First of all, welcome to the Nexus. What My Blue Bear has learned from his previous failures is that rushing is a no-no. Even with powered bark, doing a complete extraction is not in your best interest. If you let it soak for a few hours and do all of your pulls over the course of a few days you a)get a better yield and b)you don't have to sit there for half a day next to your container. Second, not to bash your vendor, but alot of things look like mimosa powder, so be careful. Although safety is important, I'll bet almost everyone here has gotten some lye stew on their hands and it's not a big deal. If ever you feel the container building up, just open it up for a bit. The lazyman tek has always appeared pretty wacky, noman's just seems better put together. Good luck
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just a note, lye IS dangerous. Maybe a little bit in the hand and quickly washed is not so bad, but if it gets in the eye it can really blind you... Also given a certain quantity, a lye solution in the hand can make a very nasty burn. Always wear gloves and glasses.
geeg30
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www.adenium.com.br/mimosa is one of the best sources for cheap and great quality MHRB. SWIM highly recommends.
Powdered bark is fine. I do not recommend the lazy man's tek, instead (if you want a specific tek) use Noman's.
Extractions can be fast, my friend can finish an extraction the same day he starts if he wants to. He hasn't noticed any effect in yield from waiting extra hours.
By reading a few teks you'll see the extraction process is really simple and can be simplified to a small number of steps.
My friend does extractions of 100g root bark, here's pretty much exactly what my friend follows every time;
1) Add 1 liter of water to a 1500 ml jar.
2) Add 100 grams of sodium hydroxide to the jar, close the lid and swirl it around so it all mixes in, let it cool down so that it is warm but not hot to touch.
3) Add 100 grams of MHRB to the jar, then shake it until it is all absorbed evenly, it will appear as black water.
4) Add 100 ml or more of naphtha solvent to the jar and close the lid, it will sit on top as a separate layer.
5) Swirl the jar occasionally for one hour, the naphtha should get absorbed into the mix then return to the top each time you agitate it.
6) After one hour, when the naphtha has returned to the top again; separate it from the jar with a pipette or turkey baster and squirt it into a glass dish. Be careful not to take any of the black MHRB mix.
7) Add 100 ml or more of naphtha solvent to the jar, close the lid, swirl for 5 minutes, then wait for the naphtha to separate to the top again, then pull the naphtha off with the pipette or turkey baster. Repeat this at least 3 more times.
8 ) Put the dish in a warm (~room temperature), well ventilated area and wait for it to evaporate (roughly 8 hours depending on the surface area exposure, the wider/flatter the better).
9) When the naphtha has evaporated you will be left with the DMT, it will appear crystalline.
My friend has found the acid step of teks to be completely useless, not affecting yield or spice quality so he doesn't waste time, material and money on what would be extra steps.
He uses powdered bark.
When the naphtha has almost completely evaporated you can add a fan to speed it up, generally takes about another 5 minutes when my friend does this and he doesn't find it degrades the DMT as it's only for the last few minutes to aid in drying.
For better yields, put each naphtha pull into its own dish to evaporate.
For safety, add the sodium hydroxide slowly, and alleviate the jar occasionally during the first few steps (to avoid the jar smashing from pressure build up).
Where eye protection, rubber gloves, be sensible, have vinegar ready to neutralize lye spillages and you should be fine.
Extractions can be fast, my friend can finish an extraction the same day he starts if he wants to. He hasn't noticed any effect in yield from waiting extra hours.
By reading a few teks you'll see the extraction process is really simple and can be simplified to a small number of steps.
My friend does extractions of 100g root bark, here's pretty much exactly what my friend follows every time;
1) Add 1 liter of water to a 1500 ml jar.
2) Add 100 grams of sodium hydroxide to the jar, close the lid and swirl it around so it all mixes in, let it cool down so that it is warm but not hot to touch.
3) Add 100 grams of MHRB to the jar, then shake it until it is all absorbed evenly, it will appear as black water.
4) Add 100 ml or more of naphtha solvent to the jar and close the lid, it will sit on top as a separate layer.
5) Swirl the jar occasionally for one hour, the naphtha should get absorbed into the mix then return to the top each time you agitate it.
6) After one hour, when the naphtha has returned to the top again; separate it from the jar with a pipette or turkey baster and squirt it into a glass dish. Be careful not to take any of the black MHRB mix.
7) Add 100 ml or more of naphtha solvent to the jar, close the lid, swirl for 5 minutes, then wait for the naphtha to separate to the top again, then pull the naphtha off with the pipette or turkey baster. Repeat this at least 3 more times.
8 ) Put the dish in a warm (~room temperature), well ventilated area and wait for it to evaporate (roughly 8 hours depending on the surface area exposure, the wider/flatter the better).
9) When the naphtha has evaporated you will be left with the DMT, it will appear crystalline.
My friend has found the acid step of teks to be completely useless, not affecting yield or spice quality so he doesn't waste time, material and money on what would be extra steps.
He uses powdered bark.
When the naphtha has almost completely evaporated you can add a fan to speed it up, generally takes about another 5 minutes when my friend does this and he doesn't find it degrades the DMT as it's only for the last few minutes to aid in drying.
For better yields, put each naphtha pull into its own dish to evaporate.
For safety, add the sodium hydroxide slowly, and alleviate the jar occasionally during the first few steps (to avoid the jar smashing from pressure build up).
Where eye protection, rubber gloves, be sensible, have vinegar ready to neutralize lye spillages and you should be fine.
It's not as efficient because there is a slight decrease in yield, since you lose some product as well as some contaminates/impurities that might of got into your naphtha.Crisp said:
Also, you lose some dmt in the filter.
Some people like to get it as pure as possible and don't mind losing product.
My friend doesn't. He finds it's already very pure when he has evaporated it, him and his friends have never found it to be harsh to smoke.
Btw, my friend doesn't even open the window and the naphtha doesn't leave a smell.
He usually yields 1-1.5g from 100g bark. (20-30 doses or so)
He doesn't follow a particular tek, so the 2 day pull he's never done, but it should still yield a small amount, you can never really get all the dmt out, but eventually it becomes such a small amount that it's not worth it.
But he doesn't throw away his jars with the mhrb mix in them, he combines pulls weeks later.
He really needs to get some xylene so he can pull even more goodies.
It's not really an issue.Crisp said:
Lye is almost insoluble in naphtha, therefore, if you're pulling naphtha and not the black sludge, then you'd have a very difficult time trying to get anywhere near a harmful amount of lye into your product.
It's harder to get a dangerous amount in there then it is to not.
My friend is careful when he's pulling the naphtha, if any black sludge does get in the pipette/turkey baster, then he squirts it back into the jar and cleans the pipette. It's easy to avoid problems.
I'm not too sure what you mean by this, sorry.Crisp said:
The bark that's been sitting for a week will usually pull a few hundred milligrams.Crisp said:
The last one he did he left for nearly two weeks after pulling about a gram from it already, and it got roughly 250 mg dmt. He agitated it almost once a day during the 2 weeks.
