Best way for SWIM to take DMT given conditions.

[LenzsLaw]

SWIM had a bad experience with DMT for the first time. They were hell nervous and were alone (They could hear their heart beat in their chest). SWIN layered their pipe (short metal pipe with wooden bowl) with aluminium foil then 2/3 of a point (1 and 1/6 of a hit) of DMT then aluminium foil on top. When they smoked it in, it seemed to have vaporised properly but they weren't too sure. A lot of white "smoke" was inhaled then exhaled. They tried to keep in for as long as possible but the "smoke" burnt their lungs. Also has SWIM exhaled they almost fainted as they were very tired. (Standing up nearly made them faint several times that day) The onset of the horrible trip seemed intense because of the near faint. "Scary" electronic music started playing as SWIM was trying to calm down, and the nasty taste in their mouth made the experience worse. SWIM saw a couple of blurry 3D visuals closed eye, and a 2D light pattern surrounded the walls of their room (The light was on). Then they felt completely normal (Except the shock of what just happened).

SWIM wants to try DMT again and get the strongest effect. They are going to try it with their partner (who is also a first timer). SWIM feels more comfortable with their partner and is bound to feel less nervous.

Factors in choosing the best method of taking DMT:
SWIM takes an SSRI antidepressant regularly;
doesn't can't obtain a strong MAOI (SWIM knows MAOI's shouldn't be mixed with SSRI's);
feels the taste of the DMT can cause a bad trip;
can't take large amounts of hot "smoke" in without feeling -replaced- bad;


SWIM has come up with a list of options on how to take the DMT next time:
1. SWIM uses a bong with ice-cold water and layers the bottom of the cone with weed then DMT on top of that. (Lighting the DMT carefully so it doesn't burn);
2. SWIM does option 1 but also stops taking their antidepressant for a week first;
3. SWIM mixes the DMT with citric acid (using an indicator to check for neutral pH level) then administers it rectally;
4. I read your opinions then tell SWIM what the better options are.

Please tell me if you like one of my options the best or if you have an even better idea so that I can get back to SWIM.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Go for number two option but with a different herb for a first proper trip you shouldnt mix weed with it, however weigh up 20mg to get a good idea of 'where' you'll be going then up the dose to 30 and so on. Do not use foil, ever, that was probably what burned your throat dmt isnt that harsh ime, just a bit dense I enjoy the taste.
As for the SSRI interactions I couldnt say however I think there could be a danger.of serotonin syndrome if they you havent stopped taking them beforehand. I say again I am no expert on this its just a theory..
Would you feel down again if you stopped taking them for a week beforehand? If so that could also alter the 'set' but maybe no pain no gain?
You seem to have your 'setting' sussed but avoid electro music or anything fast until you are comfortable with DMT it sends synestheasia into overdrive. Maybe boards of canada or something relaxing without lyrics.
Healthy trepidation/ preflight anxiety is good so just dont fight the launch breath steady open your mind and prepare to be shown unimaginable beauty and complexity. NEVER take it when you are exhausted overly anxious or stressed it is an immensely powerful molecule.
Happy travels!

 

[Squirrel]

SWIM must not be nervous and enjoy everything around them. Be happy that they are about to smoke the DMT, and do it correctly. When starting to trip they should'nt try to calm down the trip or stop it becuase it is already taken place, doing this will make everyting worse. Just enjoy the experience and have fun doing it!

 

[ymer]

I'm not a doctor but for what I've read SSRI's are not good for people trying DMT.

As for the ROA, I would just use a dry bong with a lot of screens, put your crystals directly on top and carefuly place the lighter above the cristals (not touching them) and inhale.

 

[Entheogenerator]

If you do decide to use a bong, I would not recommend having water in it. Especially "ice-cold" water. When the vapors hit the water, they will cool down rapidly. This can cause a decent percentage of the vapor to crystallize or solidify and it will be lost in the water. The colder the water is, the higher the percentage of vapor you will lose.

I have read that SSRI's can interact with DMT. But the only interaction I have heard of between the two is the SSRI minimizing or dulling the effects of DMT. However, there could very well be other interaction that I am unaware of.

As far as the smoke being too harsh, you may have burned some of your spice. The use of aluminum foil could have also caused the smoke to feel hotter.

Have you ever gone off the medication for a week before? If so did you notice any changes in your mood? If taking a week off from the meds is likely to cause any depression, sadness, anger, or anxiety I would say it's probably best not to stop taking them before your next attempt.

When it comes to efficient vaporization without breaking the bank, I always recommend making The Machine.

 

[null24]

Hey man, sorry to hear your first experience was less than ideal.
There are several things here, but the first and foremost is-be careful with your meds. At the very least, research the pharm you are on and it's withdrawal potential. Some carry quite a severe risk if you don't titrate down your dose. I don't take SSRIs myself, I cannot tolerate them and use more ehem, natural methods of serotonin regulation, but my partner does, and I've seen her go thru hell when stopping suddenly for some reason.

And yeah, they can kill tryptamines and make rolling impossible. It sucks for my sweetie, and me, I love tripping with her. We haven't found a reliable dose for her, so we quit trying until she has titrated and feels stable. I'd recommend the same precaution to you. The withdrawal effects from SSRIs include returning, worsened depression that can include suicidal ideation. Don't play with your mental health any more than you would say, your heart.

So be careful there. And if I made it sound like I know alot about the subject, I don't, but there is a plethora of info here and elsewhere on the internet, do yourself a favor and research, for your health.

Asfor the experience,I kinda chuckled at the creepy electronic music-oh yeah, I know what you mean. When i hear that alien tune begin to play, I knew the hyper space veil has been breached and"they"are here. And yeah, it can be very unsettling. (especially for a dude that actually abhors the genre and prefers tube amplifiers and electric guitars-sorry-.) On one of my first powerful experiences with smoked DMT I became terrified in a similar fashion at the instant transmission of something into my space, heralded by that freaking music-:shock: I think it was my first encounter with the so-called elves, and I fought off the DMT as much I could, until I could get up and run down the hall into the shower, where Ihid till the effects wore off. I regret that trip, because of the lost potential, but I learned from it.

There's always going to be anticipation, mixed with fear at the outset of aDMT trip. There should be- this is powerful stuff. I find that a good period of meditation before lift off, relaxing my mind, letting the concern of the day go, and fixing my consciousness on an intent helps me greatly. Focus on what you want. You'll more than likely forget all about it, but look at it like your about to see the genie, and have a wish. What would your consciousness most like to explore today? After a while, you'll find the fear dissipates.

As for burning smoke in the lungs, yes more than likely smoking technique. Many people here prefer a certain type if pipe, you'll see it mentioned, but being poor and gifted with the ability to smoke anything out of anything, I use a sandwich method of mullien,DMT,mullien in a glass bong, dry. Mullien is an herb that is inert psychoactively but is very easy to smoke, it is used in teas to soothe asthma. Weed really screws with the DMTtrip, making it muddled and pretty much useless, that seems to be the majority opinion, not just mine, do check out the mullien. It's easily and cheaply obtainable in a store that sells herbs and remedies. Check the smoking subforum for tips on how to smoke. It shouldn't burn, it shouldn't taste bad, it should be flowery, frankly, and sweet.

Anyway, happy trails to you brother, and seriously, don't go jumping off your meds to trip. A DMT experience can be life changing, can be life shattering. If you are in a kickback depression from stopping your meds when the fabric of reality is torn from the face of the universe, it could have tragic consequences, and I'm not trying to be funny. Peace to you.