Advice on vaping device & setup

[Nelf]

Hi, beautiful folks out there!

I have been using DMT for some time now, primarily vaporizing it as a crystalline freebase in a VaporGenie Glass Sherlock but also partly smoking changa in a joint. Since I have had some overwhelming and profound journeys through this substance, I would like to share this with my wife.
While I no longer consider the taste/smell (mainly changa) disgusting, it literally makes my wife vomit. Hence, it's a zero percent chance, she's going to try the changa. The GVG on the other hand is undoubtedly a gorgeous instrument, however, it requires some practice before a dose can be taken efficiently and effectively. I therefore do not consider this to be a suitable method either.

So far, I have read a bit about DMT vape pens and also seen them at festivals. As far as I can tell, the production of vape juice is not a real rocket science and both, handling and dosage (she has the utmost respect and definitely wants to work her way up slowly), are comparatively simple.
Long story short: I think a vape device is a very legitimate option and would like to give it a try. Unfortunately, not all aspects are completely clear to me yet; therefore, I'd love to draw on the community's swarm expertise.

1. I have found various device recommendations in guides/ posts, but they all seemed too bulky and clunky to me. At best, I would prefer a vape pen with a minimalist design to fit in my pocket easily. Simultaneously, the device should be of high quality (materials & workmanship), durable, and - of course - functional. I don't mind spending a little more money if I end up with a good and reliable tool. Unfortunately, I have not found out which specifications (watts, amps, volts) are necessary or whether certain devices without a temperature control are generally unsuitable. Do you have a recommendation for me? Any specific brand or model? What else do I need in addition to the mod (e.g., cartridge/ tank, coil, curved drip tip, etc.)?
2. For my wife's sake, I would like to remove the original taste as much as possible. Though, I've read that even with a vape pen, the vapor can still be reminiscent of the typical DMT taste. By adding flavors, this can be “drowned out” somewhat. However, I became aware that adding flavors poses a certain risk of the flavoring liquid reacting with the DMT which may cause undesired side effects. How would you judge the taste of a vape pen and would a supplementary flavoring make sense in your opinion (feel free to recommend tested and approved products)?

I am very grateful for any input; thanks a million in advance!
Cheers

 

[pantostao]

This needs some basic introductory knowledge so you can choose yourself:

1.- Carts vs Sub-ohm atomizers.
Vape liquid can be used in either of those two. They are basically the same, but the materials are a bit different. Carts use a higher resistance values (around 1.2 ohms) while sub-ohm tanks, as the name implies, use lower resistance values (around 0.3 ohms).

This means carts deliver less liquid/vapor per hit. This means you should tune your liquid potency to your atomizer. Carts are usually made stronger (1 to 3 parts of DMT per 1 part of liquid), while sub-ohm liquid can be made weaker (1 part of DMT per 3-6 parts of liquid).

Carts are usually smaller (0.5-1ml) and require less power, so if you want something smaller/less bulky, this is probably the best option of the two. Those vape pens you see around are carts.

2.- Liquid (PG/VG/PEG400). Flavour.

DMT is way more soluble in PG than VG. It's also supposedly more soluble in PEG400 but I haven't tried that one.
PG carries flavour better than VG. That's why most vape liquid "aromas" (concentrated flavour additives) are usualy mixed into 100%PG.

Most people use straight DMT mixed with their liquid of choice, without adding any aromas. In your case, these aromas might be worth looking into if you want to try to mask DMT flavour. I'm guessing a couple drops of a minty flavour would work perfectly with this.

If you're using a cart, and thus, a high potency liquid (>1:1 ratio) I'd recommend not using any VG, because DMT will recrystallize.

3.- Freebase vs. salts

Lots of info on this

I've found that using a small amount of citric acid adds some lemonish flavour that's pretty decent. I wouldn't say it's my favorite flavour in the world, but it's better than freebase liquid.

 

[Transform]

Hi, beautiful folks out there!

I have been using DMT for some time now, primarily vaporizing it as a crystalline freebase in a VaporGenie Glass Sherlock but also partly smoking changa in a joint. Since I have had some overwhelming and profound journeys through this substance, I would like to share this with my wife.
While I no longer consider the taste/smell (mainly changa) disgusting, it literally makes my wife vomit. Hence, it's a zero percent chance, she's going to try the changa. The GVG on the other hand is undoubtedly a gorgeous instrument, however, it requires some practice before a dose can be taken efficiently and effectively. I therefore do not consider this to be a suitable method either.

So far, I have read a bit about DMT vape pens and also seen them at festivals. As far as I can tell, the production of vape juice is not a real rocket science and both, handling and dosage (she has the utmost respect and definitely wants to work her way up slowly), are comparatively simple.
Long story short: I think a vape device is a very legitimate option and would like to give it a try. Unfortunately, not all aspects are completely clear to me yet; therefore, I'd love to draw on the community's swarm expertise.

1. I have found various device recommendations in guides/ posts, but they all seemed too bulky and clunky to me. At best, I would prefer a vape pen with a minimalist design to fit in my pocket easily. Simultaneously, the device should be of high quality (materials & workmanship), durable, and - of course - functional. I don't mind spending a little more money if I end up with a good and reliable tool. Unfortunately, I have not found out which specifications (watts, amps, volts) are necessary or whether certain devices without a temperature control are generally unsuitable. Do you have a recommendation for me? Any specific brand or model? What else do I need in addition to the mod (e.g., cartridge/ tank, coil, curved drip tip, etc.)?
2. For my wife's sake, I would like to remove the original taste as much as possible. Though, I've read that even with a vape pen, the vapor can still be reminiscent of the typical DMT taste. By adding flavors, this can be “drowned out” somewhat. However, I became aware that adding flavors poses a certain risk of the flavoring liquid reacting with the DMT which may cause undesired side effects. How would you judge the taste of a vape pen and would a supplementary flavoring make sense in your opinion (feel free to recommend tested and approved products)?

I am very grateful for any input; thanks a million in advance!
Cheers

Firstly, I hope your wife doesn't fall into the small subset of people who find DMT + harmalas intrinsically nauseating. A few people seem to have 5-HTR or TAAR wiring that somehow makes them especially sensitive. Or it could (also) be a learned response.

On to the main question: it would probably be best to look into the 'HIELO' DMT honey oil approach to making the juice. This should make a product with a more tolerable aroma, since the amount of freebase in the juice is reduced to an acceptable, and minimal, level (i.e., the DMT is largely present in the salt form).

You mention changa, but do you mean this in the sense of herbs plus DMT - which one might more properly call 'enhanced leaf' - or was this the actual, 'classic' changa, with harmala alkaloids as well? Replicating the combined formula in the form of e-juiced has proved difficult, largely because of difficulties in getting the harmala alkaloids to dissolve in the PG. One way around this is to dose the harmalas sublingually about half an hour beforehand, or to take them orally. However, this may still prove difficult for your wife as the harmalas can make some people feel nauseous too, especially if their diet isn't so great - so there's another thing to think about. Have an explore of our harmala section while you're at it.

Once you have made the juice and loaded it into a suitable device you might as well check how well tolerated it is before starting to add any flavouring. There's probably a ton of information on vape juice aromas on one of the vape forums. Going gentle on it would be my advice.

The actual device itself is outside of my particular field of knowledge, although I do get the impression that bulk packs of empty cart pens can be obtained for a reasonable price. I'm not sure about their reusability, so I'd flag that as a concern if looking into this any further. [Edit: I see that @pantostao has made a good outline of that topic while I was still typing.]

Finally, in view of your last question I'd like to remind all prospective repliers that sourcing discussions for anything other than live plants and seeds are strictly forbidden - so, no links to any king of pre-filled devices will be tolerated. Thank you for your understanding.

Anyhow, I hope some or all of this helps in some way - and do keep us updated with news of your progress!

 

[pantostao]

Post-Edit:

On batteries for cartridges. There are a gazillion batteries that will work for this. From really cheap chinese ones (around 2-5 euros "510 batteries") to customizable ones like the Yocan Uni Pro (20-40€). If you don't mind spending some more, the yocan works well and its "pocket friendly". But I bought 5 cheap ones as gifts for my friends and they all work perfectly as well. I got all 5 cheaper than 1 yocan uni pro, so there's that.

As @Transform said, bulk carts are pretty cheap. So cheap that I don't bother re-filling them when empty, but I'm pretty sure that they would work for more than a single charge.

If you're going the sub-ohm route, I would try to find a better battery (usually called "mods"). Brands like Geekvape and Vaporesso come to mind, but there are lots of them.

Aaaand if you're getting a "proper" mod, I'd suggest looking into e-mesh setups to substitute your GVG. You'd need the mod, + a mesh RDA. This is getting harder to source nowadays, but chinese clones of brand names do the job.

 

[Nelf]

Hey
and first of all, thank you both for your very quick and comprehensive answers!

This needs some basic introductory knowledge so you can choose yourself:

1.- Carts vs Sub-ohm atomizers.
Vape liquid can be used in either of those two. They are basically the same, but the materials are a bit different. Carts use a higher resistance values (around 1.2 ohms) while sub-ohm tanks, as the name implies, use lower resistance values (around 0.3 ohms).

This means carts deliver less liquid/vapor per hit. This means you should tune your liquid potency to your atomizer. Carts are usually made stronger (1 to 3 parts of DMT per 1 part of liquid), while sub-ohm liquid can be made weaker (1 part of DMT per 3-6 parts of liquid).

Carts are usually smaller (0.5-1ml) and require less power, so if you want something smaller/less bulky, this is probably the best option of the two. Those vape pens you see around are carts.

2.- Liquid (PG/VG/PEG400). Flavour.

DMT is way more soluble in PG than VG. It's also supposedly more soluble in PEG400 but I haven't tried that one.
PG carries flavour better than VG. That's why most vape liquid "aromas" (concentrated flavour additives) are usualy mixed into 100%PG.

Most people use straight DMT mixed with their liquid of choice, without adding any aromas. In your case, these aromas might be worth looking into if you want to try to mask DMT flavour. I'm guessing a couple drops of a minty flavour would work perfectly with this.

If you're using a cart, and thus, a high potency liquid (>1:1 ratio) I'd recommend not using any VG, because DMT will recrystallize.

3.- Freebase vs. salts

Lots of info on this

I've found that using a small amount of citric acid adds some lemonish flavour that's pretty decent. I wouldn't say it's my favorite flavour in the world, but it's better than freebase liquid.

You're absolutely right - and your post made it even clearer to me - that I am at a very early stage in terms of knowledge. However, your explanation helped me a lot to understand the basics and differences between the two options. Actually, I was always confused by the various ohm figures and how these relate... Thanks a lot.

Based on your description, I would probably even tend towards the sub-ohm variant, as the amount of DMT consumed per hit is lower. This would make it easier for my wife to work her way up slowly. I assume the downside is that, logically, it is more difficult to break through on a sub-ohm as you need to vape a lot before the body starts to metabolize the substance, right?
I personally like the design and simplicity of vape pens, however, I'm increasingly getting the feeling that these are of less quality overall and more of a disposable nature, whereas the mods + sub-ohm atomizers have more of a reusable and durable character. Might be wrong on this one though.

I can probably answer my own question by doing 3 minutes of Google research, but why use VG at all when a DMT-PG mix is much more beneficial?

Firstly, I hope your wife doesn't fall into the small subset of people who find DMT + harmalas intrinsically nauseating. A few people seem to have 5-HTR or TAAR wiring that somehow makes them especially sensitive. Or it could (also) be a learned response.

On to the main question: it would probably be best to look into the 'HIELO' DMT honey oil approach to making the juice. This should make a product with a more tolerable aroma, since the amount of freebase in the juice is reduced to an acceptable, and minimal, level (i.e., the DMT is largely present in the salt form).

You mention changa, but do you mean this in the sense of herbs plus DMT - which one might more properly call 'enhanced leaf' - or was this the actual, 'classic' changa, with harmala alkaloids as well? Replicating the combined formula in the form of e-juiced has proved difficult, largely because of difficulties in getting the harmala alkaloids to dissolve in the PG. One way around this is to dose the harmalas sublingually about half an hour beforehand, or to take them orally. However, this may still prove difficult for your wife as the harmalas can make some people feel nauseous too, especially if their diet isn't so great - so there's another thing to think about. Have an explore of our harmala section while you're at it.

Once you have made the juice and loaded it into a suitable device you might as well check how well tolerated it is before starting to add any flavouring. There's probably a ton of information on vape juice aromas on one of the vape forums. Going gentle on it would be my advice.

The actual device itself is outside of my particular field of knowledge, although I do get the impression that bulk packs of empty cart pens can be obtained for a reasonable price. I'm not sure about their reusability, so I'd flag that as a concern if looking into this any further. [Edit: I see that @pantostao has made a good outline of that topic while I was still typing.]

Finally, in view of your last question I'd like to remind all prospective repliers that sourcing discussions for anything other than live plants and seeds are strictly forbidden - so, no links to any king of pre-filled devices will be tolerated. Thank you for your understanding.

Anyhow, I hope some or all of this helps in some way - and do keep us updated with news of your progress!

Thanks for the link! Sounds interesting, I will definitely have a look at it!

Sorry, my bad. I was referring to enhanced leaf when I said changa. Also, I only mentioned this as the smell when smoking caused even more nausea and rejection from my wife. I appreciate your hint about consuming the Harmala sublingually though.

Don't worry, I won't ask or buy anything from anyone. I only meant the flavor liquids, but thanks for the pointer. Well noted

 

[Nelf]

Post-Edit:

On batteries for cartridges. There are a gazillion batteries that will work for this. From really cheap chinese ones (around 2-5 euros "510 batteries") to customizable ones like the Yocan Uni Pro (20-40€). If you don't mind spending some more, the yocan works well and its "pocket friendly". But I bought 5 cheap ones as gifts for my friends and they all work perfectly as well. I got all 5 cheaper than 1 yocan uni pro, so there's that.

As @Transform said, bulk carts are pretty cheap. So cheap that I don't bother re-filling them when empty, but I'm pretty sure that they would work for more than a single charge.

If you're going the sub-ohm route, I would try to find a better battery (usually called "mods"). Brands like Geekvape and Vaporesso come to mind, but there are lots of them.

Aaaand if you're getting a "proper" mod, I'd suggest looking into e-mesh setups to substitute your GVG. You'd need the mod, + a mesh RDA. This is getting harder to source nowadays, but chinese clones of brand names do the job.

Thanks again

As indicated in my previous reply, I feel that, contrary to my initial idea of buying a vape pen, the sub-ohm version might be the better option for me (i.e. my wife). Is there anything to be aware of (technical specs) or is basically anything from 40 euros upwards good enough?

haha, I've already looked into the e-mesh, and as far as I understand it, it works without liquid. Instead, the freebase is placed directly on a mesh and vaporized (basically, it's an electric GVG). What I don't like about this setup are three things:

• It's an equivalent to the GVG and, to be fair, I really like the latter. I have absolutely no interest in replacing it.
  
• I do not see any possibility to mask the typical taste of DMT and therefore the setup would be inappropriate for my wife (unless she eventually gets used to the taste).
• I actually like the idea of not having to weigh the freebase after each hit, but simply vaping up until the moment I have reached my desired level. As I understand it, the dose to be consumed with e-mesh would have to be reweighed & reapplied after each use, no?

Cheers

 

[pantostao]

Based on your description, I would probably even tend towards the sub-ohm variant, as the amount of DMT consumed per hit is lower. This would make it easier for my wife to work her way up slowly. I assume the downside is that, logically, it is more difficult to break through on a sub-ohm as you need to vape a lot before the body starts to metabolize the substance, right?

This probably wasn't clear on my side, but I'll try to explain it better.

The sub-ohm will vaporize more liquid per hit than the pen. If the liquid is in the same concentration, you'll get much more DMT from a sub-ohm hit. That's why people usually recommend using a weaker liquid with the sub-ohm.

Pens are known to be a bit difficult to get high doses with. People are using higher and higher concentrations with them to compensate for the lower amount of liquid that they can vaporize in one hit.

Both can be used to work her way up slowly, it's a matter of taking smaller or bigger hits, and more of them.

I personally like the design and simplicity of vape pens, however, I'm increasingly getting the feeling that these are of less quality overall and more of a disposable nature, whereas the mods + sub-ohm atomizers have more of a reusable and durable characte

I agree 100% with that.

but why use VG at all when a DMT-PG mix is much more beneficial?

IMO there's little advantages to using VG. PG hits stronger on the throat than VG, so it can be used to make the liquid a bit less harsh. VG is sweeter and makes more vapour clouds. It appeals to the general vaping community, but I don't think there's a point in using it with DMT.
I only mentioned it because it does get used by lots of people.

Is there anything to be aware of (technical specs) or is basically anything from 40 euros upwards good enough?

Any mod will do the job. You might want to get one that supports Temperature Control mode if you eventually want to use it with an e-mesh set-up, but even then that's optional and I never use it.

Minty Love's site has lots of info on mods for TC mode, but I think any mod can fire a sub-ohm tank fine, they're primarily used for that.

Find one with a 510 connector, so it's cross-compatible with atomizers from different manufacturers, and that's it.

I do not see any possibility to mask the typical taste of DMT and therefore the setup would be inappropriate for my wife (unless she eventually gets used to the taste).

A perfectly tuned e-mesh set-up has the minimal taste possible. The bad taste and smell from DMT appear when it's burned, but when it's cleanly vaporized it doesn't smell like anything at all. I swear a good e-mesh hit feels almost like inhaling air. Hot air, but air.

I actually like the idea of not having to weigh the freebase after each hit, but simply vaping up until the moment I have reached my desired level. As I understand it, the dose to be consumed with e-mesh would have to be reweighed & reapplied after each use, no?

That's the biggest downside for me. Liquid vapes are miles ahead in that regard.

 

[Nelf]

This probably wasn't clear on my side, but I'll try to explain it better.

The sub-ohm will vaporize more liquid per hit than the pen. If the liquid is in the same concentration, you'll get much more DMT from a sub-ohm hit. That's why people usually recommend using a weaker liquid with the sub-ohm.

Admittedly, you explained it very well in your first post, but I didn't read it carefully enough.

I think I understand it now: the higher the ohm value, the higher the resistance when hitting the vape. Accordingly, each hit vaporizes less liquid and thus the volume of vapor produced is also smaller. The sub-ohm atomizers come with a significantly lower resistance, correspondingly more liquid consumption (hence the larger cartridges/tanks) and more vape volume per hit.

Pens are known to be a bit difficult to get high doses with. People are using higher and higher concentrations with them to compensate for the lower amount of liquid that they can vaporize in one hit.

Got it.

Both can be used to work her way up slowly, it's a matter of taking smaller or bigger hits, and more of them.

I get your point in general, however lung capacity is limited. So, with a

• vape pen + ohm cart (lower vape volume per hit), I'm able to simply pull longer to absorb more vapor and increase the DMT intake.
• mod + sub-ohm atomizer (higher vape volume per hit), I'm not able to pull much longer, as my lung volume is reached much faster. It is also difficult to hit the vape several times in a row, as the vapor has to be held for several seconds after each hit and the body starts to break down the DMT after a minute or so(?). Thus, the only way I see to increase the dose with this setup is to intensify the DMT ratio in the liquid, right?

IMO there's little advantages to using VG. PG hits stronger on the throat than VG, so it can be used to make the liquid a bit less harsh. VG is sweeter and makes more vapour clouds. It appeals to the general vaping community, but I don't think there's a point in using it with DMT.
I only mentioned it because it does get used by lots of people.

I'm a regular smoker, so a scratchy/harsh smoke doesn't bother me as much. On the other hand, I have frequently had severe coughing fits when having a changa joint, which usually ruined the journey entirely. My wife doesn't smoke (anymore), which makes me think that VG isn't such a bad idea in her case - especially as the sweetness might even mask the DMT taste a little.

To avoid recrystallization, I would start with a mixture of 1 part DMT to 2 parts PG and 1 part VG + a few drops of flavor (which is basically PG?). In total, this would make a ratio of 1:3.5 - what do you think?
I don't want to make it too weak though, so my wife has the possibility to increase the dose with the same liquid (my freebase supply is somewhat limited and I don't know if I can make a second, more concentrated juice with it...)

Any mod will do the job. You might want to get one that supports Temperature Control mode if you eventually want to use it with an e-mesh set-up, but even then that's optional and I never use it.

Minty Love's site has lots of info on mods for TC mode, but I think any mod can fire a sub-ohm tank fine, they're primarily used for that.

Find one with a 510 connector, so it's cross-compatible with atomizers from different manufacturers, and that's it.

OK, I will do some research - thanks!

A perfectly tuned e-mesh set-up has the minimal taste possible. The bad taste and smell from DMT appear when it's burned, but when it's cleanly vaporized it doesn't smell like anything at all. I swear a good e-mesh hit feels almost like inhaling air. Hot air, but air.

Valid point. Now that you mention it, I realize that I also very rarely smelled it when using the GVG and mainly know it from smoking enhanced leaf.
Even though I still consider reweighing to be cumbersome and annoying, I would like to keep the option open. Which is another good reason to choose the mod variant over the vape pen...

 

[Transform]

To avoid recrystallization, I would start with a mixture of 1 part DMT to 2 parts PG and 1 part VG + a few drops of flavor (which is basically PG?). In total, this would make a ratio of 1:3.5 - what do you think?

Remember to check out DMT citrate for juice too - the salt form will have a less penetrating odour as it's far less volatile than the freebase (and, as you may be aware, this isn't an issue for vaporisation because atomisers work by flash vaporising dissolved water in the e-juice, which breaks it up into the nebulised fog of droplets where the DMT remains in solution).

 

[Nelf]

Remember to check out DMT citrate for juice too - the salt form will have a less penetrating odour as it's far less volatile than the freebase (and, as you may be aware, this isn't an issue for vaporisation because atomisers work by flash vaporising dissolved water in the e-juice, which breaks it up into the nebulised fog of droplets where the DMT remains in solution).

I have and while it sounds very promising, it is an alternative method that requires MHRB - at least as I understand it. At the moment I'm not pulling my own DMT, but rather just starting with the crystalline end product. Hence, the HIELO approach is unfortunately not an option for me at the moment.

 

[pantostao]

I have and while it sounds very promising, it is an alternative method that requires MHRB - at least as I understand it. At the moment I'm not pulling my own DMT, but rather just starting with the crystalline end product. Hence, the HIELO approach is unfortunately not an option for me at the moment.

It doesn't need to be a completely separate process. You can just add acid to your liquid.

(For example, 1 part DMT, 2 parts PG, 0.3 parts citric acid)

 

[Transform]

It doesn't need to be a completely separate process. You can just add acid to your liquid.

(For example, 1 part DMT, 2 parts PG, 0.3 parts citric acid)

Yes, this process gets outlined in a post somewhere round here, maybe in the HIELO thread or a "DMT salts for ejuice" one. I certainly remember @The Traveler having reported how he did this. Monitoring pH may have been involved but is far from obligatory.

 

[EmeraldAtomiser]

Hi, beautiful folks out there!

I have been using DMT for some time now, primarily vaporizing it as a crystalline freebase in a VaporGenie Glass Sherlock but also partly smoking changa in a joint. Since I have had some overwhelming and profound journeys through this substance, I would like to share this with my wife.
While I no longer consider the taste/smell (mainly changa) disgusting, it literally makes my wife vomit. Hence, it's a zero percent chance, she's going to try the changa. The GVG on the other hand is undoubtedly a gorgeous instrument, however, it requires some practice before a dose can be taken efficiently and effectively. I therefore do not consider this to be a suitable method either.

So far, I have read a bit about DMT vape pens and also seen them at festivals. As far as I can tell, the production of vape juice is not a real rocket science and both, handling and dosage (she has the utmost respect and definitely wants to work her way up slowly), are comparatively simple.
Long story short: I think a vape device is a very legitimate option and would like to give it a try. Unfortunately, not all aspects are completely clear to me yet; therefore, I'd love to draw on the community's swarm expertise.

1. I have found various device recommendations in guides/ posts, but they all seemed too bulky and clunky to me. At best, I would prefer a vape pen with a minimalist design to fit in my pocket easily. Simultaneously, the device should be of high quality (materials & workmanship), durable, and - of course - functional. I don't mind spending a little more money if I end up with a good and reliable tool. Unfortunately, I have not found out which specifications (watts, amps, volts) are necessary or whether certain devices without a temperature control are generally unsuitable. Do you have a recommendation for me? Any specific brand or model? What else do I need in addition to the mod (e.g., cartridge/ tank, coil, curved drip tip, etc.)?
2. For my wife's sake, I would like to remove the original taste as much as possible. Though, I've read that even with a vape pen, the vapor can still be reminiscent of the typical DMT taste. By adding flavors, this can be “drowned out” somewhat. However, I became aware that adding flavors poses a certain risk of the flavoring liquid reacting with the DMT which may cause undesired side effects. How would you judge the taste of a vape pen and would a supplementary flavoring make sense in your opinion (feel free to recommend tested and approved products)?

I am very grateful for any input; thanks a million in advance!
Cheers

Hey there.
I find the little vape pens that you see online pre-filled are pretty bad. Airflow is too tight for me.
I tried some juice I made in my mod with a sub ohm and got way more than I bargained for. Dosing was tricky.
I recently purchased one of these Innokin Go S Pen Kit to test something smaller and not sub ohm. Works great! Air flow is adjustable and it's easy to get where you want to be. A big long hit will get you pretty far.
My juice was close to 50:50 vg/pg total 1.75ml with 1g spice

 

[Chance4373]

A perfectly tuned e-mesh set-up has the minimal taste possible. The bad taste and smell from DMT appear when it's burned, but when it's cleanly vaporized it doesn't smell like anything at all. I swear a good e-mesh hit feels almost like inhaling air. Hot air, but air.

This. Purity may also play a role in the taste as well but if vaporized with no burning I don't notice any taste.