BLAB with vinegar and a food dehydrator to freebase and well... dry

[mew]

so this is the basic tek SWIM is runnin

454 g of mhrb powder into a gallon carboy *jug*
add 4.2 cups (1 liter) of 5% vinegar
shake it frequently for 3 days (im on a week now)

now is the time to basify! so well add some lye (anyone know how much to add or till the mhrb is just dark red almost black or a ph of 12-13?)

once lyed up add 100 ml of d-limo and shake it over a day
do this over the course of a few days collecting each dlimo pull (5-6 pulls over 3-4 days, until its no longer yellow)

add SWIMs dmt saturated d-limo to the sep funnel with 30 ml of vinegar, shaaaaaaaaaaaaake it up
do this around 5 times (or until its clear no more product is coming out)

with the dmt vinegar SWIM will put it in an evap dish and into a dehydrator
this step is to remove the liquid from the product and the gently cook the dmt acetate, freeing the base (supposedly as suggested by a few nexions)


if my dehydrator dosent remove all vinegar smell ill put it in the oven or toaster oven on 150 until it no longer smells of vinegar and starts smelling like some spirit molecules



KK TIPS TRICKS AND ADVICE PLEASE

 

[q21q21]

not sure why it's in FASA sub-forum... haha

1.If 50/50 vinegar and boiling water is used and shaken several times over 20-30 minutes (60 to be extra careful), it will work just as well as leaving it for a day or more.

2:If it is black then it is usually basic enough. It could effect things, but mostly people add lots of lye and make the PH 14 because it seems excess lye doesn't effect yield. SWIM hasn't used lye in a while so apologies if this is inaccurate.

As for method, please make a solution with lye beforehand instead of adding the lye to the jug, then it can be added more carefully and stirred in until black, then save the excess lye-water. There is no real need to use the heat of the reaction.

3.SWIM tends to use lots of d-limo maybe make it 200ml-300ml, had a figure for the solubility a bit ago but can't find it. Just know a gallon of xylene/d-limonene will do a LOT of extractions and it can be re-used many times.

Also it would seem only needs to be shaken a couple times over 20 minutes to become saturated with DMT
at least the tests with xylene showed no difference between 20 minutes and 2 days!

4. 3 pulls of vinegar should be lots if it is shaken several times over 3 minutes or more.

5: The full-alkaloid freebase is REALLY difficult to work with and more importantly keep clean. dissolving the goo from the dehydrator (whether it smells like vinegar or not doesn't matter) in a MINIMAL amount of vinegar and storing in an air-tight container you can dose via number of drops using a medicine dropper.

It's all explained in SWIM's tek in my signature.

Good luck.

 

[mew]

thanks for the info on the washes/pulls

ok so if i have dmt saturated limo
i put in some vinegar, it goes into the vinegar
this is dmt acetate, cuz its acetic acid ya?

well i evap the excess acetic acid to get a powder product (solid, rather.. or as solid as it gets at room temp)

then by adding heat this freebases the acetate, correct?

but what you suggest is to mix the freebase dmt with just enough vinegar to dissolve it all, correct?

will this reconvert the freebase into acetate and if it does why did i bother with the freebase in the first place?

the purpose of this spice is to dually do pharma (which the vinegar sounds perfect for, as i have plenty of vinegar harmalas) and to blast off with

if i have only acetate thats great for pharma yea? but what about smoking, you cannot smoke acetate for full effects right?


what kind of product could i expect from all this, red tar? white powder? etc

thanks

 

[arimane]

I think you should just add sodhium carbonate, and it will pop out in freebase, and add acetone or IPA to pull, to get a salt. So you can skip the tinture process (that's if you wanna enhance it, and don't really care about enhancing a goo)

if i have only acetate thats great for pharma yea? but what about smoking, you cannot smoke acetate for full effects right?

Don't know if is great for pharma, surely should work. But for smoking no, you should convert in freebase (in THIS topic, at the end, I ask similar things, you may want to give a look).


So, since SWIM is about to try this tek, how much vinegar do you use, per limonene? I don't think would be a problem adding too much, right?
Also, does the layers separate clearly-clearly? (so that one can take one with a turkey buster, without a separatory)?

 

[Ice House]

Have you considered skipping the vinegar and going with fumeric acid to salt precip and then convert with sodium carbonate?

I have done both methods, IMHO the Fumeric acid option is the better of the two. Yes, there is loss when coverting to freebase with sodium carbonate. The end product is easy to work with, full spectrum potent. No goo. You can then dissolve your freebase in IPA and make changa or infused herb.

 

[Eden]

What exactly is the loss with the sodium carb conversion? I always feel I get a very decent result...almost never varying from around 70%. Freebase has a very nice tendancy to stick to itself and I find it very easy to collect and separate. Is the material loss in the actual conversion or from suspended freebase that is not gathered?

 

[arimane]

Have you considered skipping the vinegar and going with fumeric acid to salt precip and then convert with sodium carbonate?

I have done both methods, IMHO the Fumeric acid option is the better of the two. Yes, there is loss when coverting to freebase with sodium carbonate. The end product is easy to work with, full spectrum potent. No goo. You can then dissolve your freebase in IPA and make changa or infused herb.

I've considere it, but the loss seemed a nice reason not to do it.
Also, to freebase, you say to just add sodium carbonate to the fumarate (with some water) and then wash with IPA?
In consideration of enhance leaves, why should it be prefered to vinegar?

 

[Ice House]

Have you considered skipping the vinegar and going with fumeric acid to salt precip and then convert with sodium carbonate?

I have done both methods, IMHO the Fumeric acid option is the better of the two. Yes, there is loss when coverting to freebase with sodium carbonate. The end product is easy to work with, full spectrum potent. No goo. You can then dissolve your freebase in IPA and make changa or infused herb.

I've considere it, but the loss seemed a nice reason not to do it.
Also, to freebase, you say to just add sodium carbonate to the fumarate (with some water) and then wash with IPA?
In consideration of enhance leaves, why should it be prefered to vinegar?

The fumarate can now be quickly converted with less loss using the :10 minute Tek- Fumarate to Freebase Conversion. The Tek can be found here