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Attempted to break through with 45mg, breakthrough thrawted by my anxiety and panic. (

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crakkbakk

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I had been thinking about finding the perfect time to break through for the first time (I had done some low dose experimenting and am experienced with other psychedelics) and I thought I had found it, at 2pm, 2 hours before work. I did some basic meditating to clear my mind, put 45mg weighed on a mg scale in a bong sandwhiched between two non-psychoactive herbs. Lights were turned off.

I felt it creeping up on me before I cleared the bowl. I like to blow smoke through a filter when I am inside so my place doesn't smell. When I cleared the bowl my mind starting thinking faster than normal, "I'm supposed to blow it through the filter. Find the filter. Fast." I believed I was thinking that so I could go lie down in bed as soon as possible to initiate the break through (I've read and identified that physical distractions can prevent a breakthrough, such as standing or sitting uncomfortably). I relaxed after I blew through the filter.

Then I forgot what I was supposed to do, and my mind started to race faster and fast, starting out slowly and getting faster with each thought. It was worrysome that I did not know what I was supposed to do and caused great tension and even a sence of panic. I did not forget I did DMT, but I did only think about it after I started to worry about why I was feeling very panicky. After I told myself I had just inhaled DMT I then worried about why I was having a bad trip, then I worried about why i was unable to control my mind from panicking, then I was worried about my panicking, then I really had no fucking clue what I was supposed to do (forgot about the DMT again), I lost sence of time and physical space (even though I had vision of my world, but at one point for a short moment I thought I was only thoughts (at the very peak of my panick), with each thought comming faster and increasing my panic and fear.

But soon after this peak I recalled I had done DMT and I was supposed to jump into bed. I relaxed a bit, took off my clothes automatically without thinking about it even though I put them on because I would have been cold, jumped into bed, immidiently regretted my decision about the clohtes, thought about putting them back on, saying no i just need to be in bed. At this point there were no visual effects, almost. I believed that my mind was causing this. At this point I thought that maybe it was over and I got out of bed. I believe then I started panicking again, but this time about whether or not I was going to be late for work. I could not understand the concept of 2 hours, its not that I didnt know if I had work really soon even though I only took the DMT less than 5 minutes ago, but it was that 1 hour and 55 minutes was uncomprehendable by me and I didnt know if work was soon or not. Then I paniced about what I was supposed to do next. What should I be doing right now.

When the panic wore off, the visuals came back and they were extreamly beautiful. Then I noticed that they began to "take over my perspective (take over how I would normally read the visual programming language, by which I meant I thought shapes were colors, they were one (thats definitly not the right way to put it in words, however), and I felt like I was about to snap out of this reality but never did. The visual hallucenations were much more intense than any other psychedelic I have tried so far.

I decided I should get back in bed with the lights off and make the most out of it. When I closed my eyes I saw or visually thought that "tendrals" if that is the write word were curling around somethin on the left and right parts of my vision.

It creeped me out and I got out of bed, took a walk. Decided I need to do smoething. I have to do something. I have to smoke. No cigarettes, lets drive to get them, can't drive on DMT, need cigarette, need to do something. This calmed down after a minute, however.

I was then left emotional and confused for about 40 minutes and smoked marijuana which made me feel emotionally better. All mental effects completely gone at the 45 minute mark.




Now, I have thought about it, and my best guess is that I had an anxiety attack, induced by both the DMT and the pscyhological thoughts I was having, which prevented breakthrough and any euphoria I normally associate with low dose DMT. I believe that if I can control my psychological thoughts, the DMT won't cause me to go into panic mode again. I need both of them to cause the panic attack. Then I tried to determine what psychological thoughts I had that caused the anxiety attack. I noticed a reoccuring theme that I always felt it was ABSOLUTLEY necessary for me to be doing something. I had to be doing something, getting something done. I also was fearing that I had no clue what needed to be done. That fear of not knowing what needed to be done bothered me a great deal. The time issue bothered me as well. I believe that if I have trouble grapsing the concept of two hours and that experience certainly didn't go as how I intended, I should not do DMT if I have a responsibility or even later on in the day so this won't cause me any trouble. The filter was also an issue too.

From these conclusions I can generate a general theory of what I should do next time: Blast off if there are no responsibilities for the rest of the evening, do not worry about the filter for the smell of smoke, remember ahead of blast off time that last time I had trouble with feelings of not knowing what to do next, and that it was ok if I did not know what was next, I was blasting off and all I had to do was lie in bed and let the DMT do the rest of the work and not resist it.

Maybe I would benefit with a notebook that said "You are on DMT, you are preparing to blast off, let the DMT do the job, don't fight it, don't worry about what is next. You will see when you release yourself." or something to look off if my thoughts get in the way.


Does anyone else see this in a different perspective? I would love to hear what you have to think.

For those of who can relate to anxious thoughts stopping, haltering, or making a trip unpleasant, please share what has helped you conquer that.

Thank you!
 
I have a similar reaction when I smoke too much too soon.

I usually smoke 20mg which I can quite happily put away in one lung, however sometimes I'll have 40-50 and try do the same and it all happens just a bit too quick and I start worrying about logistics like putting the pipe down and what not.

I find if I use 3-4 inhalations that get gradually bigger in size this doesn't happen and I can go much deeper.
 
Well DMT hits quickly and you don't have time to think about getting clothes off or getting into bed. The peak is less than a minute after smoking. Many people even have trouble putting down the pipe and so have a friend around to take it from them. You should definitely be in the position you want to be in (preferably leaning back in a comfortable chair) when you first begin inhaling.

My first DMT trip as well was very disorienting. It hit so fast that it was scary. Suddenly it looked like all objects in the room were everyplace at once in front of me. But like you I remembered that I had just smoked DMT, and that I just needed to be calm and the trip would end soon enough.

Probably experience with smaller doses over time will help lessen your fears so you can relax more and enjoy a trip with a larger dose.

elphologist
 
I have a little ritual that I have to go through to clear my head before I feel comfortable enough to trip. I have not broken through on DMT yet, but I have on salvia, and my prep is always roughly the same.

I know exactly what you mean about feeling anxious, I just try and make sure there is nothing bothering me in the back of my mind, as I worry it will come to the fore and cause a "blockage" or negative aspect to my trip.

I make sure I am in the right mood, the room is tidy, I'm in comfy clothes, my phones are off, the doors locked etc. It's a bit OCD, but I feel doing these mundane tasks helps me focus on what I am doing, and makes me totally comfortable with my set and setting. After all that is out the way, I ask myself if there is anything I missed. If the answer is no then I clear all thoughts and say a prayer asking to be looked after and stating my intentions. Then I go for it.
 
Thanks for the replies, this was helpful.

After that experience, I have noticed that when I smoke a 100% sativa strain of marijuana that I have pretty..blatant visual distortions (when compared to what it should normally do) as well as ....sub-psychedelic effects. Is this normal? I would have thought DMT cleared out of your body fast enough, maybe the psychedelic effects make sence but not the visual to me.
 
Probabily programming..Each experience you have creats an imprint..that is like a pathway..like a creakbed, so it's easier to slip into that dip and have that experience again..

I think this is what flashbacks are about..any significant experience creates a strong imprint..you had a traumatic experience and now when you smoke cannabis you "slip" back a little bit into that imprint and experience the visuals..

Well, maybe anyway:wink:
 
I agree with 1664. I get pretty OCD about things in general, but especially if I am planning to blast off. DMT likes things clean and straight and symmetrical, so I make sure everything is in place, I make sure nothing can come to mind and distract me.

I lock doors, switch off telephones and switch off TVs. I don't have any music playing either. I turn the lighting really low and make sure that I am warm, comfortable and that my surrounding is of a warm and comfortable ambiance.

I'll get comfortable in my chair and have a nap or a bit of meditative shut-eye for 10 minutes or longer. This is when I clear out the mind-clutter.

Keep in mind that it will be about 5 minutes before you open your eyes, so don't worry about the smell. From your bong to a neighbor's nose is not likely to happen, and especially not that quickly. So leave the filter, that's paranoia.

I have a cloth on the coffee table next to my chair, I always manage to put the bulb down on it as I'm leaving. When my hand or even the concept of holding begins to become blurred, I know it's time. Then I close my eyes, sit back and shoot off into the stratosphere.

I don't move a finger, I don't even think of anything. I do NOTHING. Any sound or movement can pull me back or out of the experience, so I need to shut everything and every thought out. This way you let it happen, you let it do what it has to. This way is the only way I can find my groove and continue the work.

I can tell if you are able to see and contemplate getting undressed, it's over. If you actually manage to get undressed after smoking and get into bed, the peak is gone, long gone, if ever there was one.

You've got 3-4 minutes from lighting up, then until 10 to 15 minutes to bask in the mellow glow. Don't fuck it up with filters and shedding clothes to get comfy in bed.

Good luck.
 
ghostman said:
I lock doors, switch off telephones and switch off TVs. I don't have any music playing either. I turn the lighting really low and make sure that I am warm, comfortable and that my surrounding is of a warm and comfortable ambiance


While SWIM ususally does the same thing here, an occasion came to mind where he had dumped a pile of spice in his roll up cig and smoked that. Of course this wanst a break through experience, needless to say he was still pretty altered by the end of it. When he had finished the smoke he lay back on his bed and closed his eyes. The tv was on in the background, but the strange thing was that the dialogue coming from the TV was like answering/confirming his thoughts. It was really strange. Like any thought he had, the following dialogue explained it.!!!:shock:
 
ghostman said:
I agree with 1664. I get pretty OCD about things in general, but especially if I am planning to blast off. DMT likes things clean and straight and symmetrical, so I make sure everything is in place, I make sure nothing can come to mind and distract me.

I lock doors, switch off telephones and switch off TVs. I don't have any music playing either. I turn the lighting really low and make sure that I am warm, comfortable and that my surrounding is of a warm and comfortable ambiance.

I'll get comfortable in my chair and have a nap or a bit of meditative shut-eye for 10 minutes or longer. This is when I clear out the mind-clutter.

Keep in mind that it will be about 5 minutes before you open your eyes, so don't worry about the smell. From your bong to a neighbor's nose is not likely to happen, and especially not that quickly. So leave the filter, that's paranoia.

I have a cloth on the coffee table next to my chair, I always manage to put the bulb down on it as I'm leaving. When my hand or even the concept of holding begins to become blurred, I know it's time. Then I close my eyes, sit back and shoot off into the stratosphere.

I don't move a finger, I don't even think of anything. I do NOTHING. Any sound or movement can pull me back or out of the experience, so I need to shut everything and every thought out. This way you let it happen, you let it do what it has to. This way is the only way I can find my groove and continue the work.

I can tell if you are able to see and contemplate getting undressed, it's over. If you actually manage to get undressed after smoking and get into bed, the peak is gone, long gone, if ever there was one.

You've got 3-4 minutes from lighting up, then until 10 to 15 minutes to bask in the mellow glow. Don't fuck it up with filters and shedding clothes to get comfy in bed.

Good luck.

Cool, thanks for the advice.

It was funny, however, I did not shed the clothes to get comfortable. I put the clothes on before the trip so I would be comfortable during the trip, other wise it would have been cold. Then as soon as I recalled I had taken DMT and was supposed to get into bed, I had an UNCONTROLLABLE AUTOMATIC "urge" (urge is not the right word, not that strong of a feeling but it was necessary) to tear my clothes completely off.. ha.
 
There is no way I can even lift my arm when I am on DMT. My arms look like skinny sticks, they are not even part of my body, they are foreign objects, just laying there. I think If I tried to stand up, if I was even capable of that thought in the first place, I'd most certainly fall on my ass.

Try the 'do nothing, think nothing' thing.
 
Before I do DMT I have a similar ritual with 1664.. I turn my phone off, take my shoes off, empty my pockets, sit comfortably on the bed with pillows on my back, dim down the lights and I generally have the same music.. That is either Tool, Relax Music from YouTube or Pink Floyd.. I do this because I found that I really feel comfortable with this music while in a DMT experience! I also have a friend to take the pipe away so I don't have to worry about it and after a few hits he might also do the lighter.. This way you are completely comfortable with entering the experience and you are not worried about other stuff.. I think it's really important that you wont have to move when the spice "hits" you (like go to the bed or whatever). It's better if everything is just in place ( including you :D )
 
soulman said:
ghostman said:
I lock doors, switch off telephones and switch off TVs. I don't have any music playing either. I turn the lighting really low and make sure that I am warm, comfortable and that my surrounding is of a warm and comfortable ambiance


While SWIM ususally does the same thing here, an occasion came to mind where he had dumped a pile of spice in his roll up cig and smoked that. Of course this wanst a break through experience, needless to say he was still pretty altered by the end of it. When he had finished the smoke he lay back on his bed and closed his eyes. The tv was on in the background, but the strange thing was that the dialogue coming from the TV was like answering/confirming his thoughts. It was really strange. Like any thought he had, the following dialogue explained it.!!!:shock:


Hows that for syncronicity!?!
 
SWIM's preparation for my first spice journey was as follows:
A clear desk, light trance music, switched off my phone. Then SWIM took a wank :oops: ( SWIM heard orgasms help one go into a meditative state, much like deep sleep), drank water for hydration, changed into PJ's and blasted off.

And the result - a very positive, relaxed trip.
 
vetiarvind said:
...Then SWIM took a wank :oops: ( SWIM heard orgasms help one go into a meditative state, much like deep sleep), drank water for hydration, changed into PJ's and blasted off...

That's funny guy - one less thing to worry about, I guess.
 
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