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Awesome dmt effect separator discovery

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Well i discovered something im quite pleased with - a way to separate spice into 2 piles - one with mostly physical fx, body buzz etc - and one with mental and visual and carrier wave effects.

The square terminated spice grown with the aid of benzine is the physical one

what is left after washing spice with benzine - is the mental/visual/carrier wave one

iv tested both on 4 ppl now - so it seems proven
 
The only three things I can think of are n-Oxide/nn-DMT seperation, contamination and Placebo.

1. How do the two piles look? e.g. Is one more oily as the other? Different color?
2. How did you do the extraction? No possibllity that you got other substances mixed in it (eg. limonene previously used for mesc extraction)?
3. And did you try to double blind administer the spice? Placebo are not only strong by itself but expectations are highly potentiated with DMT use.

If this for some other reason works however then I'm in to test it myself. :)


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
very odd - the rectangular terminated one - has a worse taste - its pure xtals.
the rest of the stuff - the mental one - looked like unxtallized solid spice.

i didnt mention anything to the ppl before i just asked them to compare them

the dlimo was fresh

im not talking nonsense -
 
Phlux- said:
very odd - the rectangular terminated one - has a worse taste - its pure xtals.
the rest of the stuff - the mental one - looked like unxtallized solid spice.

i didnt mention anything to the ppl before i just asked them to compare them

the dlimo was fresh

im not talking nonsense -
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I think you'll have to write more on the issue and you definitely need to be far less cryptic. I have problem with the way you present your findings. You do not mention your way of extraction (you say limo but followed with what? And from which plant source?

From your posts it appears (at least to me) that you got pure "white" spice (which is assumed to be of high purity) that is actually at least two substances? So this seemingly pure product can be washed with benzine to yield one spice fraction that does NOT dissolve in benzine and is the "mental" and another that is soluble in benzine, has different crystal structure and is the "physical" one?

Do I read you correctly here?
 
Sorry il try be less cryptic.

Blab tek - full spectrum yeild.

This full spectrum/jungle yeild was washed with hot benzine 2 times.

The benzine was left to cool and evap and yeilded these

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as posted in the just some xtals thread - rectangular terminated spice xtals
These are the ones with strong physical effect and minimal mental and visual fx and had a stronger taste.

what was left in the jar after the 2 hot benzine washes xtallized on the bottom of the jar - i didnt take pix and it got smoked
this spice was very very visual and had a strong audible carrier wave

both lasted about the same amount of time - but the after fx lasted a tad longer with the second batch of spice(stuff left over)

both were given to 4 ppl without telling them a thing - just asking them to compare - their statements are in line with my experience with the 2 kinds of spice.

i just havent found a way that separates the physical aspect and the visual aspect so well in the past - and was quite chuffed.
 
Thanks phlux,

from what it seems, the leftover from the benzine clean-up is dmt, oxide and rest alkaloids, and it is no surprise that this gives a proper dmt experience.

The benzine soluble thing is purer dmt. The shape of the crystals does not relly mean much since the same substance can be form different crystals if crystallised from different solvents. Can you try to dissolve these rectangular spice in hexane or heptane and see what crystals they form? I would be surprised if they would be rectangular again!

Also, can you find what the benzine solvent contains? crystal formation also incorporates solvent molecules inside its lattice (just as mineral crystals are often composites of many different salts) and it is not always a simple case of evaporation to remove this "residual" solvent molecules, because it is not residual but rather part of the crystal structure and also part of the end-preparation product.

The latter would account for the change in effects (EDIT: ...and the harshness of the smoke). Another test to do would be to dissolve these crystals in alcohol, and let it evaporate. The crystal structure will break and the co-crystallised solvent molecules will be released.

To recap, two things to try from my side;

1. Try to crystallise the rectangular crystals in another solvent, preferably hexane or heptane - do they still crystalise as rectangular?

2. Try to dissolve the rectangular crystals in alcohol, then let alcohol evaporate; you may repeat this 1-2 times - does this change the effect experience to the dtanderd dmt experience?
 
what was left in the jar after the 2 hot benzine washes xtallized on the bottom of the jar - i didnt take pix and it got smoked
this spice was very very visual and had a strong audible carrier wave
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What did these crystals look like? White/clear...yellow? clean xtals or little goopy?

great looking photos:wink:
 
tryptamine as contam ?
is tryptamine harder ?
i think is an aid in re-x - is synthetic dmt like vaseline ?
 
Very interesting findings phlux.

Do you think it could be NMT? A lot of acacias have NMT as well as DMT, however I am not sure if NMT could be present in mimosa. Isn't mimosa closely related to acacia? Are you sure it was mimosa not acacia sold as mimosa?

If this IS NMT this would be extremely helpful to those who extract from acacias like Australians.

:)
 
It sounds weird to me... actually as i have experimented on myself, n-oxide and fats give me the best CEVs ever.... and the purer white stuff is more intense body feelings and better OEVs.. So i relate this situation that benzine discards n-oxide and other stuff much better than other solvents may be, so that you get very pure stuff that makes more body effects, i dont know sounds like one possibility..

On lower doses of glass clear xtal shards i have smoked were effective on body on lower doses to me.. but there is a certain limit before i get any visuals from them (mostly above 40mg).. unlike the yellowish spices i smoked which could give me nice CEVs from ~25-30mg..

I think this can be the case, so i wanna ask you what doses did you give to your test subjects. can you tell me the doses for both spices you gave them to try please?

And i agree with Infundibulum at that point about the shards shape, that its just related with the solvent type IMO.

But still very different looking shards to say man... Congrats man nice work :)
 
Yah ok update time - *decrypted* first.

I think this has to do with either saturation - speed of xtal growth - and evap time/temp perhaps.
a lot of variables i know but here is an example.

A few grams of full spectrum spice from a blab tek done on mhrb was placed in a bottle and benzine added - this was heated in a hot water bath and swirled.
After a few mins the benzine was poured into a dish and left to re-x a few hours later - there were nice pointy xtals.

More benzine was added and the liquid and spice blown around with a pippette this time in a much hotter hot water bath - the spice was mixed in far more too - by aid of pippette.
This was poured off into a dish and left - a day later - nothing - perhaps too much benzine was used and the first re-x got most of it ?
Then a few more hours and massive - thick pure white cubic almost - rectangular formations that are still growing - far slower growing than the pointy ones.

Pointed ones are always there in the morning if u do a re-x before bed - the rectangular one takes a lot longer to form.

I hope this brings us one step closer to getting a tek down for this.
 
smells a bit different

so the rectanuglar ones just keep getting bigger - with so much solvent left - yay.

the pointy ones dont grow any bigger after a certain stage unless u cool then warm in rotation or - cool very slowly(over 36hr or so) from the time its removed from the hot water bath.
 
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