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69ron
Rising Star
That's not a DMT pipe. It's a snuffing tool for getting blown away with bufotenine (5-HO-DMT). They put Yopo snuff in it. Yopo contains mostly bufotenine (rarely does it contain much DMT). It has two pipe pieces for putting into the nose. The user puts their Yopo mix in the bowl and puts the two pipes into their nose and snuffs it.
Bufotenine is a hallucinogen that few people know about.
Is it more powerful hallucinogen than DMT?
YES, it is more powerful than DMT.
Are the effects the same as DMT?
NO, it’s not the same as DMT, it feels very different from DMT. It’s only hallucinogenic and doesn’t produce mental psychedelic effects.
Is it a more powerful hallucinogen than 5-MeO-DMT?
YES and NO. 5-MeO-DMT is just as strong when smoked, and stronger when snuffed, but it’s a weaker hallucinogen. 5-MeO-DMT is a mental psychedelic and produces only very weak visual and audio hallucinations.
What are the dosage ranges used?
Smoking doses are 2-20 mg. Snuffing doses are 20-200 mg.
Are there any downsides to it?
The down sides which likely prevent it from being more popular than DMT are that it produces more side effects, and it isn’t mentally psychedelic. It’s only hallucinogenic.
What are the side effects of pure bufotenine?
Head tension is a common side effect.
Nausea is a common side effect.
When smoked as freebase, the nausea only lasts a minute or so and then passes long before the peak hits. The head tension some people experience also usually passes before the peak hits. These side effects can be avoided by starting with a really low dose and slowly increasing your dosage every minute. You get tolerance to the side effects quickly, but it takes a while to get tolerance to the hallucinogenic effects.
How long does the trip last?
The effects usually start slowly within a minute after inhaling it, depending on the dosage. The larger the dose, the quicker it starts. It peaks after about 10-15 minutes. The smoked freebase bufotenine trip lasts 1-3 hours depending on the dosage.
How does it compare with DMT?
The visuals are very “electric” and wild. They tend to pulsate and flash a lot. They are very rhythmic. They are sharper than those of DMT.
Auditory hallucinations are more common with bufotenine than any other tryptamine SWIM has tried.
Unlike DMT, it's not psychedelic.
The trip lasts many times longer than a DMT trip (1-3 hours).
It doesn’t have the DMT rush some people enjoy.
It’s more relaxed that DMT.
It’s not as alien as DMT can be (because it’s not psychedelic).
As with DMT, breakthrough experiences are possible with high doses (15-20 mg).
In all animal tests the LD50 was shown to be higher than that of DMT.
It’s often compared with ayahuasca in that the visions are usually more meaningful that the flashes seen with DMT.
It’s not as immersive as DMT. You always feel grounded. This is because it’s not psychedelic (or only very weakly psychedelic).
Does SWIM like it?
Bufotenine is SWIM’s favorite hallucinogen (but not his favorite psychedelic). He likes it more than DMT. It was apparently in widespread use at one point in time, until ayahuasca took over. Snuffing Yopo is very unpleasant causing lots of side effects and pain in the nose. SWIM’s tried it many times and doesn’t like it that way. However, smoking pure freebase bufotenine is a different story. When pure freebase bufotenine is smoked, the side effects are minor and only last a minute or so and can be avoided altogether by starting with a small dose and working up.
SWIM uses bufotenine far more often than DMT. SWIM finds it much more friendly than DMT and prefers the longer duration. SWIM likes the fact that it’s not psychedelic.
Bufotenine is a hallucinogen that few people know about.
Is it more powerful hallucinogen than DMT?
YES, it is more powerful than DMT.
Are the effects the same as DMT?
NO, it’s not the same as DMT, it feels very different from DMT. It’s only hallucinogenic and doesn’t produce mental psychedelic effects.
Is it a more powerful hallucinogen than 5-MeO-DMT?
YES and NO. 5-MeO-DMT is just as strong when smoked, and stronger when snuffed, but it’s a weaker hallucinogen. 5-MeO-DMT is a mental psychedelic and produces only very weak visual and audio hallucinations.
What are the dosage ranges used?
Smoking doses are 2-20 mg. Snuffing doses are 20-200 mg.
Are there any downsides to it?
The down sides which likely prevent it from being more popular than DMT are that it produces more side effects, and it isn’t mentally psychedelic. It’s only hallucinogenic.
What are the side effects of pure bufotenine?
Head tension is a common side effect.
Nausea is a common side effect.
When smoked as freebase, the nausea only lasts a minute or so and then passes long before the peak hits. The head tension some people experience also usually passes before the peak hits. These side effects can be avoided by starting with a really low dose and slowly increasing your dosage every minute. You get tolerance to the side effects quickly, but it takes a while to get tolerance to the hallucinogenic effects.
How long does the trip last?
The effects usually start slowly within a minute after inhaling it, depending on the dosage. The larger the dose, the quicker it starts. It peaks after about 10-15 minutes. The smoked freebase bufotenine trip lasts 1-3 hours depending on the dosage.
How does it compare with DMT?
The visuals are very “electric” and wild. They tend to pulsate and flash a lot. They are very rhythmic. They are sharper than those of DMT.
Auditory hallucinations are more common with bufotenine than any other tryptamine SWIM has tried.
Unlike DMT, it's not psychedelic.
The trip lasts many times longer than a DMT trip (1-3 hours).
It doesn’t have the DMT rush some people enjoy.
It’s more relaxed that DMT.
It’s not as alien as DMT can be (because it’s not psychedelic).
As with DMT, breakthrough experiences are possible with high doses (15-20 mg).
In all animal tests the LD50 was shown to be higher than that of DMT.
It’s often compared with ayahuasca in that the visions are usually more meaningful that the flashes seen with DMT.
It’s not as immersive as DMT. You always feel grounded. This is because it’s not psychedelic (or only very weakly psychedelic).
Does SWIM like it?
Bufotenine is SWIM’s favorite hallucinogen (but not his favorite psychedelic). He likes it more than DMT. It was apparently in widespread use at one point in time, until ayahuasca took over. Snuffing Yopo is very unpleasant causing lots of side effects and pain in the nose. SWIM’s tried it many times and doesn’t like it that way. However, smoking pure freebase bufotenine is a different story. When pure freebase bufotenine is smoked, the side effects are minor and only last a minute or so and can be avoided altogether by starting with a small dose and working up.
SWIM uses bufotenine far more often than DMT. SWIM finds it much more friendly than DMT and prefers the longer duration. SWIM likes the fact that it’s not psychedelic.
69ron
Rising Star
For me, the term “psychedelic” specifically describes the entire array of effects produced by LSD. It was in fact coined to describe LSD’s effects.
It’s only the visual and auditory effects I’m calling “hallucinogenic”. The extreme emotional and mental alterations typical of LSD are what I’m referring to as “psychedelic”. Some people call this psychedelic "mind fuck". For example, 5-MeO-DMT is absolutely psychedelic, but only weakly hallucinogenic.
I'm sorry, my use of the term psychedelic is rather narrow and maybe a better more precise word should be used instead.
How about psychotogenic? That's probably more accurate.
Do you know a better word to use to describe the extreme emotional and mental alterations typical of LSD that doesn't encompass the audio and visual effects?
It’s only the visual and auditory effects I’m calling “hallucinogenic”. The extreme emotional and mental alterations typical of LSD are what I’m referring to as “psychedelic”. Some people call this psychedelic "mind fuck". For example, 5-MeO-DMT is absolutely psychedelic, but only weakly hallucinogenic.
I'm sorry, my use of the term psychedelic is rather narrow and maybe a better more precise word should be used instead.
How about psychotogenic? That's probably more accurate.
Do you know a better word to use to describe the extreme emotional and mental alterations typical of LSD that doesn't encompass the audio and visual effects?
well when SWIM takes LSD his thoughts become very slippery and hard to understand and grasp..they are changing so fast....as the same with DMT....but SWIM is guessing with bufotenine..your mind stays clear and you can watch the visuals with your normal everyday mind...like watching a movie or something
69ron
Rising Star
Yes, exactly. Your mind is effected a little bit, but not in a "psychedelic" way. You might find it a little hard to concentrate at high doses, but it doesn't feel mentally "psychedelic". For example, you won’t get insight into your life, you won’t see things as if you’re looking at them from a different point of view, you won’t get thoughts melting into each other, you won’t get extreme bliss or extreme terror, etc. All of those mental "psychedelic" effects are pretty much absent from bufotenine. You do get a little intoxicated mentally, but its nothing at all like DMT or LSD. Even pot and alcohol affect your mind more than bufotenine does.
Imagine DMT with all the mental effects removed, the visual effects increased, and the duration lengthened. That’s bufotenine. It’s almost purely hallucinogenic without being mentally and emotionally “psychedelic”.
SWIM likes the mental and emotional effects of LSD. They can be very rewarded. But they can also be very draining. It’s not something SWIM likes all the time. Usually SWIM just wants to have visual effects and doesn’t want the other effects. That’s why he likes bufotenine so much. It almost completely free of psychedelic mental and emotion mind alteration effects.
Imagine DMT with all the mental effects removed, the visual effects increased, and the duration lengthened. That’s bufotenine. It’s almost purely hallucinogenic without being mentally and emotionally “psychedelic”.
SWIM likes the mental and emotional effects of LSD. They can be very rewarded. But they can also be very draining. It’s not something SWIM likes all the time. Usually SWIM just wants to have visual effects and doesn’t want the other effects. That’s why he likes bufotenine so much. It almost completely free of psychedelic mental and emotion mind alteration effects.
Ah yes I didn't read into the article well enough but still ancient snuffing tool pretty cool.
DMTripper
John Murdoch IV
69ron said:
No it's just that english is not my first language so sometimes I get confused
But after reading the posts above I get the idea.
Even after reading about the origin of the word psychedelic in "The history of psychedelics" I still didn't get it properly. And erowid and more places classify bufotenine as a psychedelic.
So what do you think about 2c-i and stuff like that. You think they're only hallucinogenic too?
69ron
Rising Star
For me, bufotenine cannot be classified as a psychedelic. It is not a mind manifesting compound.
Dr. Humphry Osmond used LSD to successfully treat alcoholics. He came up with the term psychedelic to specifically describe the mind altering effects of LSD.
The word’s initial meaning was “mind manifesting”. That’s the meaning Osmond gave the word, in essence it means to bring about the powers of the mind or reveal what's in the mind. It doesn’t mean hallucinogenic.
That is the initial meaning of the word, so I chose that word. But since then other’s have applied their own meanings to that word. It now means so many different things to different people.
For me, it means “mind manifesting”, and specifically described the mental effects of LSD, and not the hallucinogenic effects.
"Psyche" means the mind (or soul), and "delic" (from deloun) means to make clear or visible. So put those two together and the meaning is to make the mind clear, or make the mind visible. And this is what LSD does. It brings out the powers of the mind making them more visible to the psychologist and the patient. It’s all about the mental effects of LSD. Not the visual effects.
Dr. Humphry Osmond used LSD to successfully treat alcoholics. He came up with the term psychedelic to specifically describe the mind altering effects of LSD.
The word’s initial meaning was “mind manifesting”. That’s the meaning Osmond gave the word, in essence it means to bring about the powers of the mind or reveal what's in the mind. It doesn’t mean hallucinogenic.
That is the initial meaning of the word, so I chose that word. But since then other’s have applied their own meanings to that word. It now means so many different things to different people.
For me, it means “mind manifesting”, and specifically described the mental effects of LSD, and not the hallucinogenic effects.
"Psyche" means the mind (or soul), and "delic" (from deloun) means to make clear or visible. So put those two together and the meaning is to make the mind clear, or make the mind visible. And this is what LSD does. It brings out the powers of the mind making them more visible to the psychologist and the patient. It’s all about the mental effects of LSD. Not the visual effects.
I found this pretty interesting on erowid in relation to Bufotenine:
And it makes me wonder if consumption/use of bufotenine would have any effects on the body or any relation to that of the levesl of bufotenine found in this study.
I'm not claiming use has any relation (I've never done bufo...yet) but I think it is an interesting question. Though I find the relationship between bufo in the body and these "disorders" a way more interesting find...
And it makes me wonder if consumption/use of bufotenine would have any effects on the body or any relation to that of the levesl of bufotenine found in this study.
I'm not claiming use has any relation (I've never done bufo...yet) but I think it is an interesting question. Though I find the relationship between bufo in the body and these "disorders" a way more interesting find...
So, it is only visuals? Is it only for fun then? No practical use such as self developement?69ron said:
ambi-lysergance
Rising Star
69 ron you are the man! lol
what an excellant and insightfull description.
bufotenine sounds very endearing indeed.
swim will defo be doing further research into this. would a freebase extraction be similar to that of a dmt or more complex? anyway I will see what i can find out.
thanks, one was extremely bored today, it now seems i have a sense of purpose lol
:lol:
what an excellant and insightfull description.
bufotenine sounds very endearing indeed.
swim will defo be doing further research into this. would a freebase extraction be similar to that of a dmt or more complex? anyway I will see what i can find out.
thanks, one was extremely bored today, it now seems i have a sense of purpose lol
:lol:
Kind of funny some of the things Science (the Journal) picks up on sometimes.
69ron
Rising Star
Oh man...old info never dies does it?
That is very old information that was discredited by later studies finding that bufotenine occurs in the urine of everyone, even normal people. Those test studies were apparently “doctored” up.
Here you go
That’s work from WT Carpenter Jr, EB Fink, N Narasimhachari and HE Himwich. I think it was done in 1975.
The interest in bufotenine died down after that study was discredited.
It's funny how people find what they are looking to find.
Before that was proven false they thought they found a simple quick way to detect people with mental problems. Imagine, all they would need is a urine test and then they would know if you’re a mental case or not. That test was going to be used all over the world! Doctors were so excited, finally a way to find mental cases by a simple urine test! Could it be true!!! Yeah it was great, until others tested the idea and found it was completely made up crap, probably done to get funding to buy more bufotenine so they could get high off it! LOL!
Before that, they thought DMT found in the urine meant you were crazy.
You need to be careful about such studies. They are often doctored up to get funding. Until a study is done by many different organizations that find the same results, just consider it an interesting subject and take it with a grain of salt.
shroomzey said:
That is very old information that was discredited by later studies finding that bufotenine occurs in the urine of everyone, even normal people. Those test studies were apparently “doctored” up.
Here you go
That’s work from WT Carpenter Jr, EB Fink, N Narasimhachari and HE Himwich. I think it was done in 1975.
The interest in bufotenine died down after that study was discredited.
It's funny how people find what they are looking to find.
Before that was proven false they thought they found a simple quick way to detect people with mental problems. Imagine, all they would need is a urine test and then they would know if you’re a mental case or not. That test was going to be used all over the world! Doctors were so excited, finally a way to find mental cases by a simple urine test! Could it be true!!! Yeah it was great, until others tested the idea and found it was completely made up crap, probably done to get funding to buy more bufotenine so they could get high off it! LOL!
Before that, they thought DMT found in the urine meant you were crazy.
You need to be careful about such studies. They are often doctored up to get funding. Until a study is done by many different organizations that find the same results, just consider it an interesting subject and take it with a grain of salt.
I remember seeing those things in a caribbean museum. Hilarious looking! I thought it was for tobacco snuff at the time. Didn't know they had yopo on the islands.
Yes as someone who has to read scientific publications all the time one must be very careful about taking everything as truth. And yes these studies are old and outdated. The endogenous tryptamine and insanity theory has not held up as these substances are found in the same levels in normal people as well.