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Hi all, I've found that some DMT smokers and even Aya Drinkers occasionally encounter alien entities during their voyages. There seems to be a multitude of strange and wonderful beings in the DMT realms but there also seem to be many alien lifeforms too from mantis like creatues, insectoid bees, octopus beings, reptillians and greys and many others. Rick Strassman's studies on DMT also had alot of the test subjects report encountering strange alien beings, some benevolent, some not so. I find it interesting that throughout history, and even to this very day, there have been various reports of encountering alien intelligences, in dreams, abductions and various other scenarios. It's hard to tell just what these beings are and let alone what their doing and why however I've recently found these quotes from a Buddha GrandMaster and these are his views on these beings (although I don't think there all like this): [color=yellow:fd1b25704e]1)[/color:fd1b25704e] “Let me first explain what alien beings are all about. You know that this Earth isn’t the only planet with life in this universe, and Earth hasn’t existed just this once. I’m saying that at Earth’s position there were Earths that existed before. Those previous Earths were discarded. Some exploded. It happened many times—the number has been quite large. The final stage of an Earth has always been a time when its lives were the most corrupt and its matter was the most impure, so the Earth could no longer be kept. It would be eliminated since the whole sphere had turned into a ball of karma. The reason is, lives reincarnate . They reincarnate into soil, rocks, plants or matter, and regardless of what they are reborn as, they carry karma with them . Earth would become a ball of karma when karma was all over the place, so at that point it would be eliminated. There would still be some people on Earth who were relatively good, and those exceptionally few or extremely few ones were taken and placed onto another planet within the Three Realms. Yet through the ages this Earth has been replaced innumerable times and each time there were people who remained. So over time those remaining lives increased in number. The gods in each time period created humans with a different appearance, so the differences are quite substantial, and there are some who were created on other planets. These are alien beings. They’ve become like a record of history , placed there like a page of history left behind. That’s the function they serve, a minor one. They were left behind from the final stage of Earth during those times, and took with them the technology they had in those times over to other planets, so their starting point was more advanced. Over this long period of time, the knowledge of the universe they came to grasp far exceeds that of the inhabitants of today’s Earth. Their bodies can enter other dimensions and adjust to the mode of those dimensions they are in; they’ve developed to this stage. Those things they ride in that fly back and forth—those aircraft that human beings call flying saucers—can enter other dimensions and fly into other space-times. If they travel in a fast space-time, after being there for just a short while they traverse a long distance. So that speed is inconceivable to human beings. The types of fuel they use aren’t in the least the kinds of substances conceivable by the technology, theories, or concepts of modern science. Over the ages, these alien beings have continually been developing and metamorphosing. So in this universe there have really appeared the abnormal social relations that these kinds of lives have. Greed and lust have caused something like star wars to actually happen over where they live. They haven’t yet threatened humankind because humankind doesn’t have the ability to pose a threat to them . So they haven’t attacked humankind. They would attack humankind if you were to threaten them. Although alien beings haven’t attacked humankind, they know that a human body is the most perfect. They’ve thus taken a fancy to the human body and want to steal it. They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ’ thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to theirs, they just have to replace people’s souls and humans will become them, and they will eventually replace the human race. It’s a long story. They have been coming here full-scale since the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution in the West. They had come prior to that time, but they didn’t control people then. Their full-scale arrival began when Caucasian society entered the industrial age. They made full preparations and systematic arrangements for occupying this earth. It was they who created science for human beings. So this science was set up by aliens. Their purpose was to unify human beings and simplify their thoughts to the point of being as uniform as machines. And they unified knowledge to make it easy for them to later on control and replace human beings. Furthermore, they’ve chosen a few nationalities as the vanguards of their future, total control of humankind. Japan is the vanguard that drives technology. The United States is the vanguard in breaking away from all ancient cultures on earth. The cultures of even the most ancient and closed-off nations haven’t been able to escape. The whole world is being impacted by America’s modern culture. England was the vanguard in the manufacture of machinery during the early stages , and Spain was the vanguard for mixing the human races. The way alien beings get human beings to shake free of the gods is to mix the races, causing human beings to become rootless people, just like the plant hybrids people make nowadays. South Americans, Central Americans, Mexicans and some people in South East Asia— all of these races have been mixed. None of this can evade the gods’ eyes. Alien beings have made rather extensive preparations for overtaking human beings. Everyone who knows how to operate a computer has been registered. They have formed a layer of their body within the human body. It’s incredibly frightening! Everything people learn from elementary school right up through college is the science they brought , and everything that human beings use nowadays is the product of this omnipresent science. Why do the inspirations people get make computers and technology develop with such tremendous speed? It’s done by that layer of the body that alien beings formed so as to control the human race. It’s exactly because that system of their technology and science that has formed in the human body is making people’s minds do so. Today it’s incredible how developed computers are. But it is not a human technology. Man will be replaced by alien beings if it continues like this for long. But think about it, everyone: Alien beings are, after all, beings within the Three Realms, where ordinary humans are. There are other reasons why they dare to do this sort of thing. It has happened because the Fa of the universe has deviated and gods no longer look after things. So it has to do with high-level beings as well. If this situation is to be turned around, it has to begin from high levels. That’s because they have this idea that human beings are no longer any good, their morality has degenerated, and everything is perverted. So they think it’s all right to just replace them , given that they are going to be eliminated all the same. They have to pay for all of the bad things they’ve done, for sure. The principles of this universe are absolutely reasonable toward any life. So they have to answer for everything they’ve done. As for how their lives will eventually be dealt with, alien beings definitely won’t exist in the future. If there are truly good ones among the alien beings, then their lives can reincarnate as other lives. Bad lives will be eliminated. So every thing that every being does positions himself for the future . And that includes all human beings. Whatever a human being does positions him. That’s the situation as far as alien beings go. They are being swept out up there, and they found out about the cleaning, so they scurried over here, and in particularly large numbers in recent years. As of right now, most of the alien beings who have come here did so fleeing for their lives. They knew that in the end it would be hard for them to escape, so some alien beings have married Earth dwellers. But it’s not that they marry legitimately, because no one would marry them. They catch a village woman to leave behind their offspring. And there are those who are hiding among ordinary people. They can’t stay under cover no matter how they hide. Immense gong is coming up from the microscopic level. Whether it be steel, iron, wood, the human body, water, rocks, air, plants, animals, substances, etc., from the microscopic level of everything gong is coming up toward the surface. Tell me, where could they escape to? The gong is omnipresent and rushing up to the surface . So they’ve seen that there is no way to dodge it or to hide from it. How do they exist? They aren’t actually possessing spirits. But some of them have assumed man’s appearance and walk the streets . You have no idea who they are. Some have hidden and don’t come out. But the number is now small, very small. In the past they could hide , and their flying saucers could fly up and go to another dimension. But the other dimensions have all been cleaned up. Immense gong is rushing here and they can no longer hide. They can only hide in a cave or at the bottom of the sea in this dimension. Even so, they can’t stay concealed. Anyway, that’s the problem they face . All lives are position ing themselves in this affair. You should know that although alien beings brought their science to human beings to achieve their goals, gods are in charge of everything and are in turn using them.” [color=yellow:fd1b25704e]2)[/color:fd1b25704e] “Mankind was created by gods. That's an absolute truth. Why have extraterrestrial lives come to the earth so frequently? They have had many reasons. And those aside, they are in awe of the human body, in which they have seen so many things they had never seen before. The reason is, in the cosmos of the past, this environment--that is, these dimensions where the Three Realms now exist--was inhabited by a variety of lowly creatures, including what we refer to today as aliens. They are in fact lowly creatures that have gained a certain technological expertise. But then suddenly this cosmic body went through enormous changes, and human beings came into being as the world was created; a being such as man came into existence. Those alien creatures think, looking from that technological standpoint of theirs, that the composition of the human body, the entire design and functioning of the human body, is just so perfect. Of course, why is that the case? Because it was created by gods. Compared to those simple creatures, those lowly beings who at one time inhabited this dimension, the human body is something entirely different.” [color=yellow:fd1b25704e]3)[/color:fd1b25704e] “I’ve told you that in different dimensions it’s not that all beings are like the Buddhas and Gods everywhere in the heavens—beings differ quite substantially. There are also places like that of human beings, but few. Yet there are particularly more places like those of alien beings. They need to fly and need to use flying devices. Beings are extremely complex. There are worlds of all kinds and there’s great diversity in the cosmos. Now we only have white, yellow, and black races of humans on earth; over there, there are also green and blue ones, and even multi-colored ones. There are diverse ones of every sort, unlike anything you’ve imagined.” [color=yellow:fd1b25704e]4)[/color:fd1b25704e] In the past there wasn’t any human race. In this spot here where Earth is there were other planets before, and those planets had different structures from that of today’s Earth. It was for the existence of human beings that so many things, like water, plants, animals, and so on, were created on this Earth. The beings and the environments that were on the planets here before were worse. The highest-level beings there were like aliens. In other words, there weren’t any human beings at this place. And no matter how many times the planets at this place were destroyed and created, there weren’t any human beings. In all of history only two planets have had human beings: The last Earth and this Earth.” [color=yellow:fd1b25704e]5)[/color:fd1b25704e] This cultural framework that aliens have imposed upon people on Earth has completely formed a set of methods for living and perceiving the material world; it has already become that way. So, once they have something like this in place, the kind of body I mentioned can be developed. How do you drive a car? You have to use their methods. How do you build a machine? How do you operate the stuff they created? This series of things has penetrated all of man’s ways of living. It has developed this kind of body, formed this kind of thinking, and developed these sorts of things. I said last time that everybody who operates a computer has been cataloged by aliens with a number. That’s absolutely true. Aliens are in the final stage of being cleaned out. Yet there are still some that are hiding, but they are rarely seen now. They used to hide in those super-material dimensions in order to control human beings. I have talked about super-matter, and that is where they hid, so it was very difficult to detect them. Human beings believe that only the existing molecules are the most material, when in fact there are things more material than molecules. They hid in those places in order to control human beings. [color=yellow:fd1b25704e]6)[/color:fd1b25704e] “Having seen many movies, having read many imaginative stories, and having been influenced by a lot of things in society, people have developed a warped mindset that indulges in fantasy. You asked how to communicate with intelligent beings. Let me tell you all that an ordinary person can’t do that sort of thing, and he lacks the ability. If you could indeed communicate with intelligent beings but weren’t a cultivator yourself and were without energy, you would be in danger. You might lose your life any moment. Besides, you would see gruesome spirits but no high-level beings, for your level would be too low and limited to only that of humans. So it would be a terrifying situation. It’s even more terrifying if you want to communicate with living beings beyond Earth. Lives beyond Earth are just lives on other planets within this physical dimension that our human eyes can perceive. Yet those lives don’t regard people as human beings. They think people are beasts, a kind of animal. They slaughter people at will and experiment on you at will. They kidnap people to their planets, lock them in cages, and put them on display as animals. Many of Earth’s people who have gone missing were taken by them. I can also tell you that today’s human science was created by them. Why have those aliens created for humans something like the current science? It’s because what they have on their planet is akin to it. They want to bring it to this planet and eventually replace humans. They found that the human body is really perfect, flawless. So they covet the human body and want to eventually replace humans. They have added their things into one layer of human beings’ molecular cells. That’s already been done now and it has formed on a large scale. The road humankind is traveling down is dreadful. Computers would have commanded people one day. Ongoing developments have conformed to this trajectory. Humans were to become the slaves of computers and machinery, and eventually be replaced by aliens. Why have computers developed so quickly, and why has the human brain suddenly become so “sharp”? All of this has been carried out by aliens controlling the human mind. Aliens have registered everyone who knows how to operate a computer. Why are there aliens? Some aliens originate from their planets. Why do some aliens always come to Earth? It’s because they were once humans on Earth. But it wasn’t the Earth of our time. It was the previous Earth that existed at the same location as this Earth. Earth has been replaced many times. Each time it was replaced, there was a portion of lives—living beings created by gods with different appearances, some of whom were similar to today’s humans, some of whom had different forms who were relatively good at the time and were thus preserved. They weren’t destroyed, yet they weren’t allowed to enter the period of human development on the next Earth, either. So they were sent to another planet. That’s how it was done every time. Also, it has left a record of this universe, for they were humans on Earth in different time periods. It serves that purpose. But due to a slackening in overseeing them, they have developed, and they have created all kinds of scientific methods according to their schemes; some are like the kind on our earth, some assume other forms, and there are a variety of modes of development. Of course, they don’t use the term “science.” The names they use belong to their languages and concepts. These things have deteriorated further and further. And with the deviation of the cosmos’ Great Fa, the aliens have become worse and worse too. That’s why all aliens are in the process of being completely eliminated. They are being eliminated throughout the entire universe. At present, those up there have been eliminated. What’s left are only those who have escaped to Earth, who are mingling among people or who have attached to human bodies. And there are other types too.” [color=yellow:fd1b25704e]7)[/color:fd1b25704e] “As you know, modern science was brought to mankind by aliens. They came when the Industrial Revolution began in the West. They started with mathematics and chemistry—started from the shallow, simple knowledge of the earliest days—and penetrated on through to modern machinery, and eventually they developed up to today’s computers. As development continues further their ultimate goal will be to replace human beings. How is the replacement to take place? As I mentioned, in the body of today’s human beings almost everyone has a layer of the body that was created by aliens.Why do I say that? It’s because all of the science that they instilled in you has created a warped human mindset in your mind. There have never been humans like this in any of mankind’s previous civilizations. When the mind is like that, so is the body. As you know, every cell in your body is you, and your brain is connected to the brain in every cell. In that case, the thought processes inside the countless cells in your body are all the thoughts of warped human beings, and the entire body has become like that. This ties into why gods no longer regard man as human. When mankind is no longer human, what is the point of gods’ saving it? You know that when a person dies, he doesn’t really die. The shell of the layer of the largest molecular particles sloughs off, whereas the part of the body composed of microcosmic particles below molecules hasn’t died. It is separated, as if a person takes off a piece of clothing. It isn’t really dead. Yet the person in this dimension has vanished, since the body needs to be cremated or buried and it will eventually decompose and dissolve. It has departed from this dimension; that is, this layer of particles has disappeared. Then, as to the alien culture that I was just talking about, it is precisely using man’s own thinking to create the bodily layer that it needs, and it is doing so without man being aware of it. How will they ultimately replace human beings, then? You know that they still have to find a way to replace the shell of the outermost surface of human beings. This is the method of “cloning” that man now wants to use. Gods look after people, and when they don’t look after someone, they won’t instill the elements of life into that person. This is to say, the reason you are alive in this world is not that you have this flesh body, nor is it because your mother gave you this body that you are alive. It is because you have your main spirit (yuanshen) and the existence of all of your other spirits (shen) that you can live. Why doesn’t a person keep living after he dies and the body is laid down there, since it’s the same body after all? It’s because all of his main spirits have left. That is, if a person isn’t given a spirit and isn’t allowed to reincarnate at the time of birth, he will still be dead after he is born. So what will happen? Aliens will enter. This is the ultimate means that aliens will use to replace man— that is, cloning humans. Man is being used by aliens to destroy himself, yet he is not aware of it and is still protecting this science, destroying the human race. If humans are cloned en masse in the future, those beings will all be aliens that have reincarnated in human bodies, and there will be no more human race.” [color=yellow:fd1b25704e]8[/color:fd1b25704e] “Aliens are not gods, and they don’t know that those gods have arranged things this way. It’s merely that gods have controlled them and opened the door to let them in. With this, the aliens gained an opportunity, for the human body is something they have long desired. Nobody can restrict them anymore then, no matter what they do, so they are doing everything they can to obtain the human body and occupy places that belong to man.” From: http://www.dmt-nexus.me/doc/A Book Of WisdomNEW/Wizdom Page.htm
 
The article lost me here: "Although alien beings haven’t attacked humankind, they know that a human body is the most perfect. They’ve thus taken a fancy to the human body and want to steal it. They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ’ thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to theirs, they just have to replace people’s souls and humans will b ecome them, and they will eventually replace the human race. " The aliens "know that a human body is the most perfect"? What does that mean exactly? The speaker seems to think this is a given. Bodies are just bodies, right? A piece of meat, wthout the animating spirit. And how the heck do they go about "replacing peoples' souls"? Is there a "soul factory" somewhere? Is this from the Falun Gong teaching, blackclo? I think that 's dubious, although I'm sure the exercises are beneficial.
 
I disagree with this article and it's presentation as fact and "absolute truth". I have had numerous DMT encounters with other beings, including having my awareness taken to one of their worlds and shown their 'city' or civilization or what have you, nearly identical to what Daniel Pinchbeck describes in "Breaking Open the Head". I believe that they are simply beings that are more evolved than we are and have a higher level of consciousness, I believe that 'they' are what we are also evolving towards. I think they've all progressed past the stage where manipulation and control are their motivations; I have a friend who went through an IMMENSE healing from another being. They are there to offer help/guidance/healing. The messages I've gotten always focus on love and the importance of loving yourself.
 
Interesting, cliosyb. Can you describe these beings you've encountered? Are they the Zetas (Grays)? The Grays have a bad reputation with many people, but I don't think they mean us any harm as a rule. I read a very interesting book, Visitors From Within, about the "abductions." Seems the truth about this is a lot more complex than is usually assumed. I don't believe all ET's are benevolent though, any more than I think they are all out to get us. There are some that are negative. But we won't encounter them unless there is something in us that is drawing them to us (Law of Attraction).
 
I feel that it's hard to find the truth in such matters as it's such a new area of research for us all. However saying that it is interesting that cultivated Buddha Masters and other enlightened beings through history also have had access to similiar information and realms that DMT takes you to. If you read through the many DMT trip reports they vary greatly and the realms and beings that can be encountered are vast. However it seems that many people also encounter alien intelligences of all kinds in these spaces that seem to have various predispositions to hyperspace tourists. :) Many of these alien intelligences seem to take a great interest in the human form and experimentation, various probes and other strange procedures are a common theme both in abduction scenarios and occasionlly in the DMT realms. I also agree with the both of you that these alien intelligences aren't the only thing one can encounter in these realms and there are definetly benevelont and holy beings in these spaces that seem to have great affection and caring for us. If one looks at the world it is true that the explosive speed of computer and related technology has saturated every domain. A decade or two ago no one knew what the internet even was now it is a part of most of the western worlds daily life and most people are hooked into this technology one way or another. More and more people are getting mobile phones especially children, things like ID implants are on the cards. New strange and more restricitive and invasive laws are being implemented by the U.S government and the genome project, nanotechnology and cloning aswell as other biotechnologies are being feverishly pursued. The pollution and damage to our mother earth (in the name of progress) which gave us life and sustains us is trully sad and the disconnection we have from her is ever widening. Less time is spent talking and interacting, dancing, laughing, learning, creating and swimming with each other as video games, plasma t'vs and new high tech gadgets glue many of us to screens as the media machine constantly feeds us with consumer goods and fear. These are certainly strange times and if you take pause to look you see that theres something strange going on and it may look like it is in our best interests but a deeper layer reveals that it may not be. If what this Enlightened person is saying has any truth to it you can start to get a vague picture of why we are going in this strange direction and pursuing this rather technoligicaly warped, spiritually bankrupt path at the cost of our mother earth and our own freedoms and future happiness. It is true, to most people Scientists have become the new priests as they dispense to the masses what is truth and harshly condemn and debunk what doesn't agree with their current models of reality. I think true science at it's core involves curiosity and the pursuit of truth no matter where it takes you or how weird it may be. :) Many abduction scenarios have the alien beings experimenting on the human form and sometimes touching it and exploring it like some fascininating and highly sought after thing and some DMT encounters with certain aliens end with the person being examined, probed or even somehow tagged by these beings. The ancient gnostics and Hierophant's who were heavily persecuted in their time also knew that there was some kind of spiritual parasites feeding on us and guiding our development for their own purposes, they called them Archon's and they sound very similiar to these alien beings. [quote:4091af931a] Delphine wrote: "Although alien beings haven’t attacked humankind, they know that a human body is the most perfect. They’ve thus taken a fancy to the human body and want to steal it. They saturate all domains of humankind with science to make human beings firmly believe in science and rely on it. When human beings ’ thoughts and way of existence are completely assimilated to theirs, they just have to replace people’s souls and humans will b ecome them, and they will eventually replace the human race. " The aliens "know that a human body is the most perfect"? What does that mean exactly? The speaker seems to think this is a given. Bodies are just bodies, right? A piece of meat, wthout the animating spirit. [/quote:4091af931a] Well if you look at the whole brain + body matrix it is so incredibly complex and wonderous and intricate that alot of it is still a mystery to science. We may not see day to day on just how amazing a human being is but if you take a subjective look at a person, it really is a beautiful magic trick, a wish, a god thing! :) [quote:4091af931a] cilosyb wrote: I disagree with this article and it's presentation as fact and "absolute truth". I have had numerous DMT encounters with other beings, including having my awareness taken to one of their worlds and shown their 'city' or civilization or what have you, nearly identical to what Daniel Pinchbeck describes in "Breaking Open the Head". I believe that they are simply beings that are more evolved than we are and have a higher level of consciousness, I believe that 'they' are what we are also evolving towards. I think they've all progressed past the stage where manipulation and control are their motivations; I have a friend who went through an IMMENSE healing from another being. They are there to offer help/guidance/healing. The messages I've gotten always focus on love and the importance of loving yourself. [/quote:4091af931a] I also agree with you cilosyb, there seems to be a lot of goodness and kindness and benevolence in those realms too, a great deal of it is pure comapssion and love and spiritual teachings. I do however beleive that there is also places and beings in their that do not have our best interests at heart.
 
Blackclo, from my own research into the Zeta abduction scenario, the reason for those examinations was that they were working to cross-breed their race with ours. Why? Because they had bred emotion out of their race. And they realized too late that they had made a mistake. They knew their race was dying out and so this cross-breeding was a way to ensure their continuation and also to develop a race of both great intellect (Zeta) and strong emotions (humans). You seem to have a bleak view of our evolution at this time. I can see what you are saying but at the same time I think you are overlooking the definite signs of progress, such as the increasing interest in consciousness and the powers of the mind, i.e. the movies What The Bleep and The Secret, as well as the high interest in metaphysical books, and all that we have available online in spirituality, consciousness research etc. I feel humanity is indeed moving in the direction McKenna predicted and we can expect a very interesting day on 12/21/2012. :D The Internet is certainly an expression of all of this, it has its downside of course but it is another example of how we are becoming interconnected, a harbinger of the more unified state we are predicted to attain in the coming years. I went through a period of being very fascinated with reading about the negative aliens controlling us from the lower astral realms, feeding off our fear. And I do feel these beings exist, however we are not powerless against them. We can vibrate up and out of their sphere of influence. That's what consciousness expansion is all about, ultimately--vibrating higher. blackclo, I think it's true that these beings are focused on the information stored in our bodies and want to hijack our DNA. the Pleiadians channeled through Marciniak talk about this, also another source I will post separately. But again, I don't think they can mess with us unless we are at their level of vibration. That's the essence of the Law of Attraction, which is getting so much attention these days (one of the signs of the Shift in consciousness). And that's why we cannot attain this higher level if we are focused on the dangers of the "dark forces" or ET's who mean us harm. We have to focus on the things that bring us joy. Be joyful, blackclo! :) delphine
 
i kind of disagree with the original post. This said, i have met mantids kind of insects that were not really intelligent, very impolite, inquisitive and plain ugly. They were well hum, buggin me ;) haha One time at the peak of a 5 gamm mushroom trip, i traveled through a network of computer like thread of luminescent greatness interwoven grid like stuff. And then, deeply immersce in a trance, i lost awareness of my body and entered a ''room'' i got thew feeling that this was only one room out of many. I encoutered long, thin creatures, like the greys. They were benevolent, really cool and beautiful. And they pluged me into a kind of chair ( this is the best i can describe it ) I was disturbed by my trip companion (girlfriend) because unlike me, she was fearing/rejecting the whole ordeal and was scared to death. Si i lost contact, reternued to my body and they ( the grey ones ) told me that i would be back, and that everything is perfectly fine. Everything will be ok. I felt nothing but deep love. I saw the smaller grey one lots of time. They seem less intelligent to me, but they are not bad guys at all. Some of them showed me toys and tried to play with me haha. They all told me that ( both the thin long and the small ) that they have been forever with me and they showed me pictures of my whole life where they were there. huh. This is all highly subjective of course. LOL ;) I myslef dont have a difinitive opinion you know... I Am all with Delphine on the higher/lower thing. This is true to me. I can, with a lot of challenging difficultys, vibrate sounds 0_o to go ''higher'' and see less insect crap. Then again, you see what you are. I mean, if you are a prick in life, eating junk food all day and beating your wife. I can bet you are gonna see a lower creature . I myslef dont fear the insects/mantid like being so much. We are them, they are us after all. I'm not a hyperspacial racist you know... ;) Books by John E. Mack are very informative on the subject. He even makes the link between the abduction phenomena and the drug (aya) users. passport to the cosmos is pretty thorough his book ''Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens '' is filled with abduction reports almost undifferenciable from Dmt/psilo reports. The similarities are shocking.
 
I found this article recently from Reality Carnival about Michael Harner's Cosmic adventure with Aya with alien undertones, interesting stuff: [quote:5ec3f2b2f3] Hi Cliff, I have just finished reading Jeremy Narby's Cosmic Serpent and thought it was a fascinating read, he ties alot of threads and ideas together including shamanism/bioglogy/mythology. One of the interesting points in the book mentions a passage about an ayahuasca session experienced by Michael Harner, here's some excerpts from his trip: "As I tried to accept my fate, an even lower portion of my brain began to transmit more visions and information. I was "told" that this new material was being presented to me because I was dying and therefore "safe" to receive these revelations. These were the secrets reserved for the dying and the dead, I was informed. I could only very dimly perceive the givers of these thoughts: giant reptilian creatures reposing sluggishly at the lowermost depths of the back of my brain, where it met the top of the spinal column. I could only vaguely see them in what seemed to be gloomy, dark depths. Then they projected a visual scene in front of me. First they showed me the planet Earth as it was eons ago, before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see that the "specks" were actually large, shiny, black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies. Their heads were not visible to me. They flopped down, utterly exhausted from their trip, resting for eons. They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from something out in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence. Before me, the magnificence of plant and animal creation and speciation-hundreds of millions of years of activity-took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible to describe. I learned that the dragon-like creatures were thus inside of all forms of life, including man.() They were the true masters of humanity and the entire planet, they told me. We humans were but the receptacles and servants of these creatures. For this reason they could speak to me from within myself." and: "These revelations, welling up from the depths of my mind, alternated with visions of the floating galley, which had almost finished taking my soul on board. The boat with its blue-jay headed deck crew was gradually drawing away, pulling my life force along as it headed toward a large fjord flanked by barren, worn hills. I knew I had only a moment more to live. Strangely, I had no fear of the bird-headed people; they were welcome to have my soul if they could keep it. But I was afraid that somehow my soul might not remain on the horizontal plane of the fjord but might, through processes unknown but felt and dreaded, be acquired or re-acquired by the dragon-like denizens of the depths. I suddenly felt my distinctive humanness, the contrast between my species and the ancient reptilian ancestors. I began to struggle against returning to the ancient ones, who were beginning to feel increasingly alien and possibly evil. " and: "Then I went back to the platform, eager to put my night's experiences on tape before I forgot anything. The work of recall went easily except for one portion of the trance that I could not remember. lt remained blank, as though a tape had been erased. I struggled for hours to remember what had happened in that part of the experience, and I virtually wrestled it back into my consciousness. The recalcitrant material turned out to be the communication from the dragon-like creatures, including the revelation of their role in the evolution of life on this planet and their innate domination of living matter, including man. I was highly excited at rediscovering this material, and could not help but feel that I was not supposed to be able to bring it back from the nether regions of the mind. I even had a peculiar sense of fear for my safety, because I now possessed a secret that the creatures had indicated was only intended for the dying. I immediately decided to share this knowledge with others so that the "secret" would not reside in me alone, and my life would not be in jeopardy. I put my outboard motor on a dugout canoe and left for an American evangelist mission station nearby. I arrived about noon. The couple at the mission, Bob and Millie, were a cut above the average evangelists sent from the United States: hospitable, humorous, and compassionate.' I told them my story. When I described the reptile with water gushing out of his mouth, they exchanged glances, reached for their Bible, and read to me the following line from Chapter 12 in the Book of Revelation: 'And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood' They explained to me that the word "serpent" was synonymous in the Bible with the words "dragon" and "Satan." I went on with my narrative. When I came to the part about the dragon-like creatures fleeing an enemy somewhere beyond the Earth and landing here to hide from their pursuers, Bob and Millie became excited and again read me more from the same passage in the Book of Revelation: And there was a war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels with him. I listened with surprise and wonder. The missionaries, in turn, seemed to be awed by the fact that an atheistic anthropologist, by taking the drink of the "witch doctors," could apparently have revealed to him some of the same holy material in the Book of Revelation. When I had finished my account, I was relieved to have shared my new knowledge." and: "I was now eager to solicit a professional opinion from the most supernaturally knowledgeable of the Indians, a blind shaman who had made many excursions into the spirit world with the aid of the ayahuasca drink. lt seemed only proper that a blind man might be able to be my guide to the world of darkness. I went to his hut, taking my notebook with me, and described my visions to him segment by segment. At first I told him only the highlights; thus, when I came to the dragon-like creatures, I skipped their arrival from space and only said, "There were these giant black animals, something like great bats, longer than the length of this house, who said that they were the true masters of the world." There is no word for dragon in Conibo, so "giant bat" was the closest I could come to describe what I had seen. He stared up toward me with his sightless eyes, and said with a grin, "Oh, they're always saying that. But they are only the Masters of Outer Darkness." He waved his hand casually toward the sky. I felt a chill along the lower part of my spine, for I had not yet told him that I had seen them, in my trance, coming from outer space. I was stunned. What I had experienced was already familiar to this barefoot, blind shaman." As a footnote, Harner wrote: "In retrospect one could say they were almost like DNA" Now I find the above excerpts fascinating because recently I came upon an article by a practitioner of Falun Gong, an ancient spiritual cultivation practice from the Buddha School and he paints a very similiar picture to Harner's account. Here's an excerpt: "It was quiet again. But behind the quietness, there was an atmosphere of killing and depression. The sky was still bright. Stars began to blink. I saw some red stuff appear from the sky and the earth all around me. It seemed like they were types of red worms, countless in number and extremely long. They were surrounding me. When they got closer, I was shocked to realize what they were. It was something I had always been familiar with: the double helix of DNA. Suddenly, I realized that the original lives on the earth did not contain DNA. It was something imposed on deformed human beings by extra-terrestrial beings. Hidden in the long chains was the secret of extra-terrestrial beings -- to take over human bodies and escape from the final judgement. Human beings, however, were instructed by the so-called scientists to take DNA as the basic construction unit of our lives, even a factor determining everything in life. In the process of rapid deformation and corruption of human beings, the extra-terrestrial beings have incorporated a self-duplication mechanism into the bodies of human beings so that DNA will be duplicated and passed on to human off-springs to control human beings. In recent years, some people with a devil's mind have been enthusiastic in cloning animals, or even human. They are the representatives of the corrupt beings in other dimensions. Teacher said when he gave a lecture in May 1999, "Gods will not place a Primordial Spirit inside a cloned being because it is created by human beings. Gods will certainly not recognize it. What will happen then? An extraterrestrial will break through at this weak point and place itself as the Primordial Spirit of that being." [unofficial translation of Lecture at the Fa-Conference in Canada (Toronto, May 23, 1999)] It is the same with the cloned animals. Their spirits are all extra-terrestrial beings. The famous sheep Dolly has a spirit of an octopus-like ET." Full article is here: clearwisdom.net/emh/articl...11863p.html All this stuff also seems to correlate well with the whole Adam and Eve and The Snake story and the creation story of the Amazonian Shamans which has the female and Male twin in which the Male God get's tricked by the female and ends up getting strangled by the "Strangler Vine". Pretty interesting stuff, DNA may not be the fundamental building blocks of life after all but some kind of viral control mechanicism which ties our souls to matter. [/quote:5ec3f2b2f3]
 
[quote:624726bdd0] I was now eager to solicit a professional opinion from the most supernaturally knowledgeable of the Indians, a blind shaman who had made many excursions into the spirit world with the aid of the ayahuasca drink. lt seemed only proper that a blind man might be able to be my guide to the world of darkness. I went to his hut, taking my notebook with me, and described my visions to him segment by segment. At first I told him only the highlights; thus, when I came to the dragon-like creatures, I skipped their arrival from space and only said, "There were these giant black animals, something like great bats, longer than the length of this house, who said that they were the true masters of the world." There is no word for dragon in Conibo, so "giant bat" was the closest I could come to describe what I had seen. He stared up toward me with his sightless eyes, and said with a grin, "Oh, they're always saying that. But they are only the Masters of Outer Darkness." [/quote:624726bdd0] I think the above is the important part. "The Shaman Knows." Specifically, he knows that those dragon creatures are NOT the "true masters of the world." That's what they'd like us to think: "Oh, they're always saying that", but ther reach is limited: "They're only the Masters of the Outer Darkness." I read this as, they can't get at us where it really counts, in our hearts and souls. Anyway, DNA is found in all living beings including seeminly inanimate objects like crystals. I think it's a bit far-fetched to think the reptilians are in a blade of grass as well as in us, and that they "control" the blade of grass in the same way they say they control us. If they do--to what end?
 
addendum to my post above, I think this chaneeling from the Pleiadians is relevant: Question: Who controls our DNA? From what I have heard, there seem to be different intelligences pulling the strings on our DNA. What I would like... I would like to control my own DNA. Answer: Let us say, you are the one who controls it once you wake up to that knowledge. You see, the whole planet has been controlled in such a way that you have been taught and trained from the time that you first popped out onto this planet that you are not in control of your reality, that everything is circumstantial, that everything depends on something that you have no say in. Wrong! You have complete control over everything. Until you discover that, and until you believe it, you are subjected to whatever anyone else wishes to do to you in this free-will zone. And in your innocence, you have been exposed to things that have allowed your DNA, your intelligence, and many other things to be controlled.
 
All this stuff is pretty speculative to begin with isn't it? :lol: However cross referencing smoked DMT reports, Shamans experiances and even Buddha Masters who have extrasensory perception abilities seem to point to the same thing, that there are actually ultra dimensional entities existing in and around us. I also agree with you on them not being omnipotent. I think that these aliens are only a small part of whats out there.
 
[quote:e468620790="blackclo"]All this stuff is pretty speculative to begin with isn't it? :lol: [/quote:e468620790] In a way, yes, but I've read so much about the reptilians and the grays that there's not much question in my mind that they do exist and that some of them are not benevolent. But, again, we attract by our vibration. In the book Visitors From Within, about the Grays, the point was made that if we are in fear, we attract fearful experiences. That makes sense to me. [quote:e468620790] However cross referencing smoked DMT reports, Shamans experiances and even Buddha Masters who have extrasensory perception abilities seem to point to the same thing, that there are actually ultra dimensional entities existing in and around us. I also agree with you on them not being omnipotent. I think that these aliens are only a small part of whats out there.[/quote:e468620790] Or in here. 8)
 
my question is, why doesn't someone bring something back? i.e. a piece of information unheard of to this world -- math is supposedly universally true, so someone bring back some crazy physics or something! I have yet to encounter an 'alien' on my two experiences, but when I do see one, I will ask for something.
 
first of all, to nought, here's a few things along the line that you are talking about: Crick, of Watson and Crick has on several occasions claimed that he was under the influence of LSD when he, in a sort of divinely-inspired way first contemplated the double helix structure of DNA.... Kary Mullis, a nobel prize winner for biochemistry claims also that his Polymerase Chain Reaction was conceived from the inspiration of LSD, Mullis is now actively involved in work in the realm of computer-biological interfacing. As for aliens, the original article here seems to evoke a sense of paranoid schizophrenia, to think that mass amounts of people are actually evil aliens disguised as humans who are involved in a global conspiracy to possess everyone is quite far outside the realm of psychedelic inspiration/journeying and within the realm of insanity. Many people who have encounters with aliens or aliens spirits typically express social workings that are extremely complicated, much like our own. Many encounters are with peaceful, highly-evolved races and some encounters are with more sinister races, however, typically, the sinister races only seem so in their nonchalance about human life, that is, they are sinister only by merit of their arrogance, much like human beings' sinister behavior toward so-called "lesser animals" like cows, etc. Various conjectures exist and many people seem to say that there are various races with a multitude of different motivations, some wholly peaceful and enlightened, others, coldly scientific. Grays especially seem to be the most human-like race as many people give testimony of having encountered differing races/cultures of grays, that is, ones that seek only to utilize humans for vivisection and others that seem to have a more wholesome desire to communicate and question peacefully. In my own experience, I have only encountered alien entities through means of past-life regression. I encountered an extremely peaceful semi-aquatic (amphibious? but not so much, they were slate blue/crystalline in color, long appendages, closest earth-relative I suppose would be dolphins, but its a stretch).... reminded me something of a atlantis-esque world. Seeing as this took the form of a memory, there was no direct communication with alien entities. The experience evoked nostalgia and peace as the alien society was much closer to something of a utopia than any society here on earth.
 
Grand Master??? That doesn't sound like a Grand Master to me. He talks too much and doesn't ask enough questions. There doesn't seem to be much genuine wisdom in the words. It's more like the ramblings of a teen age sci-fi fanatic. Does a Grand Master consider himself so grand? Does a Grand Master really know about such things? Does a Grand Master even care about such things? Does a Grand Master presume to "know" anything at all? How much does anyone truly "know" in the scope of everything? I'm not real sure but it doesn't seem to fit. But then, what do I know. Nothing.
 
TrYpt / PhEnEtHyl -AMinE wrote: [quote:fb0f46efbb] first of all, to nought, here's a few things along the line that you are talking about: Crick, of Watson and Crick has on several occasions claimed that he was under the influence of LSD when he, in a sort of divinely-inspired way first contemplated the double helix structure of DNA.... Kary Mullis, a nobel prize winner for biochemistry claims also that his Polymerase Chain Reaction was conceived from the inspiration of LSD, Mullis is now actively involved in work in the realm of computer-biological interfacing. [/quote:fb0f46efbb] Hey Trypt, your right, Crick did say that he was on LSD when he uncovered the DNA helix. He also beleived strongly beleived in his theory of Panspermia, the idea that genetic materials may have been purposely spread by an advanced extraterrestrial civilization. He actually wrote a whole book on this subjet with some very convinving evidence for this, it's called "Life Itself: Its Origin and Nature" and is a very compelling read. TrYpt / PhEnEtHyl -AMinE wrote: [quote:fb0f46efbb] As for aliens, the original article here seems to evoke a sense of paranoid schizophrenia, to think that mass amounts of people are actually evil aliens disguised as humans who are involved in a global conspiracy to possess everyone is quite far outside the realm of psychedelic inspiration/journeying and within the realm of insanity. [/quote:fb0f46efbb] Actually alot of this information seems to correlate rather well with many things such as a myriad of DMT and other entheogenic experiances, abduction scenarios, astral projection experiances and and many other related sources. Even Cricks panspermia hypothesis fits in well with this information as does some of Carlos Castaneda's matrial. Even the state of affairs of the planet at present with a feverish pursuit of a one world government, technological worship and a multi national billion dollar investment in cloning and other biological fields seems to fit in with what this holy person is talking about. Many DMT experiances, but not all, mention beings that probe, tag, and experiment on the psychanaut with a very cold, clinical and highly technological manner. Most of this is over the experiances head but I do not beleive it is in our best interests. Shamanic cultures who take ayahuasca also talk about a myriad of alien beings from other star systems, not all of them bad. However they also do talk about the "masters of the outer darkness" who have a "vested interest" in us and see us as a valuable resource. Also if you have ever read some of the gnostic texts and material, they also mention certain spiritual parasites that they have called "Archons". They beleive that these beings reside in the astral and try to misdirect humanity's consciousness for their own purposes hence the restrictive, fast paced and technoligically driven culture we find ourselves in today. There are actually certain saints and other holy spiritual masters who have through cultivation attained certain supernatural abilities which let them peer through and even travel into the veil on a whim. That is to say they can access the astral realms fully and do not need entheogens to do so. They have many supernatural abilities such as third eye vision, healing abilities and many others. Cultivation involves raisings ones moral level and at the same time tempering the will and gradually letting go of various attachments. That's the mental side of Cultivation. Theres also a physical side which involve enduring certain exercises which syphon and collect qi or the energy of the universe into yourself. Qi is at a certain level of cultivation and it can help filter and clean your energetic body. Eventually through a long and ardous process of cultivation you will stop gathering qi and begin to energize 'gong'. This is a very powerful energy and if your third eye is open you will see that it is a form of light. Gradually spiritual abilties will start to blossom and they are many and varied. This person who wrote about the aliens has been cultivating and raising his spiritual self from the age of 4. Actually ancient masters came to Tutor this young boy in both the Dao and Buddha schools at such a young age as they could see with their innate abilities that this boys soul was from a very high level. I know that alot of this stuff sounds a bit far fetched but if you look at cutting edge science, it's starting to look more like science fiction by the day. Things like M theory, Bells non local theorom, David Bohm's implicate order and even Pribrams Holographic Brain Theory show us that it is all getting more mysterious as we peel off each succesive layer of the onion. The truth is that every person has these abilities but through time they have atrophied and have been forgotten about but there are certain people that still have this ancient knowledge on how to empower these things in people and are now spreading it to the world. I have mentioned it before but have a read of this book, I feel it has some amazing insights about many spiritual and esoteric things: http://dmt-nexus.me/doc/zfl_new.pdf An entheogen like DMT might activate a few of these abilities temporarily, most usually the third eye and astral travel but my belief is that it is a highly unstable and dangerous way to access these places. Many Shamans do not enter these places on a whim and have very strict and specific reasons for going in there. They also have many years of experiance on how to navigate in these places and how to protect themselves from manevolent forces. Even greatly respected Shamans like Amaringo have left the shamanic path after these "helper spirits" turned on them and betrayed them so in these places things are not what they seem. DMT is definetly not the only way to enter into these fractal dimensions. It is a sneak preview and a shortcut for sure, but shortcuts always come at a price and there are grave dangers in these places.
 
Well I see where you are coming from but the article posted here gives an air that seems distinctly different from experiences regarding demons and being morally mislead. The article actually specifically talks about chameleon-like aliens that take human form and conspire to control governments. Such is quite different from the spiritual/psychic influence of a negative entity encouraging someone to be immoral and hateful. Also, in regards to abductions, most of the stories refer to the aliens as being cold and scientific, not evil and vindictive, there's a difference there, one is simply the result of species-arrogance, which we ourselves as humans tend to have, the other is something far more sinister. I realize than many cultures that use entheogens believe in demons and negative motives from alien societies, however, this man is suggesting something that takes those thing to a radical, paranoid extreme, suggesting that the many of people one meets every day in the street are actually evil aliens involved in a global conspiracy. As for astral projection, I do not believe that entities inhabiting these realms are in any way more spiritually powerful then we have the potential to be. I don't strictly believe in demons, because I find that such a title assigns lost souls more spiritual power and awareness then they actually have. I believe that in regards the astral realm, there are just as many losts/confused/immoral entities/people/spirits as there are here in our own physical realm and that the astral realms do not exist at a much higher level of consciousness than the physical realm, I believe they are much more like parallel realms then others may believe they are. In my personal belief, the highest levels of consciousness are far beyond the petty behaviors of entities within this realm and the astral realms. I think we can be tricked astrally just as easily as we can be tricked by a con artist here in the physical realm, so we should never ascribe it a higher spiritual importance. I don't disagree with the importance of growing spiritually and "gathering energy" as you put it, but I believe this exercise does not strictly relate to our connections with the astral plains, or at least the majority of them. I do believe in some sense that there is a "higher plane" but I think that such a higher plane exists as the omnipotent, omniscient consciousness of the universe, the source and end of all things. The closer we move towards being at a level of consciousness that is similar to this universal consciousness, the more our positive abilities and wisdom shine through, as in a sense, such are not our own abilities but the abilities of the greatest entity, although we are essentially one with it, just, for the most part, ignore that. I believe that evil and immorality and spiritual dullness come from the choices of individuals to remain in ignorance of the light, I do believe that these people in some sense, sort of proselytize their evil, that is encourage others to be like themselves, but only out of a belief that such a way of living brings happiness, which is again the result of their ignorance... I don't believe that people are actively removed from their own faculties in regards to being misguided, I believe that they make the choice to allow themselves to be convinced by negative influences and that when it comes down to it, their behavior and state of consciousness is the result of their own choices, not any manner of possession or other sort of choiceless evil. People choose to remain ignorant of enlightenment they're not forced into that ignorance.... they can be shown the light and shown a way to attain knowledge and seek truth but they still have to make the decision to do so.
 
As for the idea that our genetics were manipulated by an alien culture, there is in fact an entire series of books that re-examines ancient artifacts and cultures in this context written by Zacharia Sitchin. One of the strangest things is the caduceus symbol which was originally associated with life and plenty (NOT the greek usages)... the snakes of the caduceus form a double helix around a central pole.
 
I just started reading Graham Hancocks book SUPERNATURAL MEETINGS WITH THE ANCIENT TEACHERS OF MANKIND. It is excellent it covers many of the questions raised in this thread. He describes experances with iboga, aya, smoked dmt, mescaline, there is a chapter interviewing Strassman, and Roy Watling. Also quite a bit of anthropolgy as well as orgins of art and religion. Highly reccommended. M.V.
 
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