Okay so finally he gets to it:    A lump about the size of a large grain of rice (didn't have access to a scale at the time) was dropped into a chickenbone type base pipe and when a torch was applied the bulb immediately filled with vapor. He took the hit and held it. The taste was distinctly tryptamine, mustier and more plantlike than the plasticy taste of DMT. There was nothing for awhile and he let out the hit thinking that he must not have gotten enough and then at about the two minute point it came on. Body feeling very heavy, he could move but it took a lot of effort and concentration. A vague disassociated feeling - "somethings different, what? oh yeah, Im on a drug". With eyes closed there were no visuals but the blackness had a depth and dimension like he was seeing in various shades of black. With eyes open things had that sort of fuzzy glow that he associates with DMT. He was back to baseline in twenty minutes.  He returned to the pipe. This time when he applied the torch, the lump sizzled and melted before putting off any vapor and he got a good thick hit going before toking. He did two more in quick succession, not exhaling but putting them on top of each other. The third toke was way more acrid and tasted way less of tryptamine so he figured most of the alks were gone at that point. Again, it took about two minutes before he really felt anything. Then he slumped in his chair. Extreme lethargy - he could move but had absolutely no desire to. Eyes closed he was encased in spinning diamond shapes on all sides. Still, everything was dark. Like a negative of a DMT trip. He was completely lost in this for what he estimates to be fifteen minutes and then it ocurred to open his eyes. The open eye visuals weren't much stronger than with the smaller hit. The sedation was though. He had no desire to do anything but sit slouched and unmoving for another forty five minutes during which the CEVs dissipated.    I'd say this one is well worth exploring folks.