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thatoneguy

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Can you extract DMT from alcohol by just letting it sit in alcohol for a week or so? I think i read that somewhere if not how does the alcohol extraction work? and if that is the way how strong does the alcohol have to be?

deoxy.org/smokedmt.htm I think this is the link I just cant open it
 
Suitable for oral consumption but really not suitable for smoking. I imagine that it would be much, much harsher than pure DMT smoke. Many people have trouble breaking through with pure crystals; imagine trying to smoke 150-250mgs of nasty smoking goo in a very short period of time to breakthrough.

An alcohol extraction would be easier to do an A/B on, but it really just adds a few steps to the extraction process and in my opinion unnecessary.
 
what do you mean? will it not be smokeable?

DMT is in its acidic state (DMT-HCL) in Mimosa Bark and most other natural sources. Its a salt and it will not form crystals, so you'll end up with more of a dirty goo. Which is not easy to vaporize without burning a lot of it, or desirable to smoke, for most folks. But combined with an MAOI, it will work just fine if taken orally.

Following most DMT extraction teks, you'll end up with Freebase DMT which forms crystals, they melt & vaporise clean & easily (although they can/will still burn if not vaporized correctly).
Freebase DMT is what you want if your planning to smoke your yield.

A Straight-To-Base (STB) tek is the quickest, easiest way to do things right. Although STB teks usually produce a bit dirtier spice (depending on which tek is used and how anal you are about getting pure DMT) and in a lot of cases, require recrystallizing to get nice, clear/white DMT crystals.

Acid-to-Base (A/B) teks usually have more steps and take a little longer to do but the DMT comes out cleaner in most cases, because those extra steps are getting rid of the oils and other impurities during the extraction, while the DMT is still in a liquid state. Rather than after the extraction, where its necessary to re-crystallize the DMT to "clean" it.
So the DMT is usually cleaner right out of the freeze precipitation.
However, if you do the extraction "lazily", or evaporate, instead of freeze precipitate to get the x-stals out of your solvent, there is still a chance you may need to "clean" the spice to get it "kitchen-pure".

WS
 
thatoneguy said:
ok but i still need to know how strong the alcohol needs to be.

Well since water works by itself (as long as it's not basic) any % of alcohol will do.

I advise against Isopropryl alcohol since it seems to form a colloidal instead of a solution, but if you are using ethanol any amount should work, from wine to 195 proof. If you want a quick evap time then a higher % is advisable, although it will cost more.
 
acolon_5 said:
thatoneguy said:
ok but i still need to know how strong the alcohol needs to be.

Well since water works by itself (as long as it's not basic) any % of alcohol will do.

I advise against Isopropryl alcohol since it seems to form a colloidal instead of a solution, but if you are using ethanol any amount should work, from wine to 195 proof. If you want a quick evap time then a higher % is advisable, although it will cost more.

Are you sure about that?

SWIM has never seen DMT form a colloid in IPA. SWIM uses IPA all the time. It's the only alcohol SWIM uses because it's cheap, effective, and easily found in USP grade over the counter.

Is there a particular saturation point where it forms a colloid in IPA?
 
69ron said:
acolon_5 said:
thatoneguy said:
ok but i still need to know how strong the alcohol needs to be.

Well since water works by itself (as long as it's not basic) any % of alcohol will do.

I advise against Isopropryl alcohol since it seems to form a colloidal instead of a solution, but if you are using ethanol any amount should work, from wine to 195 proof. If you want a quick evap time then a higher % is advisable, although it will cost more.

Are you sure about that?

SWIM has never seen DMT form a colloid in IPA. SWIM uses IPA all the time. It's the only alcohol SWIM uses because it's cheap, effective, and easily found in USP grade over the counter.

Is there a particular saturation point where it forms a colloid in IPA?

No, not positive, but every time I have made enhanced leaf with 99% IPA it won't dissolve (hot or cold makes no difference) but leaves very small specks suspended in the alcohol. What % are you using 69Ron? I suspect that a lower % would dissolve more spice than a higher % if I am right. Not sure about saturation point, that may be it, I use a couple 100mgs in about 75mL 99% IPA.
 
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