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Wow Jamie, great post.

This is largely what I have read as well. What I'm still unsure of is how a single man rises to level of supreme Tathāgata when the secret is a mushroom? Seems there has to be more to it than this. Much more.   One theory is that the mushrooms over Buddha are just parasol's... But I don't know that just doesn't all the way jive with me.

Perhaps these early cultures really did take the time to explore in a 'scientific' way the mental realms of psychedelia?   I don't know, but I definitely don't think we have the full picture as of yet.

Even if so, is it potent enough to reach hyperspace? I see you had a thread here about it. Have you experimented with this more?

Try not to hold to much disdain. The majority of people (both eastern and western) have never been exposed to the information or states of mind that we have. I agree the secret is fully retarded though... even though in a limited capacity it is based on a truth, but a truth that is so far removed... it's just laughable.

But people saying Namaste and it's all one.. while admittedly most of these people have a shallow view, it's still better than the people that are trying to claw there way to the top of super corporation x as though only their life matters. Remember everyone starts their journey somewhere and we are all at different places.

I remember when I first got exposed to Eastern thought via Paramahansa Yogananda. I don't agree with a lot of what I used to believe, but this is because my own spirituality has matured greatly over the years.. and quite frankly it's partially why I try to remain humble with what I 'know' today because most likely just around the bend is a higher truth

As for this reality being an illusion. I think science has done a fine job of showing that at the most fundamental level it really is an illusion, but to your point for all intents and purposes it's as real as it gets to us...even the so called enlightened once had to finish out life and die...

The real illusion is this incessant clinging to things as self. IMHO.

And this is where the conversation is meaningless and where I part way's with the Neo Advaita, and lots of other new age crowds.. It becomes a spiritual circle jerk were everyone is busy telling everyone else how they haven't realized the highest truth, etc...   Each person trying to point out what's just past the others perception..   I joined a few of these boards on facebook over the years..   I would try to have dialog with them, but it was just laughable.   I really think the entire Enlightenment NOW crowd needs to take Kilindis's advice and eat the 20grams. I have a feeling their spiritual circle jerking would stop.

I think outside of those practicing a form of psychedelic mysticism these states simply haven't been experienced by very many people. Extreme states of calm certainly arise during deep meditation and I don't deny even grander experiences by those who have logged 10's of thousands of hours, but I doubt it is ever like a break through dose of shrooms. The clear light experienced in this state is simply ecstatic. And BTW I'm not sure how many break through doses a person really needs to have? Ultimately hyperspace isn't any more or any less real than what is percieved with 'sober' mind. It's all mind stuff.

This is very true. Even once enlightened there is still a long causal chain that follows you. BUT with the arising of internal peace the new links in the chain will be towards a more solid foundation. Probably not riches, but likely built from kindness, empathy, and compassion. And people with these qualities tend to have a much easier time in life (though obviously not always).   Jesus is a bad example as he had a mission to be hung, Buddha however apparently lived for quite a while and even set up several monasteries during his day. He obviously was still bound to cause and effect, but I don't believe that he suffered like everyone else... though that is just a belief and nothing more.

But look at say the Dalia Lama. He has been through immense suffering and that man is alway's smiling. I have great respect for the inner peace he exudes on the world even if I don't agree with everything he say's. He has obviously achieved a level of inner peace that is enviable.

Just don't hate.

Shared on facebook this morning.

I'd go with Compassion, Empathy, and Kindness. They all seem to build and feed off each other,

<blockquote data-quote="joedirt" data-source="post: 3742462" data-attributes="member: 6370">Wow Jamie, great post.This is largely what I have read as well.&nbsp; What I&#039;m still unsure of is how a single man rises to level of supreme Tathāgata when the secret is a mushroom?&nbsp; Seems there has to be more to it than this.&nbsp; Much more.&nbsp;&nbsp; One theory is that the mushrooms over Buddha are just <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=parasol&amp;es_sm=91&amp;source=lnms&amp;tbm=isch&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=UG0eVYiOMuOwsATK54LYBw&amp;ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&amp;biw=1742&amp;bih=944" target="_blank">parasol&#039;s</a>... But I don&#039;t know that just doesn&#039;t all the way jive with me.&nbsp; Perhaps these early cultures really did take the time to explore in a &#039;scientific&#039; way the mental realms of psychedelia?&nbsp;&nbsp; I don&#039;t know, but I definitely don&#039;t think we have the full picture as of yet.&nbsp; Even if so, is it potent enough to reach hyperspace?&nbsp; I see you had a <a href="https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&amp;m=533391" target="_blank">thread</a> here about it.&nbsp; Have you experimented with this more?Try not to hold to much disdain.&nbsp; The majority of people (both eastern and western) have never been exposed to the information or states of mind that we have.&nbsp; I agree the secret is fully retarded though... even though in a limited capacity it is based on a truth, but a truth that is so far removed... it&#039;s just laughable.&nbsp;&nbsp; But people saying Namaste and it&#039;s all one.. while admittedly most of these people have a shallow view, it&#039;s still better than the people that are trying to claw there way to the top of super corporation x as though only their life matters.&nbsp; Remember everyone starts their journey somewhere and we are all at different places.I remember when I first got exposed to Eastern thought via Paramahansa Yogananda.&nbsp; I don&#039;t agree with a lot of what I used to believe, but this is because my own spirituality has matured greatly over the years.. and quite frankly it&#039;s partially why I try to remain humble with what I &#039;know&#039; today because most likely just around the bend is a higher truthAs for this reality being an illusion. I think science has done a fine job of showing that at the most fundamental level it really is an illusion, but to your point for all intents and purposes it&#039;s as real as it gets to us...even the so called enlightened once had to finish out life and die...&nbsp; The real illusion is this incessant clinging to things as self.&nbsp; IMHO.And this is where the conversation is meaningless and where I part way&#039;s with the Neo Advaita, and lots of other new age crowds..&nbsp; It becomes a spiritual circle jerk were everyone is busy telling everyone else how they haven&#039;t realized the highest truth, etc...&nbsp;&nbsp; Each person trying to point out what&#039;s just past the others perception..&nbsp;&nbsp; I joined a few of these boards on facebook over the years..&nbsp;&nbsp; I would try to have dialog with them, but it was just laughable.&nbsp;&nbsp; I really think the entire Enlightenment NOW crowd needs to take Kilindis&#039;s advice and eat the 20grams.&nbsp; <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; I have a feeling their spiritual circle jerking would stop.I think outside of those practicing a form of psychedelic mysticism these states simply haven&#039;t been experienced by very many people.&nbsp; Extreme states of calm certainly arise during deep meditation and I don&#039;t deny even grander experiences by those who have logged 10&#039;s of thousands of hours, but I doubt it is ever like a break through dose of shrooms.&nbsp; The clear light experienced in this state is simply ecstatic.&nbsp; And BTW I&#039;m not sure how many break through doses a person really needs to have?&nbsp; Ultimately hyperspace isn&#039;t any more or any less real than what is percieved with &#039;sober&#039; mind.&nbsp; It&#039;s all mind stuff.This is very true.&nbsp; Even once enlightened there is still a long causal chain that follows you.&nbsp; BUT with the arising of internal peace the new links in the chain will be towards a more solid foundation.&nbsp; Probably not riches, but likely built from kindness, empathy, and compassion.&nbsp; And people with these qualities tend to have a much easier time in life (though obviously not always).&nbsp;&nbsp; Jesus is a bad example as he had a mission to be hung,&nbsp; Buddha however apparently lived for quite a while and even set up several monasteries during his day.&nbsp; He obviously was still bound to cause and effect, but I don&#039;t believe that he suffered like everyone else... though that is just a belief and nothing more.&nbsp; But look at say the Dalia Lama.&nbsp; He has been through immense suffering and that man is alway&#039;s smiling.&nbsp; I have great respect for the inner peace he exudes on the world even if I don&#039;t agree with everything he say&#039;s.&nbsp; He has obviously achieved a level of inner peace that is enviable.Just don&#039;t hate.&nbsp; <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />Shared on facebook this morning.&nbsp; <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />I&#039;d go with Compassion, Empathy, and Kindness.&nbsp; They all seem to build and feed off each other,</blockquote>

[QUOTE="joedirt, post: 3742462, member: 6370"] Wow Jamie, great post. This is largely what I have read as well. What I'm still unsure of is how a single man rises to level of supreme Tathāgata when the secret is a mushroom? Seems there has to be more to it than this. Much more. One theory is that the mushrooms over Buddha are just [url=https://www.google.com/search?q=parasol&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=UG0eVYiOMuOwsATK54LYBw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1742&bih=944]parasol's[/url]... But I don't know that just doesn't all the way jive with me. Perhaps these early cultures really did take the time to explore in a 'scientific' way the mental realms of psychedelia? I don't know, but I definitely don't think we have the full picture as of yet. Even if so, is it potent enough to reach hyperspace? I see you had a [url=https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=533391]thread[/url] here about it. Have you experimented with this more? Try not to hold to much disdain. The majority of people (both eastern and western) have never been exposed to the information or states of mind that we have. I agree the secret is fully retarded though... even though in a limited capacity it is based on a truth, but a truth that is so far removed... it's just laughable. But people saying Namaste and it's all one.. while admittedly most of these people have a shallow view, it's still better than the people that are trying to claw there way to the top of super corporation x as though only their life matters. Remember everyone starts their journey somewhere and we are all at different places. I remember when I first got exposed to Eastern thought via Paramahansa Yogananda. I don't agree with a lot of what I used to believe, but this is because my own spirituality has matured greatly over the years.. and quite frankly it's partially why I try to remain humble with what I 'know' today because most likely just around the bend is a higher truth As for this reality being an illusion. I think science has done a fine job of showing that at the most fundamental level it really is an illusion, but to your point for all intents and purposes it's as real as it gets to us...even the so called enlightened once had to finish out life and die... The real illusion is this incessant clinging to things as self. IMHO. And this is where the conversation is meaningless and where I part way's with the Neo Advaita, and lots of other new age crowds.. It becomes a spiritual circle jerk were everyone is busy telling everyone else how they haven't realized the highest truth, etc... Each person trying to point out what's just past the others perception.. I joined a few of these boards on facebook over the years.. I would try to have dialog with them, but it was just laughable. I really think the entire Enlightenment NOW crowd needs to take Kilindis's advice and eat the 20grams. :) I have a feeling their spiritual circle jerking would stop. I think outside of those practicing a form of psychedelic mysticism these states simply haven't been experienced by very many people. Extreme states of calm certainly arise during deep meditation and I don't deny even grander experiences by those who have logged 10's of thousands of hours, but I doubt it is ever like a break through dose of shrooms. The clear light experienced in this state is simply ecstatic. And BTW I'm not sure how many break through doses a person really needs to have? Ultimately hyperspace isn't any more or any less real than what is percieved with 'sober' mind. It's all mind stuff. This is very true. Even once enlightened there is still a long causal chain that follows you. BUT with the arising of internal peace the new links in the chain will be towards a more solid foundation. Probably not riches, but likely built from kindness, empathy, and compassion. And people with these qualities tend to have a much easier time in life (though obviously not always). Jesus is a bad example as he had a mission to be hung, Buddha however apparently lived for quite a while and even set up several monasteries during his day. He obviously was still bound to cause and effect, but I don't believe that he suffered like everyone else... though that is just a belief and nothing more. But look at say the Dalia Lama. He has been through immense suffering and that man is alway's smiling. I have great respect for the inner peace he exudes on the world even if I don't agree with everything he say's. He has obviously achieved a level of inner peace that is enviable. Just don't hate. :) Shared on facebook this morning. :) I'd go with Compassion, Empathy, and Kindness. They all seem to build and feed off each other, [/QUOTE]