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Astral Projection / Naturally Induced DMT Trip Advice Needed

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ab381

ab381

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I have recently developed the ability to open my third eye by myself which started when i listened to a binural beat with my friend on the weekend which was supposed to stimulate the pineal gland and it sure did work. over the last few days i have been completely having out of body experiences within 5 minutes of shutting my eyes and relaxing. today i shut my eyes and was out of my body for nearly 1 hour and 30 minutes flying through what looked like hyperspace but it wasnt as fast or intense as a salvia or dmt trip it was just more soothing.

i wasnt in the real world at this point but i could feel intense vibrations in my head which felt pretty amazing while all the other parts of my body fell numb, i slowly came out of the trip and tried to stand up and i felt a bit dizzy but it seems to be wearing off quite quickly.

what i want to know is there anyone else on this forum who can relate to my situation in terms of being able to do this and is there anyway i can control it properly because within 5 minutes of shutting my eyes it kicks in and its quite annoying sometimes when i just want to lie down and rest without going through a trip thanks.
 
I used to experience sleep paralysis frequently when I was younger. Often it would lead to an out of body experience. It sounds like this *might* what you are talking about....I'd suggest doing some research based on the terms "sleep paralysis" and also "Wake Induced Lucid Dream". What binural beat were you listening too? Please provide a link.



*Edit* But I'd like to know if this is really what you are talking about. Is the inability to move part of the experience? Buzzing noise in the ear/or the center of the head? I left this out before cos' I wanted to avoid asking leading questions, but whatever. The fact that you so liken the experience to hyperspace makes me wonder, as the two realms have always seemed dissimiliar to me. And count yourself lucky...once upon a time, when this happened to me, I thought I was either insane or abducted by real life psysical aliens. Once upon a different time, they may have burned us both as witches.
 
im having a look for you on which binural beat it was because i cant find the video on youtube at the moment but as soon as i find it i will post the link on this thread, also in regards to what you said it wasnt actually technically sleep paralyisis because i didnt wake from a sleep and had a comfortable and still position that i wanted to stay in and thats why the trip lasted so long.
 
I have been trying to astral project on and off for about a year but have never succeeded. One time i was trying i believe i almost succeeded. I laid down, closed my eyes and let go of my physical body. I started to feel numb to the point where i no longer felt my body, then i felt vibrations all over mostly in my head though. The pressure around my third eye got so intense it felt like my head was about to explode so i opened my eyes. I wish that i wouldn't have now because i have not been able to get that far again.
 
i usually go into harmala-esque experiences upon closing my eyes for a few minutes but i've learned to enjoy it and no matter what happens i always feel rejuvenated after.. in a similar way, after a night of ayahuasca and only 2 hours of sleep i also feel completely rejuvenated the next day

If your looking to gain more control then there are many traditional and modern methods employed for accessing and navigating altered states, so i would just dabble in as many as you can and find what works for you and build from there..You can come up with your own methods of course and/or make a synthesis of many.. traditional yoga/meditation is a good place to start. Any practice that culminates mindfulness really and focus really..focus is a key thing. but that said- sometimes you just gotta surrender and go with the flow, IME atleast
 
here is the link everyone but be prepared to be able to manually turn on your third eye very easily if you do choose to listen to the video
 
another thing i have noticed is i always go back to the same area in hyperspace/astral plane which makes me more convinced that spiritual realms and other dimensions is where im actually being taken to through activating the third eye
 
did anyone try out that binural beat then? and also im going to have to try and deal with the quickness of my third eyes activation in some sort of way which i dont know yet but hopefully i gain more control over this in the future.
 
ab381 said:
did anyone try out that binural beat then? and also im going to have to try and deal with the quickness of my third eyes activation in some sort of way which i dont know yet but hopefully i gain more control over this in the future.
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yea, it did nothing spectacular except a little tingle, which is normal for any binaural.
that guy telling you to relax gets really irritating after a while...
completely ruined it for me : /
 
yeah the guy can be distracting but i just shut my eyes, put in good headphones and used deep breathing which seemed to work. try listening to it 2 times at least because i think thats the amount that got me in a minor out of body experience which has obviously got stronger and built up to the experience i started this thread about.
 
ab381 said:
yeah the guy can be distracting but i just shut my eyes, put in good headphones and used deep breathing which seemed to work. try listening to it 2 times at least because i think thats the amount that got me in a minor out of body experience which has obviously got stronger and built up to the experience i started this thread about.
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yea, i think another problem as well is my headphones only play at a very low volume, so to hear it properly i have press it to my ear, which makes it a bit difficult to relax..
but i'll see if i can dig up some good headphones (and maybe some incense and mudras couldnt hurt :p) and listen to it a couple-few times all proper-like.
my third eye has been tingling on and off since watching that video close to an hour and a half ago, so maybe there is something to it after all :p
i will get back to you
 
I've had experiences quite similar to what you describe. And while a lot of people here are adverse to the notion that the pineal/ 3rd Eye has anything to do with psychoactive tryptamines (the latest studies showing that it just may be able to make DMT after all notwithstanding)... I have reported here before about tingling, pulsing & throbbing 3rd eye sensations being related to experiences that are extremely tryptamine-esque.

The fact that you seem to slip rather deeply into it and have little or no control is odd... and somewhat disturbing I would imagine. For me it is generally a state I am actively trying to reach. (Mudra stimulation of the pineal gland, purposeful sinking into sleep paralysis, conscious use of exit techniques to induce WILDs or astral projection etc.)

ab381 said:
it wasnt actually technically sleep paralyisis because i didnt wake from a sleep
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Actually, sleep paralysis doesn't have to come from exiting a sleep state. In fact, it is usually induced from a waking state via progressive relaxation. There is a lot of information about this out there on the net. Search for Lucidology 101 on YouTube and you will find a bunch of videos describing the WILD technique.

My feeling on your experience is that these things tend to be rather hard to do... take a lot of practice, years of discipline (yadda yadda). I have a ton of experience with brainwaves, binaural beats and other entrainment techniques, and I can tell you that even with light goggles and professional headphones, listening to a binaural beat a couple times is extremely unlikely to have the effect you describe. Wild visuals are normal with the light glasses, but OBE's... regular uncontrollable AP's? While not unheard of, these things usually require a descent to low Theta or even high Delta... not something easily done by audio only brainwave entrainment for the most part.

Have you had success with APing or WILDing in the past (before watching this video)?

Were you using any entheogens in this time period?

It sounds like this was a rather recent occurrence for you, and it might fade on its own with time. There could be other reasons for having your pineal area become overstimulated as well. It is likely that the binaural beats were just tipping the bucket. If this profound effect is more common and widespread, I might suspect that there is more to this YouTube link than meets the eye. Perhaps there is some subliminal hypnosis track running underneath. Hard to say.
 
@Hyperspace Fool- in regards to what you said i wasn't actually using any etheogens at the time but i did smoke some cannabis afterwards but that wasnt what activated the visions because it happened after listening to the binural beat which occurred about 3 hours before smoking the cannabis.

@Parshvik Chintan- nice too hear your making some progress with the video and im looking forward to hearing your results.


On another note, its been a day since i had that 1 hour and 30 minute Trip and today i woke up in the morning noticing that i could see slightly through my eyes when they are closed, basically when im in front of a light source such a computer screen i close my eyes completely and wave my hands and i can see a sort of shadow image of my hands in my mind and i can see the motion they are moving in. is this normal to all humans or could it be linked to my third eye?

whatever is happening to me its really strange and i am hopefully going to be able to make sense of it soon
 
ab381 said:
@hyperspace fool- in regards to what you said i wasn't actually using any etheogens at the time but i did smoke some cannabis afterwards but that wasnt what activated the visions because it happened after listening to the binural beat which occurred about 3 hours before smoking the cannabis.

@Parshvik Chintan- nice too hear your making some progress with the video and im looking forward to hearing your results.


On another note, its been a day since i had that 1 hour and 30 minute Trip and today i woke up in the morning noticing that i could see slightly through my eyes when they are closed, basically when im in front of a light source such a computer screen i close my eyes completely and wave my hands and i can see a sort of shadow image of my hands in my mind and i can see the motion they are moving in. is this normal to all humans or could it be linked to my third eye?

whatever is happening to me its really strange and i am hopefully going to be able to make sense of it soon
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Wow it's funny you put this because this has been happening to me lately, the afterimage effect you describe above. I've been chalking it up to just eye sensitivity, but it's been getting quite prominent, happening almost daily sometimes multiple times a day.


For me it's always when I turn the light off as I leave a room I can still see the room perfectly even though I can't 'see' out of my eyes since it's pitch black. It lasts only momentarily, so short lived it can easily be just my eyes playing tricks on me. It was worth mentioning since this is the first time I've heard of another entheogen user experiencing this phenomenon.


When I'm tripping hard, I can close my eyes completely and still 'see' my surroundings. Very peculiar sensation.


OP, research the works of Robert Monroe. He developed an audio series that guides you to be able to astral project. I recently just obtained the tapes and they work way better than I had hoped. For example, my girlfriend who has never had an out-of-body experience even on an entheogen, has tried the first CD of this series. She came out of it one time, absolutely amazed telling me she could feel herself float above her body and sort of fall back into it as the tapes ended. We're both actively working our way through the series now with great success.


A worthy note about AP, from the people I've talked to, the research I've done, and my own personal experience, it's very difficult to learn how to AP while smoking pot. Trust me, I love me some ganja, but fact of the matter is it's actually a hinderance to learning how to control your sleep/awake cycle, which is what I understand AP to be involved with. So, as a word of advice if your really serious about learning to AP, try to cut out cannabis while your learning and I think it might really effect your results.


Also, read the books Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey by Robert Monroe (available for free in PDF, just google it). These books are highly informative and, imho, the closest correlation I've found between the entheogen alterted state and the out-of-body state and he draws a pretty compelling map of the omni-verse.
 
thanks for this great advice "Tek" i will look into that audio series which might help me out and deal with this and its pretty intriguing that you are also experiencing these afterimage effects also.

Also i would actually just like to tell everyone who is looking to do the binural that its probably a better idea just to achieve opening your third eye naturally through meditation practices because your mind will then be at a stable level to handle out of body experiences better. Personally i cant find anything more amazing than these experiences (Good and bad experiences) in the world but then again there's that part of me that regrets not activating my third eye in a completely natural way because i get the feeling of being completely overwhelmed throughout the whole day.
 
today i noticed another thing which is something seems to be touching parts my body and my whole body vibrates has anyone had experiences like this, also being able to see around me is getting more noticeable and its not just an afterimage now its more of view of things like waving hands that i can view all the time when shutting my eyes and often the hands will be more noticeable as they sometimes have a sort of neon glow around them.
 
Sleep paralysis is often interpreted by the subject as alien abduction. Tingling, buzzing, sensing a presence ect are all common enough in cases of SP.


I used to get the buzzing in my head. Personally, my astral experiences do not seem tryptamine-like to me. I am not at all dismissing the theory, simply reporting my own personal sense-data. With more experience in the WILD/SP/Astral and also with a deeper experience with spice and ayahuasca, who knows? Right now I'm just happy that others have had the experience too and are reporting on it. I once suspected myself an abductee and surely thousands of people have had thiese experiences and, in ignorance, are left with only fear.



blessings and goodness y'all
 
Thanks ab381, I'm going to try this out. Since my first spice voyage last year I've had similar experiences where I would wake up shortly after falling asleep, finding myself floating around in my room. There seem to be several different ways of OOBEs. I've always suspected that Hyperspace is in fact the astral realm: a space where thoughts manifest instantly.
 
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@Tek: Yes, I can only recommend Robert Monroe's books and tapes (CDs). I've read his books when I was young and to me they are the closest attempt to describe hyperspace. I urge any spice-o-naut to read these since I firmly believe this is the realm (astral world) we're in when in hyperspace. As for the CDs, I've had some limited success with them but I blame that on being too impatient back then, I lost them somehow during the years, but now I'm curious to try these binaural beats ab381 found.
 
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