another meeting with this entity

[Al-Wasi]

So.my.last session with vaped DMT. I load 25mg in my machine and meditate for ten minutes or so. As I pick the pipe up my heart starts racing and I realize I'm not ready so I pit it down and meditate some more.

After gaping the whole dose in one time I hold it in and the effects begin. I hear the sound of springs or a cartoonist boing boing sound and my whole awareness becomes this. Its as if my body is dissolving into the sound and I feel as though I'm made of this boing sound. Then immediately I encounter the same Looney entity as before. The things its doing are indescribable. Its as if It just wants to mess with me by doing the most alien and weird things imaginable. There are no words to describe what its doing but I don't like it at all . why is it doing these things? Why doesn't it welcome me? I tell myself to just relax and breathe but these thoughts mean nothing now and don't work so I open my eyes.

Looking at my carpet and such I see the typical hallucinations. And there is a million whispers as if there are all these spirits trying to convey something to me.

This is the third time I've met this being and opened my eyes due to how insane it is. I still haven't broken through and I keep.meeting this being and its making me hesitant to continue.

Does anyone have any advice on how to deal?/should I up the dose and try to just bypass it an dget to a breakthrough as I've heard the journey there can be scary but once you arrive its beautiful

 

[Felnik]

I ' ve suspected for a long time that this type of experience your
describing is a loop of some kind . Like a program that plays out .
I've had variations of this happen many times in the past . It took me
a while to realize there's nothing real there . Something triggers this bizarre
thing to play out . I think it has something to do with the spice and a large fast
dose . It used to scare me then amuse me. Now I find it kind of annoying.
One interesting feeling I've had is that it sometimes feels like a scare display
of some kind as if to deliberately scare us for some reason or a test of some kind .
It also has a very old feeling as if it's something that been playing out for a very long time .

Couple things , try cleaning your spice more . I've noticed this type of thing seems to happen
more with full spectrum stuff . Also space your doses out as in a few smaller hits rather than one
big gulping hit . Finally pay close attention next time I strongly suspect you will
see it's like a weird ass movie loop just playing out . Try to observe it don't be scared sometimes
It's kind of funny .

 

[Guyomech]

I sometimes end up seeing this intimidatingly weird stuff... Not necessarily as you describe but there are these flippy-flappy wibbly-wobbly palm tree guys that gyrate around; their movements are in some ways sensible and predictable but still very weird, and I find myself trying to track/understand the fundamentals underneath this movement which of course is confusing and fruitless. The actions of these forms get crazier and crazier, to the point of being somehow threatening (potentially reality-shattering?) and then I'll often find myself opening my eyes. Then of course I'm still stuck with taking a full turn around the Ferris Wheel with Death in the seat next to me... Opening the eyes does not exempt you from that.

So yeah, it's easy to lose your nerve when it starts getting that weird.

 

[Al-Wasi]

I was just thinking while reading your replies why does this scare me when I know it's just a drug and will wear off but then I read where you said reality shattering. And k think that's it when it gets that weird I think I fear reality will shatter and I'll be stuck in this insane ness forever.

I'm hoping this stops happening and as far as clean spice this has happened to me with different batches. Some I haven't cleaned and another that I washed multiple times. Its been my past three experiences with lower doses. It didn't happen when I was dosing higher but now these trips have me scared to raise the DOS.

 

[Guyomech]

I'd like to assure you that you can have your reality shattered over and over again, you still come back down into your normal self. You might have one mother of an integration ahead of you, but nobody gets stuck in hyperspace. Of course, it is hard to voluntarily walk the plank like that. Try starting out by asking it to show you something truly new, then try to be ready to embrace it.

 

[Felnik]

I can promise you that you won't stay in that state . I used to
have that same fear and finally after quite a high number of trips
I finally realized that no matter how crazy weird and deep it gets I always
return to normal . Once I realized that it's always a temporary state that will end
it freed me up to have less fear and observe . It is very reality shattering
Indeed . I suggest that's it's the weirdest most bizarre thing a person could possibly
experience . I've felt like it wants you to be scared for some reason . I guess it's happened
so many times that I'm not afraid anymore . I see it as just one of the many crazy
flavors of the dmt experience. Try a new approach don't be afraid hold strong and stay grounded.
Don't let it scare you . Refuse to let it get to you and just hold steady and observe you'll be fine
no matter what .

 

[Global]

The first thing you have to get out of your head is that you'll get stuck there forever...you won't...and you need to condition your mind to remember this. Repeat it to yourself constantly, even when you're not planning on journeying that day, but especially when you are. In fact those should be some of the last thoughts you drill yourself with as you're lighting the pipe, especially if you're experiencing that kind of anxiety to that extent. When you're in the thorough grips of DMT, you want it to be a subconscious, automatic reflex that has your mind reminding you that no matter how far out you are going to get or are at the moment, that reality will always manage to put itself together for you, and sometimes a bit more quickly than you may have liked it to have done. So that's point number one.

#2: I am quite familiar with these loops that everyone is referencing. Some of them can be frightening, and some of them can be lovely, but just over the board intense. There can be a sense of sequence to it all, like as Felnik said: a movie loop playing itself out. Actually, it's possible to disconnect from the experience (often on accident) to such an extent so as to behold the experience from the "outside" and what would have normally seemed like smooth, fluid motion, reveals itself to be running on a hidden metronomic kind of "clock". It is good advice to avoid burning your DMT, as this especially can increase the incidence of super-intense, super-fast-forward types of experiences. The good news is that if you can keep your cool (and the advice from above comes in handy here), and sit tight through the mania, there can often be great rewards of deep euphoria and insurmountable beauty waiting to flower, as the tightly bound energetic objects "leak" their high frequency energies to flood your environment. On the other hand, there are in my opinion what are most likely truly negative loops and entities that should be avoided, but it would be difficult for me to convey to you the difference between what I consider to be a truly negative loop compared with a loop that is simply difficult to handle either because of the sheer amount of repetition, the high intensity, and speed, or any combination thereof. You can refer to my Unraveling Negative Entities thread to see my method of how I've come to deal with truly negative entities. The problem is that you don't want to tear apart an entity that may have your best interests out for you, but is simply "difficult" to deal with, versus what is essentially an energetic parasite.

 

[DreaMTripper]

An interesting method global and a great treatment for IBS too! Would you say the vibrations you produced vocally also somehow helped your body. Maybe the entity existed because of your IB? Or caused it?

 

[Al-Wasi]

Thanks for all the replys and help. Funny thing is that I have tons of experience with other psychedelics and I've had some very intense experiences in the past but for some reason with DMT I feel like there's a possibility of being stuck in that state forever.

I should say I've actually been on trips with other substances where I thought I had fried my brain and that I'd be stuck in that state forever ,as I think anyone with a lot of experiences under there belt has, and I know eventually it wears off.

I guess the sheer alieness and intensity of DMT scares me as being in such an intense state in which time is so distorted that 5 minutes feels like forever brings up a lot of anxiety.

Funny thing is I haven't experienced that kind of time distortion with DMT yet I just hope if or when I do its not a experience that's filled with dark energy.

 

[Global]

An interesting method global and a great treatment for IBS too! Would you say the vibrations you produced vocally also somehow helped your body. Maybe the entity existed because of your IB? Or caused it?

I think it's intrinsically connected to the concept of multiple forms of vibration acting on the very vibratory nature of hyperspace. I go into quite some detail in my upcoming e-zine article in issue #2, but to be frank it involves audio vibrations, tactile vibrations with large amounts of resonance all throughout the body, the forced exhalation of air which IME seems to expand energy away from the body, etc... This all translates to a kind of shift in direction that hyperspace cannot seem to really resist. I haven't the slightest clue why I have IBS, but my guess would be that DMT may seem to relieve the symptoms based on its interaction with the serotonergic system.

 

[Al-Wasi]

I'm wondering if low dose experiences are more likely to provoke anxiety and fear. The reason being is the following. The first two times I did DMT I loaded 50mg in my machine and both times although very intense ,though not breakthrough ,didn't have any effect on my mind at all. It was as if the same old me was just witnessing this stuff unfold in front of me.

My third session I dropped the dose to 25mg and it was my first encounter with this maniacal being and as soon as I felt the effects I wanted them to end. Since then I've been reluctant to up the dose back up and have met the same entity each time with 25mg.

Its odd as I read here that DMT is really a roll or the dice and each experience is different. I can say my last three trips have been very similar when using the same dose. I'm thinking maybe go back for 50mg and see what happens next time.

Its odd as people here say 25mg is a breakthrough dose but I haven't been able to breakthrough off 50mg and I'm quite certain my technique is good as its never tasted bad or made my lungs hurt.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Different people need different amounts to breakthrough on.
Many people have reported having a string of similar experiences but you can never count on it occurring it can just as easily throw you a curveball.
As others have said these super weird looping entities seem to signify something, maybe a boundary to something?
The ones I have seen look like they are throwing multiple tentacles at me but they seemlessly loop back into the impossible contortions its displaying. It seemed neutral in intention just discombobulating and hypnotic to witness.
Could simply be some type of thought loop manifesting itself.

 

[darklordsson]

I'd like to assure you that you can have your reality shattered over and over again, you still come back down into your normal self. You might have one mother of an integration ahead of you, but nobody gets stuck in hyperspace. Of course, it is hard to voluntarily walk the plank like that. Try starting out by asking it to show you something truly new, then try to be ready to embrace it.

Exactly what Gyomech wrote. Question it. Who are you, explain yourself, what are your intentions? Most of all tell it not to mess with you, but do it very friendly way so there's an understanding, not a tension put into the exp. but you have the right to know what it wants. Don't let it get to you Theres plenty of weird beings in hyperspace. Many more weirder, many more insightful. But while your there you too are a being of the spirits, so there is equality between you, and them. Like I said you have the right to know.

Peace and love friend!:thumb_up: ---dls---