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wobbuffet

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Hi everyone,

New voice here.
Been lurking around the Nexus for a while and thought it was time to say hello.

DMT intimidates me as much as it intrigues me. I’ve never taken that plunge, but I feel it persistently calling me.

Finding this space where people share so much makes that leap feel less daunting.
I appreciate the bravery of those who have ventured and come back with insights. The unknown feels a little less unreachable.

Curious about how travelers have faced the fright around the substance and how they’ve integrated those experiences into their lives.
I hope in time I can contribute something back, whether that’s artwork inspired by what I learn, or just thoughtful participation.

One day I’ll share my own first experience.
Until then, looking forward to getting to know the community.
 
Hello wobbuffet,

It took me several years of reading the Nexus before I performed an extraction, and even more time to dared to try it, and even more time to create an account and share something in here.

I resonate with both your fear and fascination with spice. Beautiful words.

Everyone is (or should be) careful when dealing with this substance. It's not about the dangers, but about the unknown, the mystery, the revelation. I think most of us react intuitively to spice, we know deep inside this is something big. Even before trying it. And after trying it, I don't think the trepidation ever goes away completely, not even for the most frequent users.

I don't partake often, but when I do, it's almost like I have to force myself to it. There is this almost persistent calling, as you say, but it becomes difficult to hit it sometimes. Or most of the times.

But yes, I think there is something to be learnt, to be integrated into our lives. But what? That's to be decided for oneself :)

Welcome
 
wobbuffet,

Welcome to the Nexus.

I think fear of DMT is natural. If you don't have it before, you will likely eventually experience some of it after some experiences. It is just so darned intense, off the scale, and though set and setting DO matter, it kind of goes beyond set and setting and frankly, with me, when I do a hefty dose, it pretty much jettisons/Deep 6's my intention. Whatever I went in with, I am left just trying to decide if I want to hang on (not a good idea) or utterly and completely surrender (always a good idea).

The keys as far as I can determine is making it into a ritual/ceremony and having well refined letting go/surrender skills.

As I am preparing to launch I state my intention aloud. Then I say in a lower voice, "I am here to surrender; I am really here to learn." I try to compose my mind into surrender - surrender utterly to the experience, do not try to control or guide it. Surrender to the need for acceptance that whatever comes, it may not be what I sought but oh my, it sure is what I needed. Sometimes it takes long term integration time to see the full truth of this for me.



Fear is not a bad thing per se. It gives us valuable information - it tells us there is suspicion that our body or (and this is HUGE) our egos are in danger. It will try to control us to preserve the body and make sure the ego does not feel threatened. When the ego feels threatened it sends panicky signals everywhere that scream, "We are dying!!!! Stop this!!!!"

But here is the thing. . . . . we all have to go sometime. What is wrong with surrendering to death? Who knows a wonderful surprise may await once you are free of the body.

I personally believe and try to enact within my life a philosophy that unreasonable fears should be faced. From early childhood after a savage German Shepard attack I had a terrible fear of dogs. Yet facing that fear, over the long term, has caused me to come to love dogs AND has made me some real money as a cat sitter and dog walker. Facing unreasonable fears can pay off.

Is fear of DMT unreasonable?

Well if you are physically fit, in good heart and blood pressure health, then there is nothing to fear physically from DMT. It is a super safe drug as proven by it's excessively short half life of activity. It occurs naturally within our bodies, the bodies of other animals and the structure of plants. It is part and parcel part of Mother Nature.

Most of the fear comes from the ego. When the ego hears about and/or experiences DMT it recognizes it as a threat. This is because a decent dose of DMT works to free us from our connection with our bodies and if we go deeper it elevates us to a place beyond the ego.

I confess I find it hard to go that deep these days. Last time I broke free of the body (but not the ego) was over two years ago and it was an accident (I did not think that dose would take me so deep when I smoked it). I too work to attempt to manage the ego fear.

DMT is hard to do after the honeymoon ends. It is quite literally anti-addictive. When users talk about forcing themselves, they are not forcing all of their selves, they are forcing their ego to either quiet a bit or just take it, with various types of results.



I think the best way to keep fear in hand yet do some exploring is to extract some freebase DMT (see the wiki link above), invest in a good mg scale (and keep it clean, batteried, calibrated and on a flat surface), procure or create a smoking device then start/open a journal and begin explorations with low doses, gradually titrating up until you find a personal sweet spot.

Then you can do some exploring at that level and if it gets too much you can do less or abstain. If you want more you can once again begin to very gradually titrate upwards to see what there is to see.

And once you launch try to surrender utterly. You are not there to control, guide, judge . . . . you are there to observe and bring something back if possible. When dealing with something so powerful really that is all we can do.
 
Welcome! I also enjoyed hearing about your fear and fascination. I think that's how most of us felt in your shoes.

I think it's good to feel the fear, it heightens your awareness and you are mentally bracing to be overwhelmed. Most people don't regret scary trips, if they have one. But I think the people that do regret it maybe had no idea what to expect and were surprised by its intensity.

You can't fully expect what happens in a breakthrough no matter how much you read about the experience. Nothing can fully prepare you, so it's always a leap of faith. I think that leap of faith is synonymous with trust, acceptance, surrender, and other words that describe the moment. It's the releasing of tension, letting go of fears, that initiates the rush. It immediately rewards you for doing it, and the dynamic shift in your emotional state manifests the break through.

To summarize, there's nothing to fear but fear itself. Not to sound cocky but I've actually had a couple trips recently where I didn't feel any fear at all. I wanted that vapor like a person in the desert wants a sip of water. So the fear transformation isn't even necessary, you can find bliss if you think about love.
 
I am not afraid of anything but myself in there - it’s my panic mind that gets me - when i observe it don’t feed kt and instead do the thing it fears i get to be in the moment and see what it is showing me and get euphora - then at mid doses the panic mind keeps yanking me back with some new game - it will never end - i am habituating to it a little bit at a time - no other psychedelic med is so fast and startles my ego and leads it to panic - i need to immediately surrender and ask for MORE of what I fear - this is the way
 
wobbuffet,

Welcome to the Nexus.

I think fear of DMT is natural. If you don't have it before, you will likely eventually experience some of it after some experiences. It is just so darned intense, off the scale, and though set and setting DO matter, it kind of goes beyond set and setting and frankly, with me, when I do a hefty dose, it pretty much jettisons/Deep 6's my intention. Whatever I went in with, I am left just trying to decide if I want to hang on (not a good idea) or utterly and completely surrender (always a good idea).

The keys as far as I can determine is making it into a ritual/ceremony and having well refined letting go/surrender skills.

As I am preparing to launch I state my intention aloud. Then I say in a lower voice, "I am here to surrender; I am really here to learn." I try to compose my mind into surrender - surrender utterly to the experience, do not try to control or guide it. Surrender to the need for acceptance that whatever comes, it may not be what I sought but oh my, it sure is what I needed. Sometimes it takes long term integration time to see the full truth of this for me.



Fear is not a bad thing per se. It gives us valuable information - it tells us there is suspicion that our body or (and this is HUGE) our egos are in danger. It will try to control us to preserve the body and make sure the ego does not feel threatened. When the ego feels threatened it sends panicky signals everywhere that scream, "We are dying!!!! Stop this!!!!"

But here is the thing. . . . . we all have to go sometime. What is wrong with surrendering to death? Who knows a wonderful surprise may await once you are free of the body.

I personally believe and try to enact within my life a philosophy that unreasonable fears should be faced. From early childhood after a savage German Shepard attack I had a terrible fear of dogs. Yet facing that fear, over the long term, has caused me to come to love dogs AND has made me some real money as a cat sitter and dog walker. Facing unreasonable fears can pay off.

Is fear of DMT unreasonable?

Well if you are physically fit, in good heart and blood pressure health, then there is nothing to fear physically from DMT. It is a super safe drug as proven by it's excessively short half life of activity. It occurs naturally within our bodies, the bodies of other animals and the structure of plants. It is part and parcel part of Mother Nature.

Most of the fear comes from the ego. When the ego hears about and/or experiences DMT it recognizes it as a threat. This is because a decent dose of DMT works to free us from our connection with our bodies and if we go deeper it elevates us to a place beyond the ego.

I confess I find it hard to go that deep these days. Last time I broke free of the body (but not the ego) was over two years ago and it was an accident (I did not think that dose would take me so deep when I smoked it). I too work to attempt to manage the ego fear.

DMT is hard to do after the honeymoon ends. It is quite literally anti-addictive. When users talk about forcing themselves, they are not forcing all of their selves, they are forcing their ego to either quiet a bit or just take it, with various types of results.



I think the best way to keep fear in hand yet do some exploring is to extract some freebase DMT (see the wiki link above), invest in a good mg scale (and keep it clean, batteried, calibrated and on a flat surface), procure or create a smoking device then start/open a journal and begin explorations with low doses, gradually titrating up until you find a personal sweet spot.

Then you can do some exploring at that level and if it gets too much you can do less or abstain. If you want more you can once again begin to very gradually titrate upwards to see what there is to see.

And once you launch try to surrender utterly. You are not there to control, guide, judge . . . . you are there to observe and bring something back if possible. When dealing with something so powerful really that is all we can do.
I don’t think it’s the DMT we fear - it’s ourselves or our reaction to it - I agree it really helps if you create it and your work and heart is in there but it’s not the whole story - surrender is talked about but there is an unconscious part of us that protects us in life or thinks it does - usually way over reacting - DMT shows us this part of us - I am in a NON battle with myself in the DMT space working on not feeding my loops or reacting beyond doing more of what the fear object might be - it’s amazing teacher
 
Thanks for weighing in everyone.
Reading your perspectives has been inspiring and humbling.
It’s reassuring to know that even seasoned travelers still feel the fright.

I believe I understand. Surrender is key.
Surrender in outcome and expectations.
Surrender to thoughts and control.

Its fascinating how our inner dialogues pull in opposite directions once facing this journey.
I will be taking your experiences as an anchor when the time comes.
 
I’m really struggling with it too - but I see it in my life - tension flares at minor things - I see it and stop the loop -so dmt is showing me too - I’m not there yet - amygdala is over reactive - so let it panic and flash and it’s just part of it - redirect to presence- say “it’s so cooool- I wish it lasted longer - wow look at it “ while the panic sirens and strobe yells at me - I’m trying to look through it and I see presence and beauty that rewards me immediately- takes intense focus and absolute discipline to not feed loops
 
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