be careful of large doses

[felinefatale]

So I'm writing another post for swim and this is exactly what she said to me.. "once again a couple days ago I took a high dose.. 80 mg.. straight in one hit.. I went into what was almost the same trip as the first time... but then much much deeper.. i was taken through the bowels of the universe through every layer and level of matter and existence and brought to understanding of being.. it was absolutely insane.. and it lasted far too long.. like 40 min until i returned to my living room... and when i finally came back i didnt recognize anything and i felt like i didnt belong nothing made sense...

i had traveled too far and everything started to break apart!!! I felt like the living dead I felt insane nothing was right! for hours this persisted I couldnt sleep and the intense visual patterns of hyperspace were all around me still they would not go away... the worst part too is when i came to i came to realize i had a huge burn on the back of my leg.. from the pipe!! when i lost consciousness it somehow managed to get under my leg and give me a partial thickness 2nd degree burn a little larger than the size of a quarter.. let me tell you it is not pretty.. you can see how the pipe burned into my flesh.. whats even worse was that since i was smoking dmt from the pipe that the dmt was also burned into my skin.. a whole new level of high you dont want to experience!

I could not sleep and I felt such a fear of sleep I thought that if I fell asleep I would be sucked back into the hyperspace forever... i realized that i had abused the spice and had not been paying it proper homage and respect while using it and i was gravely sorry for it.. i felt scared like i have never felt in my life before.. scared i would not be able to go on.. confused and with some odd ancient language in my head i seemed to be thinking in and kept popping words in my head words which seemed to be jibberish... i begged for forgiveness and the chance to live to think to be normal again..

i apologized to the spice and the elves and thanked them for all they had shown me and assured them i would not disrespect the spice again.. after about 5-6 hours i finally managed to drift into a light sleep for about an hour perhaps where i dreamed that i was extracting dmt.. freeze precipitating it in a huge frozen tank that had little elves swimming around in it.. but the dmt was the most beautiful pure white.. much whiter than the slightly yellow crap i smoked.. was this a message? I dont know.. but the next day that followed was once again hell... i had to work and i struggled to focus.. at first i couldnt even look people in the eye ok my pupils would start to shake.. i saw the moving shapes and patterns all over everything and in everything.. i felt no appetite.. no thirst.. no hunger.. i had to force myself to eat and drink for I knew my body needed it..

the day went on to the night and still this jibberish language stuck in my head.. i got home and called my mother.. who is a nurse to help me with how to treat my burn.. i stayed on the phone with her for hours.. my mind was so scared.. i told her everything about the dmt and the pipe burning me and all that and she opened my eyes to something very important.. yes dmt is spiritual.. but the realm we enter.. it is not all good.. there is evil in it too.. the ying and the yang there are opposing sides in everything.. and so we must take steps to protect ourselves.. when taking these journeys you must call on your angels to protect you and not leave you vulnerable.. for i felt that the dark side had come close to taking me.. and it scared me shitless my every nerve in my body felt on edge and in fear..

still tripping lost in need of sleep so bad but still afraid to sleep i would close my eyes and i would start to see hyperspace again all in vibrant colors and it was freaking me the hell out.. i considered sleeping pills but ambien and zolpidem and rozerem were out of the question for me as i am aware they are known to cause hallucinations and i was not in need for ANY more of THAT!!! so still scared i decided to take a sleep md pill which is an all natural sleep remedy and so i called for my angels to surround me and protect me and i thought of only beautiful things like dolphins playing or horses galloping freely through meadows and finally i slept.. for about two hours.. then woke up... then slept again for an hour and a half.. then woke up.. then slept again for two hours then woke up then slept for two hours again then woke up... a miserable cycle.. not the uninterrupted sleep my body needs so bad but at least it was something.. that was this morning.. today i went to work and things were slowly getting better.. at first i seemed slow and behind at work but then it got busy all the sudden i got in the zone it was like i was myself again!! i was so thrilled so happy things were starting to look up..

i cut myself by accident on my finger.. and the pain felt so good because it made me feel alive!! i felt like a release i know that sounds kinda sick but i cant help it.. i still dont feel completely back to normal.. but the jibberish language is slowly leaving my mind.. im being able to focus more and things are slowly starting to click again.. i must say after the first time i tryed dmt i felt like i didnt wanna live.. like life was so boring.. but after going so far and fearing i would never come back.. i am so unbelieveably grateful i was able to come back.. that i am still here with my sister and family who i love so much.. and i wanna make the most of every moment in my life.. i want to accomplish all the goals ive set out for, and i dont want to leave i want to live.. im praying that the aftereffects will still continue to wear off.. which i think they will as they already have been..

i know that my mind will heal too just as this burn on the back of my leg will.. which will certainly serve as a constant permanent reminder for the lesson i have learned.. i felt this experience very important to share to warn everyone.. please be careful... you know not what you are dealing with.. what you are exposing and making yourself vulnerable to... you must respect the spice... it is sacred.. not to be abused like a toy and you must be properly grateful to it.. dont make the same mistake i did and get bitch slapped the hell down by it its not something you wanna experience i can guarantee! and once you hit the spice there is NO going back.. you are forever changed.. so please.. be careful.."

 

[obliguhl]

Sorry to hear about your negative experience. You say that disrespect for the experience caused it? Could well be. Your pipe accident sounds horrible too....it's my opinion that you have to take precautions before smoking so this can't happen.

What to do now? Well, there are opposing opinions. Some say to stay away from it forever. To me, it sounds that there is a problem that needs to be solved in a positive way. Maybe a proper ayahuasca session with shamanic guidance could help you.

Don't forget that the bad attracts the bad. I'm not saying that you're a bad person, but it could be that your intentions, your disrespect caused you trouble.

moreover I want to say that psychedelic substances exist for personal growth and exploration. If you want to "think normal", these realms might not be for you.

 

[۩]

it also helps to not think too hard and be in the moment :]

 

[dread]

I've ventured to the dark side of hyperspace a couple of times. It can be quite scary. Fear of going insane, getting stuck in time loops which go on forever... reality disintegrating into million sparkling pixels before your eyes.

I believe that psychedelics give you what you need, instead of what you want... If you need a "bad trip", or shall we say a "wakeup call" then you shall have it.

 

[ibeing897]

SWIM really did witness someone (a girl, really not me) who smoked 500mg, I cant say she held it in long enough or what... but basically she rolled around the floor laughing hysterically for 30/40 mins, it was scary to watch actually, but she said it was great... SWIM didnt even realise she dosed that much, she knew what she was doing too ! crazy, 30mg is always enough for SWIM, cant really imagine going any deeper but I guess anything possible out there.

 

[soulfood]

Damn straight! I never push more than 25-30mg. When I first started out I tried some 50's and that was may more than enough for me.

I always think it's good to enjoy the lighter sides of the spice for most of my voyages and only try to go in really deep once every now and then. I always try to hold my breath as long as possible rather than up the dose. When I really go for it, I see them in a dark light with there evil stares willing me to breathe and the more I hold my breath the darker and deeper it goes, then when I finally breathe everything gets so light and amazing.

Try it... it makes your spice go much further

 

[acolon_5]

Hi, I really wanted to read your story, but block posting is very hard for me to read.

If you could break that up into paragraphs of thought I think it would be alot easier for people to read. Many of us simply skip a thread all together if it is written like this.

We had a discussion about this a while ago on the Nexus and a sticky came out of it.

Please read the thread in the link below for more details.

Posting Etiquette, Post Structure, and Swimmers - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Thank you!

 

[WSaged]

Hi, I really wanted to read your story, but block posting is very hard for me to read.

Yea really!!!
The thread topic sounded interesting but I'm not going to try to read that 8" long block of text!!
Hurts my eyes!! OUCH!!


WS

 

[acolon_5]

Hi, I really wanted to read your story, but block posting is very hard for me to read.

Yea really!!!
The thread topic sounded interesting but I'm not going to try to read that 8" long block of text!!
Hurts my eyes!! OUCH!!


WS

I went ahead and did a quick fix on it.

 

[Pandora]

felinefatale and All,

First, it seems that in this case, the style of posting is a minimal issue. This is a warning and appears to be a request for help.

SWIM and I heed this warning and feel that this seems like an important, potentially formative, definately growth type of experience. There is no true growth without pain, shock and some realization of horror in my opinion.

Some of this stuff is obvious: Start with very low doses and titrate up until you find what you like. Why take 80-100 mg when all the reports indicate that a God-level breakthrough can be achieved at 50-60? It might be that 80-100 mg is the right dose for you, but starting at this high level may not be the way to go . . .Be respectful - not just towards the spice (SWIM has actually taken to praying to the spice and the other realms for learning before her journeys - she no longer asks for a good journey . . .) but towards yourself. This is very important. If your body or mind are toxified you risk a negative experience. Try to detox from substances as much as possible and crappy food. Even more important is the setting for the journey and mental set. Did you work too hard? Have a fight with a significant other. Get pissed off at school? Have any argument on the street? Watch the news and get a realization that our current predicament sucks? Are you in a hectic, busy place full of people you do not know or fully trust? These are probably not the best times to consider a spice session . . .

felinefatale, we do not know your age and it it not our business but SWIM believes that a person must have a very, very solid foundation of self/ego before one decides to shatter/dissolve it or subject it to outright death and rebirth . . .20 years ago SWIM had what she calls an ass-backwards ego-death LSD trip and it caused her to quit taking these truly healing medicines for 20. years . . . half of her lifetime to date . . .For some, this solid self-foundation appears almost at birth. For some it is in place by young adulthood. For some (like SWIM) it takes a few decades of life. For some it never happens . . .

The next step once the self is solid is being truly okay with dissolving it if one is going to venture into the psychedelic realms. SWIM believes this is NOT about getting high (though she used to 20 years ago . . .) but instead about radically upping the ante on what she calls the "important inner work." It is a way of accelerating the process. It is full of mental fires and hells that can burn and scar. It is full of ecstacy, beauty, connection and a level of personal and gestalt level insight that makes it more than worth the price. Can someone appreciate true pleasure without a pain experience, true happiness without a despair experience . . ? Is this something you want?!? Doing imporant inner work leands one to new perceptions and new insights about oneself and one's past. Many, many folks prefer to live in the moment and not do this work, or if it is happening organically, to not think about the ramifications and allow personal change/growth.


I am very sorry and quite concerned that you were apparently hurt on multiple levels by this experience. But I do hope you will view this as a tremendous opportunity for growth/change. The physical scar will be a reminder. If you are young, it will likely completely fade within 2-10 years. Otherwise, I do not know. Will you have a psychic scar or impetus for new growth and exploration, perhaps using different tools? Only you can determine this.

SWIM respectuflly recommends that you try to compartmentalize this stuff if possible. While at work and interacting with anyone you do not fully trust in the straight/mundane world, keep it "normal" and if you must mention the burn, blame it on a kitchen incident. Literally try not to think about it. Talk "normal," act "normal," and try not to ask to many people if they "see that," because of course they don't. SWIM suspects that the door to the other world got blasted so wide open in your head that it is still a bit open and leaking past your mental filters. SWIM, based on her experience, is not sure if this is a good or bad thing. But, SWIM strongly suspects that if you abstain from the spice for 3-5 days, eat nutritious, light meals, sleep as much as possible, meditate, do the psychological work, enjoy the beauty of the normal/mundane world, etc., that the door will fully close and the filters will fully drop into place. You will be back to normal, fully back to yourself except for the memory (which will degrade quickly, so work with it while you can) and the scar . . .

Now, once you are alone or with people you trust to bear your soul to . . . these are the times to start trying to work on this material. Why did it happen? I don't just mean set/setting. What was in you that was primed to let this happen? What does it mean to you? Not just today but for the rest of your life. I suspect it means a lot today and that it could screw you up for a long time (like my 20 year stint) but SWIM hopes you are a stronger person that she was/is and that you can find the mental fortitude to do this work. You may never get any answers to "why" questions. This is okay. Keep working. You have a good chance of passing through the denial, fear, anger, acceptance path in a reasonable amount of time.

If you continue to be troubled, especially after a couple of weeks pass you may want to consider one of two options: Take a chance, say a prayer, create an ideal set/setting and try again, perhaps at more like 20-40 mg. The other option is to give up the spice at least for now and seek some sort of professional counseling, especially if you continue to be plagued by voices. Beware that this could result in your being prescribed big-pharma pills that will change/alter your personality more than any psychedelic experience . . . so only go this route if you are sure it is what you want and that you have exhausted your other individual options.

Yes, yes, yes, please do enjoy the beauty of life. You made it back twice. Once from a higher realm and once from a lower realm. Both of these experiences may help exacerbate the symptoms you are currently dealing with . . .Remember that sometimes the most healing thing one can do is simply go through a few days of healthy eating and sleeping cycles . . .

Regarding your extraction vision: I think it was a message. Wash, re-crystalize, start over. Something. Others can give you GRAT advice on getting snowy white crystals rather than yellow . . .Though not posted here, SWIM's singluar experience with Jungle Spice resulted in a non-color translation to a realm with a strong voice yelling that "There is a better place!" SWIM has had two tremendous (yield and purity) success with Noman's "DMT for the Masses" tek . . .

This forum is a good, warm place. I am a wordy person/typist. Don't pay attention to me as I have a bloated ego. Please DO pay attention to the more experienced members. Read a few posts and comments and you will come to understand who is who here. There are people here who can help. People here who know what you are going through and who care.

SWIM has come to call spice The Teacher Molecule though she completely understands why people call it The Spirit Molecule. It is all of these and so much more . . .

Let the healing begin!

Peace & Love,
Pandora

 

[acolon_5]

the worst part too is when i came to i came to realize i had a huge burn on the back of my leg.. from the pipe!! when i lost consciousness it somehow managed to get under my leg and give me a partial thickness 2nd degree burn a little larger than the size of a quarter.. let me tell you it is not pretty.. you can see how the pipe burned into my flesh.. whats even worse was that since i was smoking dmt from the pipe that the dmt was also burned into my skin.. a whole new level of high you dont want to experience!

This is why we suggest having someone to take the pipe from you. Having a resting spot for the spice as soon as you take your last toke is also advised, someplace that won't melt or catch fire would be good.

Do you think that maybe, JUST MAYBE your bad experience was because you were in hyperspace while back on Earth you leg was getting burned by a very hot pipe????

I could not sleep and I felt such a fear of sleep I thought that if I fell asleep I would be sucked back into the hyperspace forever... i realized that i had abused the spice and had not been paying it proper homage and respect while using it and i was gravely sorry for it.. i felt scared like i have never felt in my life before.. scared i would not be able to go on.. confused and with some odd ancient language in my head i seemed to be thinking in and kept popping words in my head words which seemed to be jibberish... i begged for forgiveness and the chance to live to think to be normal again..

How did you abuse the Spice? Why do you think that you were punished for that? You do realize that much of a DMT trip does come from the mind...yes there MIGHT be another dimension or reality we enter, but part of our mind comes along for the ride, usually the subconcious.

the day went on to the night and still this jibberish language stuck in my head.. i got home and called my mother.. who is a nurse to help me with how to treat my burn.. i stayed on the phone with her for hours.. my mind was so scared.. i told her everything about the dmt and the pipe burning me and all that and she opened my eyes to something very important.. yes dmt is spiritual.. but the realm we enter.. it is not all good.. there is evil in it too.. the ying and the yang there are opposing sides in everything.. and so we must take steps to protect ourselves.. when taking these journeys you must call on your angels to protect you and not leave you vulnerable.. for i felt that the dark side had come close to taking me.. and it scared me shitless my every nerve in my body felt on edge and in fear..

I'm sorry, but I'm just not buying into this. I get grounding yourself before lift off, buring some sage, asking your higher power for a safe journey, but DMT space is not evil, I don't think it's good either. It just is. You bring your own baggage into hyperspace. I've noticed that people who meditate and take a spice voyage very seriously usually have more spiritual and fun voyages than people who are just looking for a quick high. I'm not saying you fit into either of these categories, just saying is all.

so i called for my angels to surround me and protect me and i thought of only beautiful things like dolphins playing or horses galloping freely through meadows and finally i slept.. for about two hours.. then woke up...

Seriously? Also how long after smoking the DMT was all of this occuring. DMT after effects usually only last 30 minutes or so. Total time back to basline is 20-50minutes.

i know that my mind will heal too just as this burn on the back of my leg will.. which will certainly serve as a constant permanent reminder for the lesson i have learned.. i felt this experience very important to share to warn everyone.. please be careful... you know not what you are dealing with.. what you are exposing and making yourself vulnerable to... you must respect the spice... it is sacred.. not to be abused like a toy and you must be properly grateful to it.. dont make the same mistake i did and get bitch slapped the hell down by it its not something you wanna experience i can guarantee! and once you hit the spice there is NO going back.. you are forever changed.. so please.. be careful.."

I think that you might need to stop taking such high doses. They are unpleasant to many (myself included) and can quickly humble a person. But please understand, as someone that has spent a LOT of time in hyperspace, it is not evil, it cannot hurt you...what you put into the experience is usually what you get out of it.

Turing it into a ritual is something that I have seen help people to get the most out of their experience. Get all of the items you will need ready. Have them set up and ready for launch. THEN:

1) Take a bath of shower. Feeling clean and fresh is one good way to help relax. Water also will help to groud you.

2) Light some gentle incense. Nothing overpowering, but something light and pleasant.

3) find a VERY comfy spot. Sit there for a few minutes thinking of what you want to accomplish during this Spice Voyage. Calm your mind as much as possible. Don't think about what is going on that day, or what you need to get done. Don't think about relationship problems, or bring up any guilt you might feel about something you did...Empty your mind if at all possible.

4) when you are ready, pick up your smoking devise, say a prayer (if you pray) or ask whatever god you worship (if any) for protection, and smoke away.

5) after your last toke, or when things are getting too intense to hold the pipe anylonger, toss it (or gently place it) on your pre-prepared safe spot (a towel for example).

6) Lay down, take a deep breath as you enter, and SMILE (sounds weird but it works).


PANDORA- While you may feel that the writting style is a minimal issue, understand that MANY members will skip over a post like this. I think this post deserves some comments and by posting the way the OP originally had it many just wouldn't read and respond to this post. So while it may seem unimportant to you, there is a reason that I commented on it. It was for the benefit of the original poster, not for my benefit.

 

[WSaged]

ou can see how the pipe burned into my flesh.. whats even worse was that since i was smoking dmt from the pipe that the dmt was also burned into my skin.. a whole new level of high you dont want to experience!

I could not sleep and I felt such a fear of sleep I thought that if I fell asleep I would be sucked back into the hyperspace forever... i realized that i had abused the spice and had not been paying it proper homage and respect while using it and i was gravely sorry for it.. i felt scared like i have never felt in my life before.. scared i would not be able to go on.. confused and with some odd ancient language in my head i seemed to be thinking in and kept popping words in my head words which seemed to be jibberish... i begged for forgiveness and the chance to live to think to be normal again..

Ya know, to me...this sounds like you "skin popped" some DMT during your burn there!!

If you where experiencing DMT-like effects for more than an hour, I would think that as your pipe was burning a hole in your leg, some DMT was also being absorbed by you skin.
Which, just like when injecting DMT into a muscle, or just under the skin...it takes longer for effects to begin, up to 45 min!...the effects last longer, with DMT continuing to be absorbed for a while after effects begin...DMT could have been slowly released by the burnt area (scab), into the skin surrounding the burn, etc...

This is of course all speculation, but that could have a lot to do with any prolonged effects you may have experienced.

BTW, if your leg was being burned by a hot pipe & hot DMT oil, while you were in the middle of experiencing the DMT flash & a heavy, full one too!!
...OF COURSE YOU HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE!!!!
You where being physically burned, while being consciously amplified!
Oof!!


:lol: Evil? ...No, just hot as hell!!!:lol:


WS

 

[DMTripper]

..... i must say after the first time i tryed dmt i felt like i didnt wanna live.. like life was so boring.. but after going so far and fearing i would never come back.. i am so unbelieveably grateful i was able to come back.. that i am still here with my sister and family who i love so much.. and i wanna make the most of every moment in my life.. i want to accomplish all the goals ive set out for, and i dont want to leave i want to live...

That's a good lesson.

And If you felt like you didn't want to live after your first DMT trip then I'd say you should stay away from it.

Well good luck with your recovery and I hope you get back to normal soon

 

[felinefatale]

so first of all i apologize for the block writing and hurting your eyes! from now on ill be sure to break up the text anyway heres the latest from swim she told me to tell you:

"thanks everyone for your insights and comments and tips for further trips i appreciate it.. anyway would just like to reflect and comment back a little bit.. this whole experience was rather traumatizing and just not cool in some ways yet i still gained plenty from it.. afterall before the trip took its bad turn i did feel amazing and saw the most beautiful things and felt incredible feelings of love and power and affirmation..

i realize that the fact that i was burned during my trip changed its course and also instilled me with a short lived fear of further use.. i also realized that because i was burned with the pipe i was smoking out of that it caused for the drug to be burned INTO my skin which caused for it to have different and/or longer lasting effects.. whats crazy too is that my trip seemed to kind of start to come out like fade a bit but then jump back to complete visuals again.. maybe as more dmt was being absorbed through the burn i dont know.. now that im feeling pretty normal again, when i think about it all its pretty crazy.. and kinda cool

it wasnt cool however let me tell you when i felt like i was gonna lose my mind or when i had no appetite and couldnt speak/think clearly and when i couldnt sleep the first two nights and had nightmares the third.. but now everything seems to be ok again.. more than ok.. i feel really really good i am always one to face my fears and even after this bad experience i will not stay away from dmt... i still love it and i still want more..

but i will either wash or recrystallize my crystals and make a new batch, experiment till i get some really pretty white ones.. and still allow myself a little bit of time for my mind to heal.. afterall my burn is still looking sick.. every time i close my eyes now though it is so easy to see the twirling twisting tunneling colorful geometrical shapes burrowing into i dont know where and any pattern i look at just seems so much more intricate.. i had experienced a bit of this after doing a lot of other drugs like ketamine and ecstacy and lsd but after dmt it seems so much more apparent..

this was my 5th time smoking dmt and it was within 6 days of the first.. and some people made comments that maybe i was just trying to get high and thats why i used high doses but this is not the case... i am really wanting to learn and grow from the experience.. i guess i was just being a bit impatient though.. and the times before i felt that i really had learnt and grown so much.. especially the first time with the high dosage so thats why i wanted to go back to it.. i was never looking for an escape with dmt.. more for answers or simply to be shown something beautiful that i can appreciate.. which both i recieved..


also i am and before smoking dmt have been someone of sound state and mind with great self esteem and the feeling i meant when i said after i tried dmt that i didnt wanna live.. i simply meant that after being shown the power i felt in that realm and all that was possible and waiting for me i just wanted to leave the earth... not necessarily really be dead.. just not be here.. i just felt things here were so trivial.. but i dont feel like that anymore anyway.. im focused on the present now and savoring the journey as i am meant to..


as for dmt not being for me if i want to think normal well when i said i just wanted to think normal i simply meant that shortly after this experience i was having a very hard time even completing sentences words were coming out of my mouth and they were correct but they had no meaning they meant nothing to me and it was like i didnt understand them and i didnt know where they were coming from?!.... my thought processes were very broken up so when i said NORMAL i simply meant i wanted the flow of my thoughts to come back and for things to make sense and to stop having some jibberish words constantly popping in my head to fill the spaces in between my broken thoughts..


i suppose those difficulties were as a result of prolonged effects of the dmt i dont think they are common or usual hell i really dont know cuz afterall im not a dmt expert but thats what it seemed like to me.. definitely though in the future when i make my lil spice journeys i will be sticking to the lower doses and probably only do it with my sis again for a while..

and one more thing... i didnt say hyperspace or dmt IS evil, and i dont think that it is.. i simply said that there exists both sides to it just as there exists two sides to everything.. that there are dark and light forces in it and so to just be careful.. many feel like dmt opens a doorway into that other world that other realm right? so just be careful who or what your letting in when you open that door is all im saying.."

 

[ohayoco]

Heehee you remind me of a girl I know FF!

I'm glad you're feeling better. DMT made SWIM feel incredibly energised when he first discovered it, hyperactive even, but over time the experience proved to be rewardingly grounding. Use this experience as a reminder and catalyst to respect your body from now on, and shape your life the way you want it to be, for longterm happiness

 

[Nordic]

Soz for the late reply, I saw a documentary recently where the south american tribes were harvesting and useing frog poison which also contains a form of DMT.
I'm not going to describe the extraction process.
But the poison is collected on a leaf and dried overnight
The next day they use the spit of the best hunter to mix it all up again.
Then they use a piece of twig with a fork shape which gets put in the fire and burned till the two points are glowing hot.
A line of 6 to 8 dots are burned on the bicep, maybe with about an inch spaceing between each dot.
The mucus/poison is then aplied fast to each burn spot, and starts to work nearly instantly.

If I can paraphraze the words of a shaman.
One has to realise that the same body that can generate exctacy can also experience the deepest fear, the two things have no meaning without each other to compare. Also one has to learn to recognise the darkness, as the deepest shadows are always found in the precence of the brightest light.

 

[shoe]

"To fathom hell, or soar angelic - just take a pinch of psychedelic."

So, just to warn others that this is indeed a very EFFECTIVE method of ingestion - through a burn. Look at the use of sapo, for example.

p.s.. I am planning to write a webpage on dealing with difficult or traumatic psychedelic experiences very soon. I hope it will help you and others who have been through your kind of experience. SWIM himself, had an incredible (and very difficult) experience on psychedelic mushrooms and I beleive that that kind of outreach will truely help people peice themselves back together.

The mind has mechanisms for dealing with traumatic experiences: everyone has them, even non-psychedelic users. You will recover!
You should be back to normal soon, dont worry!

 

[Macre]

Damn straight! I never push more than 25-30mg. When I first started out I tried some 50's and that was may more than enough for me.

I always think it's good to enjoy the lighter sides of the spice for most of my voyages and only try to go in really deep once every now and then.

I've taken these words onboard, I think this is the way I'll go with the spice.

p.s.. I am planning to write a webpage on dealing with difficult or traumatic psychedelic experiences very soon. I hope it will help you and others who have been through your kind of experience. SWIM himself, had an incredible (and very difficult) experience on psychedelic mushrooms and I beleive that that kind of outreach will truely help people peice themselves back together.

I think that's an amazing idea. Some people who have bad experiences on psychedelics are really affected by it. I think this is a great idea, I think it will work well, and I wish you the best with it.

Peace

Macre.

 

[acolon_5]

Soz for the late reply, I saw a documentary recently where the south american tribes were harvesting and useing frog poison which also contains a form of DMT.
I'm not going to describe the extraction process.
But the poison is collected on a leaf and dried overnight
The next day they use the spit of the best hunter to mix it all up again.
Then they use a piece of twig with a fork shape which gets put in the fire and burned till the two points are glowing hot.
A line of 6 to 8 dots are burned on the bicep, maybe with about an inch spaceing between each dot.
The mucus/poison is then aplied fast to each burn spot, and starts to work nearly instantly.

If I can paraphraze the words of a shaman.
One has to realise that the same body that can generate exctacy can also experience the deepest fear, the two things have no meaning without each other to compare. Also one has to learn to recognise the darkness, as the deepest shadows are always found in the precence of the brightest light.

Not to be nitpicky, but they are using 5-meo-dmt collected from toads I belive...unless they are using poison dart frogs for this (and they might be) in which case it is NOT dmt or any analog of DMT. Do you have any other info (or link) on this ritual.

I believe I have read about this before, sounds a bit extreme to me....but then again, they've developed their rituals over hundreds of years...so who am I to judge.

 

[jamie]

yes I have seen Bruse Perry do this and he purged alot and got real sick, then it makes you feel stimulated and whatnot to go hunting..I am almost positive it is NOT DMT..