting would remedy this and if you're worried about water content in cielo maybe check out using fumaric acid instead of citric. There's a bunch of Reddit threads where people seem to have had good success with that and the consensus seems to be water content really doesn't matter for fumarates.
Thanks Memberberries! great name haha.

yeah I figured that about dosing but I thought I could do an average amount, I didn't know the variability can be that big with cacti. and that's one of the reason why my first attempt was an extraction, but now I feel I have this one last shot and unfortunately I don't have the time or mental availability to do an extraction now, later when I am planning to take it I will have all the time and freedom but I will be on the road. I'll probably do a more straightforward prep like making resin as you suggest or what other people are suggesting and then I can consume it later.

I saw a post where someone suggested the one third two third method of first trying 1/3 of a typical dose (1 foot?) and then doing the remain 2/3, so maybe i'll try 1/3 on a weekend and get a sense of the strength of the cacti I got. the person I got it from told me it should be enough for 2 doses (about 2 feet) for those particular Bridgesii cacti that he tried before, but there were many and it could still vary within the same cultivar or time of harvest.
 
Hi Sakkadelic I’m a little new to granddad but so far I’m enjoying and getting a lot out of it so for me I process by
First remove spine and eye cut into two inch rounds then into wedges cutting either side of the ribs peal the thin layer of waxy skin gently slice the dark green layer away getting as little of the white as possible put the dark green in a dehydrator at 35 for about 36 hours then pestle and mortar to a fine powder. When your ready (my dose) 7.5g in a cup of water dash of lemon juice bring to boil simmer for 15 to20 min let cool then down the hatch I get about 6 h the type of experience all depends on the type of cactus as they all have a different lesson hope this helps
Hi I know nothing,
That sounds very convenient, thanks! I'll definitely discard the white stuff to reduce the amount of material I have to consume.
 
Crude extract could be made by reducing cactus brew to low volume and then add twice that amount of ethanol. Lot of mucilage separates and resulting liquid yields paste-like residue after evaporation. Much less material to consume and it hits little bit quicker. Ime nausea is always there with full spectrum extracts.
Hey doubledog, Thanks! that's the kind of thing I was hoping for, could you please give a little bit more detail or point me out to a thread about it, I tried to look it up but couldn't find it. does it have to be 99% ethanol and will the goods be in the alcohol at the end?
 
For what it's worth, when I did Pedro tea at a ceremony, I had moderate nausea but did not purge. I thought extracting would help, but I also got pretty nauseous with mesc citrate as well which I extracted using Cielo. I think it's kind of part of the deal unfortunately. Ginger capsules helped for sure and there are other home remedies people suggest to reduce nausea.

Dosing is really tough because of the variability in potency. I had an incredible experience in the jungle with tea, but a very underwhelming experience prepping it at home. I really dislike underwhelming experiences, especially when i take time and energy to prepare my set and setting, which is why I got into extraction. It definitely helps dose more accurately unless you have a known quantity in your cacti. That said, I've heard that there are alkaloids present in cactus that add to the experience which are missing in extracted mescalne (but don't have enough experience to differentiate this for myself); but my citrate experiences have been excellent.
hey onward33, Thanks for the input! how is that nausea compared to other psychedelics, does it t last throughout the trip? yeah I get the sense now that it will be unavoidable but i'll follow the various advice to minimize it. yeah I also don't like an underwhelming experience, I'd rather be surprised and go for an unexpected adventure than feel underwhelmed, but with these long lasting trips it can be daunting if one is unprepared.
 
hey onward33, Thanks for the input! how is that nausea compared to other psychedelics, does it t last throughout the trip? yeah I get the sense now that it will be unavoidable but i'll follow the various advice to minimize it. yeah I also don't like an underwhelming experience, I'd rather be surprised and go for an unexpected adventure than feel underwhelmed, but with these long lasting trips it can be daunting if one is unprepared.
For me, generally, it is throughout the trip on and off, but manageable. Some trips been worse than others, but never ruined the experience for me. I would say for me it was similar to how I feel coming up on LSD, where I often get mid-level nauseua - not enough to barf, but not 100% comfortable (for me though the nausea with L goes away when im past coming up). Everyone's different as Im sure you know, so only one way to find out. I'd say if you really want to try mescaline, do what you can to prevent it, be healthy and rested going in, and "let it go" and enjoy the experience alongside the discomfort if you do indeed experience it.
 
Hey doubledog, Thanks! that's the kind of thing I was hoping for, could you please give a little bit more detail or point me out to a thread about it, I tried to look it up but couldn't find it. does it have to be 99% ethanol and will the goods be in the alcohol at the end?

There were some old threads about this approach, but I am not able to find it now.

However, it's quite simple: make a brew, reduce it to low volume (when it become syrupy), add ethanol to precipitate mucilage. Use any strong ethanol, imo resulting liquid should be 80-90%, do not forget that cactus syrup still have some water in it.
Separate it by decanting and filtration, cactus goods will stay in liquid. Cool the liquid, more sediment could form (even crystaline, but it's not mescaline 😉), separate liquid again and evaporate it.
Result is a crude cactus extract with very interesting (really awful) taste, but do not try to taste it, put it into the capsules. It will not be dry material, more like thick honey, it seems to be also hygroscopic ( my guess is that due to presence of some sugars or salts), it can dissolve the capsules, so do not store in them too long.

There will be some nausea most likely, be ready for it. Ime cactus nausea is not that strong, and can be diminished by eating some small bites of fruits or vegetables (tomatoes are great). Do not fast before ingestion.
 
There were some old threads about this approach, but I am not able to find it now.

However, it's quite simple: make a brew, reduce it to low volume (when it become syrupy), add ethanol to precipitate mucilage. Use any strong ethanol, imo resulting liquid should be 80-90%, do not forget that cactus syrup still have some water in it.
Separate it by decanting and filtration, cactus goods will stay in liquid. Cool the liquid, more sediment could form (even crystaline, but it's not mescaline 😉), separate liquid again and evaporate it.
Result is a crude cactus extract with very interesting (really awful) taste, but do not try to taste it, put it into the capsules. It will not be dry material, more like thick honey, it seems to be also hygroscopic ( my guess is that due to presence of some sugars or salts), it can dissolve the capsules, so do not store in them too long.

There will be some nausea most likely, be ready for it. Ime cactus nausea is not that strong, and can be diminished by eating some small bites of fruits or vegetables (tomatoes are great). Do not fast before ingestion.
Cut and pasted this from another board. It seems similar.

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This is a method I’ve talked about before but was hesitant until recently to post because it didn’t work well for all cacti types, most but not all. Now I have found an extra step to ensure a clean end product.

—————

Take your fresh cactus and de-spine only if it’s a species with large in-the-way spines, otherwise don’t worry about it. Cut it into slices like a loaf of bread, thin as you can without making it a hassle, especially if you have a lot to cut. Once you have your slices, cut them into fourths and place into mason jar/s leaving a little room at the top.

Mix up 50/50 solution of distilled vinegar and distilled water, pour in just enough to cover the cacti material. Now let these jar/s set with occasional shaking (often as you remember) for 2-3 weeks. Once finished decant off the solution through a fine metal mesh filter, don’t try to use a coffee filter it’s too viscous.

As it pours take note of its viscosity, they’ll always have some viscosity to them but look for times where it comes out almost as a gel. (You’ll learn the more times you do this TEK.) This will be one indicator whether you’ll need to do the additional step I speak of below.

You can do a second soak on the cacti material for another 1-2wks for a yield that will equal about 30% of your first, note the second soak will pull many more impurities as well.

Take these water/vinegar extractions and dry them in a glass Pyrex tray, preferably with a heating fan to speed it up. Some fan at least, heating element or not..

Once fully dry, add a minimal amount of distilled water (you can always add more, you can’t take away less) and scrape up, stir and swirl the extract with the water to dissolve the very soluble alkaloids. It’s ok to not dissolve everything, but try to get close while using minimal amount of water to do it. Even better to use water you’ve warmed a bit over the stove. Once again take note of the viscosity, is it fairly liquid or literal snot/mucus?

Decant off solution into a taller possibly skinny container, put this in the fridge. We want to precipitate out the garbage, the acetate alkaloids are soluble enough to not precipitate. Leave for 48hrs. Upon returning very carefully decant off the solution into the glass Pyrex tray and again dry out completely.

Now that we’ve dried a second time it can either be used as is or a second step can be performed. Most of the time this second step isn’t needed, but if the cacti used has alot of fats/lipids/crap? the end extract will be much less pure and nearly impossible to reconstitute and use in water without vomiting from the cum like texture. You can scrape up the product first and see if the yield/purity seems acceptable. No matter what this next step won’t hurt.

Step 2 involves scraping up the extract best you can in the dish, then add some alcohol, methanol 99%, ethanol 96% or isopropyl 99%. A minimal amount but still more generous then the water used in the last step, the insoluble impurities are really insoluble in the alcohols so it’s not nearly as important and the alcohol will begin evaporating quickly too.

Scrape/stir/swirl the alcohol best you can, notice how the extract loses its color and becomes pale insoluble garbage while the alcohol takes on the color of the extract. Look for that color in any extract in the pan and make sure it seems fully saturated and pale of color by the time your done.

Carefully decant off this liquid, this time through a coffee filter. Expect some time for filtration, maybe 30-90min. Let it pour into a clean glass Pyrex. Once again let dry fully to have your final product.

Using this method it’s possible to get extract that usually is used in doses of 1-3g. It can often fit in 5-10 capsules or be reconstituted in an easy to take (yet still not pleasant, just nowhere near as bad) shot of liquid. Obviously YMMV with variation in cacti potency, extraction variables, etc.

In the end this is the way to do it. This has even been tried doing this the other way around with the alcohol pulls first, much more impurities come over. This is the best way to easy-to-consume crude extract.

_____________________


He said later in the thread that you could likely boil initially instead of soak if you desire.
 
There were some old threads about this approach, but I am not able to find it now.

However, it's quite simple: make a brew, reduce it to low volume (when it become syrupy), add ethanol to precipitate mucilage. Use any strong ethanol, imo resulting liquid should be 80-90%, do not forget that cactus syrup still have some water in it.
Separate it by decanting and filtration, cactus goods will stay in liquid. Cool the liquid, more sediment could form (even crystaline, but it's not mescaline 😉), separate liquid again and evaporate it.
Result is a crude cactus extract with very interesting (really awful) taste, but do not try to taste it, put it into the capsules. It will not be dry material, more like thick honey, it seems to be also hygroscopic ( my guess is that due to presence of some sugars or salts), it can dissolve the capsules, so do not store in them too long.

There will be some nausea most likely, be ready for it. Ime cactus nausea is not that strong, and can be diminished by eating some small bites of fruits or vegetables (tomatoes are great). Do not fast before ingestion.
Thanks a lot! that sounds like a nice and simple approach and I'm leaning towards it.

I am having fun thoughts of making ginger lemon honey mescaline cactus shaped gummies haha, the end product of the alcohol degunking seems like a good starting material.
 
Gummies could be very practical form, good idea.
It seems to be better than capsules - to put sticky honey like material into capsules is exercise in patience.
Could you please share a recipe how are these gummies made?
 
Cut and pasted this from another board. It seems similar.

_____

This is a method I’ve talked about before but was hesitant until recently to post because it didn’t work well for all cacti types, most but not all. Now I have found an extra step to ensure a clean end product.

—————

Take your fresh cactus and de-spine only if it’s a species with large in-the-way spines, otherwise don’t worry about it. Cut it into slices like a loaf of bread, thin as you can without making it a hassle, especially if you have a lot to cut. Once you have your slices, cut them into fourths and place into mason jar/s leaving a little room at the top.

Mix up 50/50 solution of distilled vinegar and distilled water, pour in just enough to cover the cacti material. Now let these jar/s set with occasional shaking (often as you remember) for 2-3 weeks. Once finished decant off the solution through a fine metal mesh filter, don’t try to use a coffee filter it’s too viscous.

As it pours take note of its viscosity, they’ll always have some viscosity to them but look for times where it comes out almost as a gel. (You’ll learn the more times you do this TEK.) This will be one indicator whether you’ll need to do the additional step I speak of below.

You can do a second soak on the cacti material for another 1-2wks for a yield that will equal about 30% of your first, note the second soak will pull many more impurities as well.

Take these water/vinegar extractions and dry them in a glass Pyrex tray, preferably with a heating fan to speed it up. Some fan at least, heating element or not..

Once fully dry, add a minimal amount of distilled water (you can always add more, you can’t take away less) and scrape up, stir and swirl the extract with the water to dissolve the very soluble alkaloids. It’s ok to not dissolve everything, but try to get close while using minimal amount of water to do it. Even better to use water you’ve warmed a bit over the stove. Once again take note of the viscosity, is it fairly liquid or literal snot/mucus?

Decant off solution into a taller possibly skinny container, put this in the fridge. We want to precipitate out the garbage, the acetate alkaloids are soluble enough to not precipitate. Leave for 48hrs. Upon returning very carefully decant off the solution into the glass Pyrex tray and again dry out completely.

Now that we’ve dried a second time it can either be used as is or a second step can be performed. Most of the time this second step isn’t needed, but if the cacti used has alot of fats/lipids/crap? the end extract will be much less pure and nearly impossible to reconstitute and use in water without vomiting from the cum like texture. You can scrape up the product first and see if the yield/purity seems acceptable. No matter what this next step won’t hurt.

Step 2 involves scraping up the extract best you can in the dish, then add some alcohol, methanol 99%, ethanol 96% or isopropyl 99%. A minimal amount but still more generous then the water used in the last step, the insoluble impurities are really insoluble in the alcohols so it’s not nearly as important and the alcohol will begin evaporating quickly too.

Scrape/stir/swirl the alcohol best you can, notice how the extract loses its color and becomes pale insoluble garbage while the alcohol takes on the color of the extract. Look for that color in any extract in the pan and make sure it seems fully saturated and pale of color by the time your done.

Carefully decant off this liquid, this time through a coffee filter. Expect some time for filtration, maybe 30-90min. Let it pour into a clean glass Pyrex. Once again let dry fully to have your final product.

Using this method it’s possible to get extract that usually is used in doses of 1-3g. It can often fit in 5-10 capsules or be reconstituted in an easy to take (yet still not pleasant, just nowhere near as bad) shot of liquid. Obviously YMMV with variation in cacti potency, extraction variables, etc.

In the end this is the way to do it. This has even been tried doing this the other way around with the alcohol pulls first, much more impurities come over. This is the best way to easy-to-consume crude extract.

_____________________


He said later in the thread that you could likely boil initially instead of soak if you desire.
Thank you brokedownpalace10, I came across that post, it looks like they're doing water pulls followed by alcohol pulls, mescaline citrate is soluble in both so that sounds like a good approach but their process seems unnecessarily long, I'll read it more carefully and see how to make it faster. maybe i'll try that with half the tea and the other half doubledog's suggestion
 
Gummies could be very practical form, good idea.
It seems to be better than capsules - to put sticky honey like material into capsules is exercise in patience.
Could you please share a recipe how are these gummies made?
I never made gummies before so I am looking into recipes and getting suggestions from gpt. I'd like to make semi-hard gummies, here's what I have in mind so far.

- reduce mescaline containing liquid to 100 ml
- add 1 gram citric acid and juice and zest of 1 lemon, the acidity and lemon oils should help mask the bitterness
- 2 table spoons of honey
- 1 teaspoon of ginger powder
- 3 grams of agar
- once congealed, dust with ginger powder to keep it dry, maybe also a bit of sugar and citric powder

I'll experiment with a dud version first to get the recipe right and I'll definitely post the active recipe if it is a success
 
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