Any others still sub breakthrough by choice?

[hobobrown]

I've had DMT for a long time now. Yet, I still have not wanted to take the full plunge until I feel my mind and life is in perfect order. I moved to a different state almost 2 years ago (in the deep south) and haven't met anyone who is even remotely into anything like this. I have always felt I should at least have someone familiar close by once I breakthrough. I guess you could say I don't feel much comfort in my surroundings since moving here.

I've been experimenting with higher doses of mushrooms lately instead. At least until I can get into a comfort zone. I plan on trying a breakthrough (I have LOTS of changa) on my vacation back home next week. (I need some good vibes)

I was wondering if anyone chooses to stay in a sub-breakthrough state and hasn't broken through either? If so, what are your reasons? I'd like to hear it! Thanks for reading and good travels.

 

[anrchy]

For the longest time i stuck around 15-20mg. A few times every once in awhile i would venture past that mark but i had a inefficient device.

My first breakthrough was on accident. I was dosing small to try and get the balls to go big and breakthrough. I pussed out on the second dose and went small again in hopes that the next dose was bigger.

Bam! Brokethrough. I think it was a 20mg dose. I had predose anxiety when it came to dosing big. After that breaking through was easier, abd on as low as 15mg even.

Sometimes you gotta say ef it. Although theres nothing wrong with taking your time.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

I am one who prefers to stay in the sub-breakthrough area for most of my experiences. I contribute it to having a very difficult first experience with the spice though, in which I smoked some changa through a bong that also had a separate dose of crystals laid on top of it. The dose on top of the changa was already enough for a breakthrough, probably around the 30mg mark, possibly more, however we did not have scales that measured that low at the time and thus were unable to correctly measure our doses.

Needless to say this experience was a bit frightful, and knocked me on my ass for a good twenty to thirty mins, and that was just the peak effects. The whole experience lasted around 40 minutes, with very strong visuals after I came back into reality. I would compare the come down of it to probably a dose of 4 grams of REALLY strong mushrooms.

After dealing with that experience, I was put off of trying to breakthrough again. I have done so a few times since then, but mostly enjoy staying in the 20mg range now. I feel I dont need a breakthrough to completely enjoy what the spice has to show me. As long as its close to a breakthrough dose, I feel that I can lay down and meditate into the same state that say a 30-40mg dose would get me too, without the stronger body load (something I dont like very much).

I do enjoy a good breakthrough on mushrooms though, if done properly. Maybe its because it doesnt hit me all at once and I can ease into it. Maybe it has to do with the lesser body load due to my dosing method. Who knows. All I know is I dont completely enjoy getting launched out into the abyss anymore. It could also be due to a lot of life struggles lately that I feel will greatly bother me if I go deep enough, and it scares me how it might effect the experience. Hopefully once all of that is over I will feel more comfortable with going deeper as well, and will be able to experiment with higher doses.

Just take it easy and take it one small step at a time. If it does not feel right to breakthrough, then dont. Find your personal comfort zone and stick to it. If you treat the spice with respect it will treat you equally and still show you magnificent things and teach you what it has to teach.

 

[universecannon]

I find non-breakthrough doses of changa to be very useful, especially in combination with things like dance, music, yoga, meditation, and nature. Especially after drinking some caapi/rue/harmalas

But sometimes you just have to take the plunge...I'm almost always glad I did so afterwards. Maybe just find your center, take a low dose, meditate, then go for it.

Now that I think about it I'd usually rather breakthrough than have one of those deep sub-breakthroughs where its like your sort of caught in a tornado, straddling between the dimensions (although sometimes they can be wonderful, of course). At times those ones can actually be more dysphoric and confusing than if i'd gone a bit further. They also don't have the same depth of that fearless moment of complete love where your laughing and crying at the same time in the most humble, grateful, and joyous state of oneness and acceptance.

My ego can come up with a thousand million 'rational' sounding reasons to try and avoid its own annihilation... but more often than not, when i'm honest with myself, its excuses are just rubbish. I do think lower doses (especially of harmala-heavy changa) are very underrated though


~~~~good vibes ~~~~

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

something like 10 of the last 12 times I enjoyed/used DMT I used non-breakthrough doses

I tend to use the breakthrough doses when there is something on my mind that I need to think about from another dimension, so to speak, it affords an interesting perspective

though strangely a few nights ago i was dreaming and had a cup of tea in my dream and then suddenly noticed I was having a dmt sensation and then lo and behold in my dream I broke through and was having a full on psychedelic experience in my dream, extremely colorful and patterned filled... I awoke amazed for never having had that experience before. so I wonder, can I count that as the last time I broke through or not?

 

[hobobrown]

I appreciate the responses everyone. I enjoyed reading them. I think one of the biggest deterrents is that my apt is literally 30 feet from a fairly busy road. So there is constant chaotic noise of cars (random police sirens, big trucks, etc) driving by. I could use music, but I can definitely still hear the cars which I don't want influencing my breakthrough in any way. And noisy neighbors that play music all the time. I can't wait to move.

Now that I think about it I'd usually rather breakthrough than have one of those deep sub-breakthroughs where its like your sort of caught in a tornado, straddling between the dimensions (although sometimes they can be wonderful, of course). At times those ones can actually be more dysphoric and confusing than if i'd gone a bit further. They also don't have the same depth of that fearless moment of complete love where your laughing and crying at the same time in the most humble, grateful, and joyous state of oneness and acceptance.

I can totally relate to that. I bet the feeling of going over the edge is quite a relief once you've been dancing and tumbling around on it for so long. It can be extremely disorienting to me...not that the breakthrough should be any easier.


On my vacation next week, my buddy has a ranch house on the countryside that is completely silent and comfy. Plan on having an interesting time with DMT and high doses of mushrooms. I love my mushrooms and they love me too.... My mind has always been "ready", but my surroundings haven't been as courteous.

 

[SpartanII]

I think one of the biggest deterrents is that my apt is literally 30 feet from a fairly busy road. So there is constant chaotic noise of cars (random police sirens, big trucks, etc) driving by. I could use music, but I can definitely still hear the cars which I don't want influencing my breakthrough in any way. And noisy neighbors that play music all the time. I can't wait to move.

I also live in an apartment next to a busy road. It doesn't have to be a distraction.

Try detaching from your thinking/judging mind as you listen to the sounds of the busy road. Observe it as pure sound and use that as the focus of your meditation.:thumb_up:

 

[Global]

I can relate to living near a noisy road. For me, the sudden sound of a motorcycle whizzing by or a large truck is enough to derail the experience. It's just unfortunate really.

 

[Non Dua Natura]

Try detaching from your thinking/judging mind as you listen to the sounds of the busy road. Observe it as pure sound and use that as the focus of your meditation.:thumb_up:

This is actually some profoundly useful advice for utilizing DMT in a meditative setting. To observe, as SpartanII refers to it, "pure sound" is to experience hearing and that which is heard without distinction. If you're able to penetrate this aspect of experience and see how the imputation of a hearer occurs, it's possible to eliminate the sense of an independent "I" from the experiential field. Not simply to see through the illusory nature of a self - although DMT also provides the opportunity for this too should this be more appropriate to your developmental interests - this is about seeing the interdependence of all things.

On the subject of the OP...

I too enjoy sub-breakthrough doses, mainly for meditative purposes but also just 'cause it's a beautiful thing in itself. It gives you more of a chance to explore the vestibule to hyperspace, to familiarize yourself with the way perception behaves and what changes as you go deeper. In fact, as others have mentioned, I like starting out with a sub-breakthrough dose as a primer for further adventures.

Do what feels right to you, have fun with it and fall in love with it.

 

[anrchy]

As far as noise goes there's a few things you can try that can help if it doesnt bug you too much.

Noise canceling headphones

Ear plugs, with a loud fan (static noise) and music playing.

Or if your bathroom is farther from the road often times they insulate from sound better. Make a comfortable spot to lay down, get a loud fan, ear plugs if its still not good enough.

Some ear plugs are actually quite comfortable, this coming from someone who can't stand the feeling of ear plugs and some cause ear aches.

 

[Global]

I never found those remedies to be much better than just listening to traffic. Music obviously had its unique set of benefits, but it falls in the category of distraction as well. Sometimes I would get up early to smoke when there were no cars on the road. Silence is ideal.

 

[anrchy]

I dont have a whole lot of traffic by my house, but i like using a fan to drown out any little sounds (i have a drip in the shower) and the fan kind of sounds similar to the background noise of hyperspace that i get on occasion.

Plus with pure silence, and a dose of Dmt, my hearing ability gets magnified and i can pick out tons of sounds going on in my house that i usually dont pay attention too

 

[hobobrown]

Try detaching from your thinking/judging mind as you listen to the sounds of the busy road. Observe it as pure sound and use that as the focus of your meditation.

Like Sparatan and Natura said, I think with practice that meditation explained could work. My only concern is keeping that state if a Harley motorcycle or sirens pass you by abruptly in the thick of it which would be past the preparation of meditation. I think at that point no meditation can shield you autonomously. I am probably wrong because I have little experience with meditation. It's just a thought. Fill me with knowledge I need. I am open for anything and everything...

 

[universecannon]

I'd get some noise cancelling headphones and gradually get accustomed to the feel of them while tripping

I used to hate tripping with headphones but i've had some great ones now, especially with binaural beats, even while breaking through. It can be too much though at times and distracting, so i do prefer silence for higher doses

 

[hobobrown]

I'd get some noise cancelling headphones and gradually get accustomed to the feel of them while tripping

Good idea, thanks. That's actually perfect. Any other kind of psychedelic i prefer to be in complete silence/darkness. I will definitely look into getting some of those headphones.

 

[Tranzcentral]

I broke through by mistake, i thought 22mg would be fine, thinking i'd need much more if i wanted to break through..:lol: