Any way to avoid "the purge".

[Beyond the veil]

Hello all, new to the site and like what I have been reading.

I have a slightly strange problem that is quite a stumbling block in terms of exploring the infinite realms. The problem is if I ever be sick, I black out, literally collapse just as I begin to be sick or just before it, I have woken up on my back before and had been sick during the blackout, luckily didn't have asphyxiation, and plenty of other times been sick during the blackouts.
I have no idea what causes this, it came out of the blue around 25 years ago after a night out drinking and got up the next morning feeling really rough, proceeded to the throne and woke up on the floor with my head between the wall and the throne, I remember coming around and could tell my body was twitching (like convulsions) just before I knew what had happened.

I guess I am trying to highlight how serious this issue is in terms of something I really need to avoid at all costs for obvious reasons......and now on to the point of this post.

I want the ceremonies and travels with my sacred teacher Dimitri to last longer, I have Syrian Rue/Peganum Harmala as the catalyst for these longer journeys, but I can't risk purging. Is there any way I can prepare this without that risk, Dimitri has been nudging me to meet again, and I know I must go.

Hoping someone can help this reunion to last longer, as I have coming difficulties ahead that I know I have to face.

Sending love to all who need it.

 

[🌺🔥🫧]

Hello!

I would try preparing your plant medicine as a suppository(boof, rectal) forumaltion ~

You might need to change the doses around, but generally you would just make your brew, filter out the cell particulates with a coffee filter, reduce the filtered fluid for greater density, freeze it as an ice cube, then administer the ice cube rectally.

This should absorb faster than in the stomach i'm pretty sure (albeit water is absorbed very fast in the stomach). It will also bypass the first pass metabolism which may have some effects on strength. If it absorbs too fast then you might want to prepare a Haramala ice cube and followed by a mixed ice cube (Harmala + DMT). You could consider smoking a mild changa as well in addition to this to layer perhaps.

I have not done this myself (!) it's just an idea, but I think it would keep you safe from purging. I am also curious whether you have done any medical or other investigations as to why this occurs in the first place, as those may indicate a greater health risk, or possible solutions to the problem in the first place..!


Best of wishes!

 

[Beyond the veil]

Hello!

I would try preparing your plant medicine as a suppository(boof, rectal) forumaltion ~

You might need to change the doses around, but generally you would just make your brew, filter out the cell particulates with a coffee filter, reduce the filtered fluid for greater density, freeze it as an ice cube, then administer the ice cube rectally.

This should absorb faster than in the stomach i'm pretty sure (albeit water is absorbed very fast in the stomach). It will also bypass the first pass metabolism which may have some effects on strength. If it absorbs too fast then you might want to prepare a Haramala ice cube and followed by a mixed ice cube (Harmala + DMT). You could consider smoking a mild changa as well in addition to this to layer perhaps.

I have not done this myself (!) it's just an idea, but I think it would keep you safe from purging. I am also curious whether you have done any medical or other investigations as to why this occurs in the first place, as those may indicate a greater health risk, or possible solutions to the problem in the first place..!


Best of wishes!

Thank you for that great reply, that's certainly something I wouldn't have thought of, but sounds like a very plausible way to get around this problem. Aya and pedro is unfortunately off limits for me too because of this, which for me is a real shame as it is something that greatly intrigues me, it badly limits me in how I can safely travel.

I did go to the doctors after it happened initially 25 years ago, but pretty much nothing they could do for me so it is something I just live with, albeit if I ever know I am going to be sick through illness, I do get very anxious and try everything to not be sick, as a blackout is inevitable if I am.

You have certainly given me food for thought.

 

[doubledog]

Extracted and purified alkaloids could be your way to go, as they tend to not cause so strong purge in comparison to plant brews. But they still can, so you would still probably need some sitter to check on you.

 

[Beyond the veil]

Extracted and purified alkaloids could be your way to go, as they tend to not cause so strong purge in comparison to plant brews. But they still can, so you would still probably need some sitter to check on you.

That's my worry, I have contemplated trying a small dose to see how much I can tolerate without being sick, but it would probably be wasted time. I think that even if I found that threshold, a) it wouldn't be enough to make the experience last any longer, and b) it would likely have an effect on the overall experience going into it with that anxiety of being sick. Personally speaking from my own travels and highly likely everyone elses, my mindset plays a huge part in the places I end up going to. Strangely (or maybe not so strange) I have to be in a positive state of mind when preparing the medicine, I don't want any chance whatsoever of negativity entering into the mix or even anyone entering the room with negativity and contaminating the brew, I have too much respect for it to be taking any chances at all, and I will forever be the disciple in my interactions with it.

 

[modern]

Properly preparing the teas can also greatly reduce the purging effects. I would always hard boil down teas but noticed a simmering boil without jumping results in a cleaner experience since less sugars are burnt. Also not acidifying and just pulling with water also helps a lot. Filter and filter. You can start with a hard boil but reduce heat when water level drops some. Also prevent taking excessive amount of the alkaloids.

Do a tiny extraction on a portion so you know the amount you are likely taking. Some take excessively high amounts even when not required.

And with harmalas taking a few days in a row at lower doses and working up helps as well.

 

[Sabnock1990]

Ime/imo, using pure alkaloids or clean teas helps a lot, but as far as anti-emetics go i really recommend trying out Limonene or Lemon Essential Oil. Lemon EO was touted online years ago as a remedy for Psychedelic-related nausea/vomiting, some people speculated it was the Beta-Pinene content in Lemon EO that was responsible by blocking the Serotonin 3 receptors (like Zofran or Ginger for example), however Beta-Pinene doesn't appear to have Serotonin 3 antagonism as a property and ime pure Beta-Pinene doesn't give the desired result, but once i had tried Limonene i realized it was the Limonene in the Lemon EO that was responsible for the anti-emetic properties and pure Limonene works just as well if not better since it's a pure compound, so since then i've stuck to 10 drops of pure Limonene, or 10 drops of Lemon EO, in a capsule, taken either a few hours before or at the same time as, the Harmalas, and it not only helps with Harmala nausea/vomiting but it also helps with DMT nausea/vomiting, so there's like no nausea/vomiting, whatever the Harmalas or DMT does to trigger nausea/vomiting, that trigger doesn't get triggered with Limonene in the mix and so everything just digests and absorbs as anything else would, without causing any hint of nausea. The only thing i've noticed about Limonene is that if i take it at the same time as the Harmalas, sometimes it's offset the onset of the DMT by about a couple hours but after that the DMT kicks in as it should, but if i've taken the Limonene say 2 to 3 hours beforehand the anti-emetic properties seem to still be there and yet it doesn't offset the DMT.

So i'd really recommend trying Limonene or Lemon EO, it apparently works with all Psychedelics for relieving nausea/vomiting, from what i've read and experienced. In comparison, while some folks say they get relief from Ginger for example, i've personally found Ginger and Zofran to not really help for me personally, plus for whatever reason they cause some undesirable reactions for me in combination with Harmalas+DMT, Peppermint i think helps me somewhat but it also seemingly makes things feel slightly retarded, and anti-cholinergics can help with motion sickness and dizziness and maybe some nausea but they don't get everything. So far only Limonene has worked for me, i highly recommend it.

 

[Beyond the veil]

That sounds like the perfect solution Sabnock, I will give that a try in the very near future and hopefully it will allow me to have more time to absorb the experience, quite excited about the prospect looking forward to see how this goes.
Thank you.