another way to infuse dmt into ceramic flavor disks!...

[starway6]

I recently found that one can take melted spice and simply spred it on top of ceramic disc ..[without heating disc]..by pressing it into ceramic pores and it vapes great!

I have another idea where crystal dmt can be poured on top of un heated disc and infused by simply placing a tiny drop of 95 percent IPA or everclear on the spice with dropper and it should desolve into a water like consistancy very quickly [spreding the mix across the disc evenly with a pin]..alowing for quick penatration into the disc.
Then after a few minutes the IPA should be dry and smell gone and ready to vape!
This is the same way dmt is infused onto changa.. and thought this may be an option to pre heating the disc and posibly causing the disc to turn black with butane soot..
I think this method of infusion would also work with full spectrum spice too..
I think this is good idea..:d

 

[ooo0ooo]

Old post, but a great idea. Anyone tried it out?

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[starway6]

Ive done it.. it works fine!

 

[ooo0ooo]

Good stuff starway6!

I was thinking about combining your approach with Mr. Peabody's method as documented here - MicroChanga - Changa - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Seems to have a lot of advantages - simple, clean, easily loaded, consistent, longer-term storage than freebase crystals and no need to obsess about getting crystal pulls vs. just using dissolved goo.

Experiment mode ON!

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[starway6]

Good stuff starway6!

I was thinking about combining your approach with Mr. Peabody's method as documented here - MicroChanga - Changa - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Seems to have a lot of advantages - simple, clean, easily loaded, consistent, longer-term storage than freebase crystals and no need to obsess about getting crystal pulls vs. just using dissolved goo.

Experiment mode ON!

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Thanks..
I beleive this can be done with dmt crystals or goo by simply desoloving the spice in IPA or high proof drinking alcohol/..

And if one can carefully weighs the crystals ..[or goo]..before hand and desolves in a measured amount of alcohol and can figure out the math corectly..
Then ..[after shaking bottle]..the dosage can be figured out corectly by amount of drops used!
Then store amber colored dropper bottle labled as ...[an inocent herbal extract]... in a cool place or refrigerator...
This may be good idea ...[as long as the dmt can survive a long time].. without going bad...
Use an amber dropper bottle to protect from sunlight...
example below...

 

[Entheogenerator]

Seems to have a lot of advantages - simple, clean, easily loaded, consistent, longer-term storage than freebase crystals and no need to obsess about getting crystal pulls vs. just using dissolved goo.

What lead you to believe that a tincture would have a longer shelf-life than dry freebase?

 

[starway6]

The DMT molecule it self can last very long time but because of changing temps it can oxadise ..and melt back to a goo...
It can also be discovered by the wrong people who may analize it and find its dmt..!
Being in an IPA tincher it would look and smell like the leagle product on the lable reducing risk to the person...

But being suspended in alcohol.. it would be easier to handle and aply by giving it a simple shake to mix it just before aplying..
By putting a few drops on a ceramic stone is super easy.. as IPA would dry quiuckly and more drops could be added. as the IPA pushes the liquid dmt compleatly into the stone ..without the need to pre heat the stone!
As long as one has a good idea of measuring the doses...this should be a very easy way to store and aply the DMT...
As long as the spice doesnt degrade in IPA and i dont think it would to soon!

 

[ooo0ooo]

What lead you to believe that a tincture would have a longer shelf-life than dry freebase?

That appeared to be the general thrust of Mr.Peabody's experience in the thread quoted above. No direct experience whatsoever - pure hypothesis only. As a chemist, I write a hell of a good sonnet...

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[Jees]

Some contradicting info about storage in ethanol.

In this very thread and over here

...I also like your idea of storing dmt in ethanol in the freezer and applying dropwise onto herbs. It is a nice, sound concept. As for degradation, my first bet would be no, it won;t degrade with extended storage times, but on the other hand none has put that to test AFAIK. I do not see why dmt should degrade when stored in solution...

it seems just fine and the way to go, but over here

... I remember there being several replies from some of the more "seasoned" members that storing it long term in naptha would degrade the molecule ...

Would same comment apply to ethanol?

Yep

it is counter spoken.

Some confusion.

 

[ooo0ooo]

Agreed - I can't find anything definitive one way or the other. Time for a test?

- Measure 3x known quantities from the same re-x batch and source
- Dissolve in ethanol, IPA and heptane/naptha
- Keep a control of the same amount of freebase
- Store in the same amber vials for a year
- Pull 'em out and extract
- Measure quantities of NN vs DMT-oxide

Maybe...

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[starway6]

Some contradicting info about storage in ethanol.

=posts&m=484191]over here[/url]

... I remember there being several replies from some of the more "seasoned" members that storing it long term in naptha would degrade the molecule ...

Would same comment apply to ethanol?

Yep

it is counter spoken.



Some confusion.

Well I think they said storage in napatha ..[might degrade the dmt]?
We are talking IPA...
No one knows what will happen unless they try it!:thumb_up:

 

[Jees]

...We are talking IPA...

Yes, you were referring to IPA but also to everclear or high proof drinking alcohol, that makes ethanol relevant here.

I asked about ethanol specifically, deviating clearly from naphta issue, I did not really mix those two up.

...No one knows what will happen unless they try it!...

I guess so.

Thanks for making the OP.

 

[starway6]

This may be another advantage to using alcohol for storing dmt..
In that dmt is less likely to crystalize over time and stay evenly deluted.. unlike when using napatha over time.. dmt sometimes can crystalize inside vessel interupting even dulution of product..

please corect me if im wrong.. but ive never heard of dmt ever crystalizing mixed in alcohol..

 

[anrchy]

I dont think that would be an issue if it had started crystallizing in solution. Is the only cause of degradation oxidation?

Cant oxidation only happen where oxygen is present?

 

[The Traveler]

I love the higher level of reasoning again people. Keep up the good work.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Mr.Peabody]

Well dtrypt commented on having a vial of DMT tincture from 2010 that is still active. You find it in this thread. It was not smoked, and there's no telling mow much if any potency was lost, but 4 years is pretty decent. It at least suggests that it lasts, and does not seem to accelerate degradation.


It seems like there are three threads that need to be combined. The micro changa one, the liquid dmt one, and this one we are in right now.


As for myself, I did note a definite (though, anecdotal) decline in potency of my traditional changa after a year.

So far, after about 5 months in my freezer, my ethanol DMT seems to be just as potent as before. I'll definitely keep an eye on it, and report what I find.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Well dtrypt commented on having a vial of DMT tincture from 2010 that is still active. You find it in this thread. It was not smoked, and there's no telling mow much if any potency was lost, but 4 years is pretty decent. It at least suggests that it lasts, and does not seem to accelerate degradation.


It seems like there are three threads that need to be combined. The micro changa one, the liquid dmt one, and this one we are in right now.


As for myself, I did note a definite (though, anecdotal) decline in potency of my traditional changa after a year.

So far, after about 5 months in my freezer, my ethanol DMT seems to be just as potent as before. I'll definitely keep an eye on it, and report what I find.

Did you use absolute ethanol or 95%? I wonder if the small percentage of water in Everclear would have any effect on whether or not the DMT will degrade...

I think I'm going to join in on this little test here, store three even amounts of DMT in 95% ethanol, 99% IPA, and VM&P naptha for a year to determine if DMT is more likely to oxidize in one than the others. I am out of ACS-grade petroleum ether and I wish I had some absolute ethanol, but using Everclear and VM&P will be more applicable because people on the forum are more likely to have access to those/have those around their house.

 

[ooo0ooo]

Excellent! Thanks a lot for doing this test Entheogenerator. It will be great to have a definitive view on the subject.

I would recommend also throwing an equivalent amount of FB in the same style storage container to act as a control too. That would indicate whether or not there was any anti-degradation advantage in storing in liquid, (over and above the flexibility of liquid preparations as discussed here and in Mr.Peabody's other threads).

Cheers!

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[Mr.Peabody]

I just used everclear, which is 96% ethanol, I believe. I doubt that the little bit of water will do anything, but I know if not sealed properly, the ethanol will attract more water. Who knows then?

I think I'll actually take some of my tincture and make a small batch of changa to be more scientific, and have a side-by-side comparison in a year, and two years. I'll keep it in a similar, dark colored container at a similar temperature, too.

I'm happy to see the interest in this! It's nice to have collaborators!

 

[Entheogenerator]

Excellent! Thanks a lot for doing this test Entheogenerator. It will be great to have a definitive view on the subject.

I would recommend also throwing an equivalent amount of FB in the same style storage container to act as a control too. That would indicate whether or not there was any anti-degradation advantage in storing in liquid, (over and above the flexibility of liquid preparations as discussed here and in Mr.Peabody's other threads).

Cheers!

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Yes, that's not a bad idea. I have stored freebase crystals in an amber vial for over a year in the past with no significant degradation. But having a control is a necessity for producing the most accurate possible results with the given circumstances.