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abo

abo

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Hello Nexus,

1 week ago SWIM smoke 50mg yellow DMT (without re-x) with vaporstar + a waterbong. He had maybe 20 beautiful, amazing trips before with white DMT(with re x) and had 2 VERY VERY mindblowing trips (he saw a entity) with yellow DMT. But this trip with the yellow DMT was diffrent: He smoke the DMT hold it 10-15 seconds than the room gets darker and darker (he smoke it afternoon at daylight). He looked at his hands and his skin color change from white/brown to black! Then he scared. He look at his chair and a deamon came from the window and sit down. He feel the demons. He closed his eyes and saw a screaming woman. He run out his room to the living room and the room was orange/brown. Then he got racking headache. Very painfull. After 2 hours of racking headache the trip end.

Why did this happend?

I mean with the same spice he got 2 very very beautiful amazing, maybe the most mindblowing trip ever and one very bad trip full of fear.

I mean he saw the paradise and the hell with the same spice... but why?

Did anyone had the same feeling and a bad trip with dmt?
 
abo said:
I mean he saw the paradise and the hell with the same spice... but why?
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To fathom Hell or soar Angelic, just take a pinch of Psychedelic - Humphrey Osmond

It's not necessarily the chemical...set and setting are pretty crucial and we all bring ourselves to the experience. Have there been hectic, aggravating, or troubling occurrences in your day to day life? Have you been under stress? Have you been eating "right" and exercising and keeping mentally and physically active? Any of these factors (and many more) could contribute to a difficult experience.
 
Could be that your spice has oxidized somewhat since you last popped the top on your vial, but more than likely the answer is just that the brain is a complicated organ.

I've had on more than one occasion a blissful, fear free experience, followed up by a horrowshow 20 minutes later. It doesn't take more than a kernal of fear to give way to an opera of terror. Set and setting are fragile variables, and DMT is a powerful magnifier of whatever lays buried in your psyche.
 
Its not 'bad dmt' thats causing your bad trip..its probably just fear. The scariest places one can go is to deep hyperspace, i have no doubt. The universe is a terrifyingly beautiful and horrific place all at once. You can see the most amazing things, and some disturbing things. When seeing the bad a lot of people jump on the more mideival assumption that it was a demon, or bad spirit, or whatever, and was trying to cause them harm.

You gotta realize that demon in this case is just a culturally created word trying to shuffle things really complex, which we know very little about, into one mental classification. I would avoid getting attatched to the idea that they are demons, or any projected, or apparently objective, meaning -(angels, gods, aspects of self, nimphos from pleaides ect). I'm afraid its far more complex than our little mental maps can fathom :lol: . Its necessary to keep your wits about you, not come to any quick conclusions about the expereince, and keep a resilient good sense of humor when using dmt in order to keep yourself grounded. The shield of love works.. We fly highest with two feet firmly on the ground!

Some things will try to scare you just for fun, then peel a layer and reveal love. Others will persist untill the trips over. I find it best to just smile no matter what and strive not to succumb to the fear, but not to resist fear. What we resist usually will persist (same case with these "demons" ). Just recognize fears place, and let it pass.
 
It's probably not the quality of your spice.

When i was a kid, my mother always told me not to watch too many episodes of the A-team. All that terrible violence on TV is just not good for the fragile mind of a child. It's probably something like that; you watched too many episodes of the A-team, knightrider or airwolf when you was little...such things come back to haunt you.
 
SnozzleBerry said:
Have there been hectic, aggravating, or troubling occurrences in your day to day life? Have you been under stress? Have you been eating "right" and exercising and keeping mentally and physically active?
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It was a normal day just a little bit nervous. But i drink 2 days before the trip too much alcohol. Before the trip i dont fear or smth like that because i never heard about a scary hell trip with dmt. After i breath out the fear come.

polytrip said:
you watched too many episodes of the A-team, knightrider or airwolf when you was little...such things come back to haunt you.
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I know what you mean. Hmmm... maybe, but the other 20-25 trips wasnt "scary"

UniverseCannon said:
When seeing the bad a lot of people jump on the more mideival assumption that it was a demon, or bad spirit, or whatever, and was trying to cause them harm.
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Yeah... i dont know how i can describe that...


I know that i must go again to the hyperspace to understand this but i´m afraid of this.

What can i do?
 
Hmm... well, the opinions on oxidised DMT differ. Most people find it less heavy than normal DMT. For me, it gives normal DMT visuals with less of the other DMT-effects.
Sometimes, dark images just pop-up in your mind for whatever reason.
 
If the spice used in the good trip and the bad trip were practically identical, then maybe it is your mind that has changed and not the spice. The possibility that bad trip=bad spice and good trip= good spice seems unlikely since the same batch of spice produced a good and a bad trip, unless that spice went real bad real quick.

DMT's effects depend on the kind and number of 5-ht receptors expressed at each synapse in your brain, and taking any psychedelic is going to modify gene expression in some neurons to some extent. Gene expression is also modified by exercise, diet, and socializing, so if it's a problem with gene expression then that can be alleviated through time, a healthy lifestyle, and healthy intentions. At least, that's what the FAQ on denied breakthroughs/dark trips suggests.
 
Newfound,

I once had a batch of spice that I had not taken the time to recrystalize. I did not feel to great about this crystal even though it looked great. I gave one person besides myself a toke from this batch, he puked. I found out later that this "friend of a friend" who was already a questionable candidate to begin with, had been drinking and just finished eating a shitload of cheap Chinese food, which I was soon covered in while making sure he didn't choke on his lo-mien the second time around.

I felt really bad, this batch needed to be healed. The next day I smudged with sage and recrystalized this batch. The point is if you don't feel good about your spice you won't feel good about your journeys. If your not confident in it, clean it up, pray with it, whatever you need to do.

Hope you end up with a great batch!
 
I throw more extractions away than I keep. I am downright militant in the purity of anything I take in. If you use something on a regular basis even a little bit of impurity can add up to long term damage. Back when spice was always low quality I had some bad experiences with it mainly when it burned my throat. The sensation under in influence is amplified and I felt as if I was seriously injured. It wasnt as bad as I thought but still your inhaling toxic chemicals that can hurt you bad. The wise man travels cautiosly in these ventures.

But the only really bad trip that I have experienced out of hundreds was when I took spice to the extreme. I have learned that any herbs you take even if they are relatively inert will color your experience. I have had a few negative ( not what I would call bad) trips while using certain herbs. One of the things that I love about caapi is that it puts a very very positive aura about your experiences.
 
I don't consider a scary dmt visions as a bad trip. Rather 'cool scary trip'. What I refer as bad is when I don't reach 'hyperspace' and got stacked in my body during the peak. It could be quite uncomfortable sometimes. I call it 'absolute hopelessness'. I'm turned to broken puppet with frozen blood in my veins. My mind doesn't work properly I have troubles to finish any thought. I can't close my eyes, which is strange. I usually can't hold them open. I'm in 'DMT room', but it is not fun, it is boring. In this state, there is no way to turn it around into delightful experience. Only to wait. There is no hope in there, I can't remember how hope feels:lol: ... I ask my self in there: 'Why have I done this again?'

Anyway, this is what I'm scared of and try to avoid working with spice and it can be avoided. Thank god it's short trip when happens. I always wish for full blown rocket trip, not this bulshit mental purgatory. And witches, evil faeries and demons can suck my cock:d I love them. But my favorite is 'Temple of Blue Sun' dimension. Caapi leaves required and it's mind blowing. It's like 'Stars are the gods of this universe' dedicated lesson-experience. Out-pay all the bad trips...

Regards.
 
I've also gotten pretty militant about the purity of the spice and the smoking technique. I discard many a bowl that i feel is over the hill. For most people it might be perfectly fine. I clean the screens multiple times during a session burning off any residue even if it might be ok. Burnt spice can lead to problems. I always want to be sure of the exact dose i'm getting. melted spice can build up on the bowl and the screen and can lead to a potential overdose sending you over the falls to oblivion Nothing constructive comes from this level. It might seem wasteful to some but the results i get speak for itself. I've found what works for me. ALl I can say is if you adhere to a disiplined set of parameters you will get genuine results.

There is a delicate art to this that takes time to develop, you learn as you go. Bad experiences are part of the process.
SET and SETTING is everything !! always take careful assessment of yourself and your surroundings before blasting off.
I say if you really care about this don't go if something's not right.

Supernatural interpretations are natural attempts to quantify a totally unknown and new conscousness experience. Most of the negative stuff are conditioned projections of our minds based on fear. I suggest to anyone travelling the hyperspace landscape to try and see through fear projections and attempt to see YOUR experience for what it really is. Examine it as rationally as possible. In the beginning it seems to test your limits . Learn to recognize patterns. Try to drop all belief systems when possible. Attempt to open the purest part of yourself to it . When you do this it will love you back a million times over.
 
It happens to everyone eventually. This wonderful molecule kicks your ass and shows you true terror. Its not all unicorns and rainbows. Learn from these scary trips. Be humble, Stay positive, and it will help minimize them.

Goodluck and stay safe
 
Perhaps you also have some insecurities you may need to addres? Why would going from white..to brown..to black with your skin color be a particularly bad thing unless you want it to.
 
hyperspacing said:
It happens to everyone eventually. This wonderful molecule kicks your ass and shows you true terror. Its not all unicorns and rainbows. Learn from these scary trips. Be humble, Stay positive, and it will help minimize them.

Goodluck and stay safe
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I think that's about as good advice as anyone can give.
Although from my current perspective, All is either greater and greater levels of love, or deeper and deeper levels of fear.

Fear is characterised by a slow, dense vibration. The outer circles of the karmic wheel. You should just leave things alone here. They won't notice you, consciousness at this level is very, very dense.
(I once witnessed the deceased spirit of the lady who's house we had bought at this level. Also numerous other horrible things, although I did not freak, because I had started at a reasonably loving place and ventured outward to conquer fear, and learned more about it in the process.)

I don't beleive in deamons. One nexus member told me 'there are no evil spirits, only misunderstood spirits'. That's why it is better to not venture toward those places I described. Everything is twisted there, could be one thing, could be something completely different. but I know this: everything is becoming something else. You can't condemn the lower, because it is becoming the higher.


Good luck in your next adventures. It honeslty sounds to me like you just need a bit more flight experience, and greater purity of intention. LOVE AND GRATTITUDE!! to quote a friend ;)
 
i my experience, burnt spice is the major cause of these problems. I typically get this problem when there is burnt residue left over from a previous toke.
 
Ok, i try 30mg dmt 2 times now.

The energy is still there. I try to concentrate me and try to study the things in the trip.

I dont have a breaktrough (fortunatly) in the negative trips. It is not mindblowing.

I try to describe it:

There are no enteties, aliens demons in this negative trips but there are a negative energy and a scary feeling.

I am a realy "good" guy. I have nothing to do with violence or smth like that. I hate horror films and this stuff. I love every human beeing.

I want to go to the places before i get these bad trips.

I love DMT but i dont want a bad trip i want a amazing trip :)

what should i do
 
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