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Enoon,

Most of what I know in regard to spiral dynamics, and the like, as of right now has been conveyed to me by a friend as well.

As far as what I see truth as, well, let me write this:

"Truth is a fictional concept originally meaning the quality of being steadfast in adherence to a commander, or friend, or principle, or cause or to one’s promises. Hence “True” meaning in essence to be honest, trustworthy, upright or virtuous, sincere and free from deceit.

As certain inferior entities throughout history have attempted to install and maintain their flawed model of Reality, the meaning of “truth” and “true” has been corrupted to mean facts, exact and agreement with a standard or rule of the controlling entity, regardless of reason, argument or logic. Hence “truth” has become wholly divorced from consistent virtuous behavior to simply being adherence to standards and rules, regardless of whether such rules were deliberately deceitful and corrupt.

Given the original and essential meaning of truth and true to be “free from deceit and deception”, any definition that attempts to imply truth or true to permit adherence to corrupt standards are inferior rules that are devoid of reason and logic is automatically rendered null and void".

I did not write this, however the essence of what is espoused I find to be most agreeable. Truth to me is knowledge free from deceit and deception; free from lies. The truth I seek is to know the real story, the whole story. I definitely understand the concept of multiplicity, however I am of the mind and heart that we can know. In knowing - that will encompass the multiple perspectives, considering the conscientiousness of the self-existing creator in all things, it seems to me that the multiplicity is in fact truth, or at the very least can be discerned into truth; to know what is true and what is false; to know what is fact or fiction. This isn't to say that there is not truth in the midst of deceit. I simply have no desire to be dogmatic or convicted about things based upon the 'sponsorship' of others, be they of this world or another.

History to me is much of the same, however I am inclined to think that another dynamic of it is why the people believe it. Typically I find it is a result of a narrative, into which people place faith, faith which falls outside of reason, facts, and most especially, first hand knowledge or experience which is then translated by where you are in your perception: archaic, magical, mythical, reason, integral, etc... Keep in mind I am simply sharing thoughts with you, the only thing I am absolutely solid on is I want knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. I have a feeling that it is inclusive of the dynamics and beliefs of society, but I am less interested in the delusions of society and people over the course of history than I am in knowledge of myself, those before me, and my creator, and, perhaps, their creator. Time will tell.

As far as getting results from psychedelics I would agree, however I have no experience with DMT and from what I have read it is a completely different creature than psilocybin, lysergic acid, peyote, and others similar. I will see I suppose.

Thanks for the response.

Peace,
Fior

<blockquote data-quote="FiorSirtheoir" data-source="post: 3418773" data-attributes="member: 8206">Enoon,Most of what I know in regard to spiral dynamics, and the like, as of right now has been conveyed to me by a friend as well. As far as what I see truth as, well, let me write this:&quot;Truth is a fictional concept originally meaning the quality of being steadfast in adherence to a commander, or friend, or principle, or cause or to one’s promises. Hence “True” meaning in essence to be honest, trustworthy, upright or virtuous, sincere and free from deceit.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; As certain inferior entities throughout history have attempted to install and maintain their flawed model of Reality, the meaning of “truth” and “true” has been corrupted to mean facts, exact and agreement with a standard or rule of the controlling entity, regardless of reason, argument or logic. Hence “truth” has become wholly divorced from consistent virtuous behavior to simply being adherence to standards and rules, regardless of whether such rules were deliberately deceitful and corrupt.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Given the original and essential meaning of truth and true to be “free from deceit and deception”, any definition that attempts to imply truth or true to permit adherence to corrupt standards are inferior rules that are devoid of reason and logic is automatically rendered null and void&quot;. I did not write this, however the essence of what is espoused I find to be most agreeable. Truth to me is knowledge free from deceit and deception; free from lies. The truth I seek is to know the real story, the whole story. I definitely understand the concept of multiplicity, however I am of the mind and heart that we can know. In knowing - that will encompass the multiple perspectives, considering the conscientiousness of the self-existing creator in all things, it seems to me that the multiplicity is in fact truth, or at the very least can be discerned into truth; to know what is true and what is false; to know what is fact or fiction. This isn&#039;t to say that there is not truth in the midst of deceit. I simply have no desire to be dogmatic or convicted about things based upon the &#039;sponsorship&#039; of others, be they of this world or another.History to me is much of the same, however I am inclined to think that another dynamic of it is why the people believe it. Typically I find it is a result of a narrative, into which people place faith, faith which falls outside of reason, facts, and most especially, first hand knowledge or experience which is then translated by where you are in your perception: archaic, magical, mythical, reason, integral, etc... Keep in mind I am simply sharing thoughts with you, the only thing I am absolutely solid on is I want knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. I have a feeling that it is inclusive of the dynamics and beliefs of society, but I am less interested in the delusions of society and people over the course of history than I am in knowledge of myself, those before me, and my creator, and, perhaps, their creator. Time will tell.&nbsp;&nbsp; As far as getting results from psychedelics I would agree, however I have no experience with DMT and from what I have read it is a completely different creature than psilocybin, lysergic acid, peyote, and others similar. I will see I suppose.Thanks for the response.Peace,Fior</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FiorSirtheoir, post: 3418773, member: 8206"] Enoon, Most of what I know in regard to spiral dynamics, and the like, as of right now has been conveyed to me by a friend as well. As far as what I see truth as, well, let me write this: [i]"Truth is a fictional concept originally meaning the quality of being steadfast in adherence to a commander, or friend, or principle, or cause or to one’s promises. Hence “True” meaning in essence to be honest, trustworthy, upright or virtuous, sincere and free from deceit. As certain inferior entities throughout history have attempted to install and maintain their flawed model of Reality, the meaning of “truth” and “true” has been corrupted to mean facts, exact and agreement with a standard or rule of the controlling entity, regardless of reason, argument or logic. Hence “truth” has become wholly divorced from consistent virtuous behavior to simply being adherence to standards and rules, regardless of whether such rules were deliberately deceitful and corrupt. Given the original and essential meaning of truth and true to be “free from deceit and deception”, any definition that attempts to imply truth or true to permit adherence to corrupt standards are inferior rules that are devoid of reason and logic is automatically rendered null and void".[/i] I did not write this, however the essence of what is espoused I find to be most agreeable. Truth to me is knowledge free from deceit and deception; free from lies. The truth I seek is to know the real story, the whole story. I definitely understand the concept of multiplicity, however I am of the mind and heart that we can know. In knowing - that will encompass the multiple perspectives, considering the conscientiousness of the self-existing creator in all things, it seems to me that the multiplicity is in fact truth, or at the very least can be discerned into truth; to know what is true and what is false; to know what is fact or fiction. This isn't to say that there is not truth in the midst of deceit. I simply have no desire to be dogmatic or convicted about things based upon the 'sponsorship' of others, be they of this world or another. History to me is much of the same, however I am inclined to think that another dynamic of it is why the people believe it. Typically I find it is a result of a narrative, into which people place faith, faith which falls outside of reason, facts, and most especially, first hand knowledge or experience which is then translated by where you are in your perception: archaic, magical, mythical, reason, integral, etc... Keep in mind I am simply sharing thoughts with you, the only thing I am absolutely solid on is I want knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. I have a feeling that it is inclusive of the dynamics and beliefs of society, but I am less interested in the delusions of society and people over the course of history than I am in knowledge of myself, those before me, and my creator, and, perhaps, their creator. Time will tell. As far as getting results from psychedelics I would agree, however I have no experience with DMT and from what I have read it is a completely different creature than psilocybin, lysergic acid, peyote, and others similar. I will see I suppose. Thanks for the response. Peace, Fior [/QUOTE]