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Black Ayahuasca Vine and Other Types of Vine

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DMiTria

DMiTria

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Hello, Nexians

I am curious about the different types of Ayahuasca Vine. I know there is many but the 4 I keep coming across is White, Black, Yellow and Red. I was wondering what the differences are or uses of the different types. I've read the FAQ forum about it and did a search but there really isn't a thread that talks about it specifically.

So far I've gathered that Yellow is more of a gentle Journey and on the good side of things and suggested for beginners where the Black is for the more experienced. Black I've heard is a rarer, potent vine that, traditionally, provokes a strong purge and can help Curanderos and Ayahuasqueros look into the future. Also it can be used to diagnose the state of a patient’s health and to heal any spells that may be placed upon them. It has also been known to give the drinker visions of his or her own death. I can confirm that this brew can make you experience your own death or ego death.

I've read on the Nexus that the Black Vine is for Witchcraft but to me that is irrelevant because Pharmakeia, (Latin) word meaning sorcery, witchcraft, and magic, is inside everything in western cultures Pharmaceutical field. So in all reality we all take part in witchcraft, magic, etc. I get my Ayahuasca sent to me from my Curandero in Peru pre-made and he only uses Black Vine. We get lost in translation a lot so it's hard to get clear answers on why he only uses it. He told me that it is the purest of them all but I'm curious what you guys have to say about the different types of vine and the benefits.

I haven't tried any other brew besides the Black Caapi and Chacruna Mix. He sent me a stronger brew and told me that this one is for real work. He wasn't lying because that's where I experienced, what I perceived to be, death. I don't plan on brewing my own any time soon just for the fact that I don't know what these vendors are selling and at what strength. Also these brews done at home, by most users, don't have the blessings of the Icaros on them but maybe if and when the international shipping policies changes and it is not allowed then maybe but until then I'll will be stocking up.
 
I have seen a "black vine" currently being offered by a vendor that shows no blacklight fluorescent glow at all. That to me pretty much excludes the presence of harmala alkaloids.
 
I had some black caapi quite a few years back that was so powerful it was beyond belief. I also got some more recently that was very questionable.
 
When i asked about the color system, this is what I was told:

Yellow (gold) caapi- great for neophytes, is very mellow, used for healing brews.

White caapi- is said to be used specifically for healing, specially in the case of disease and physical issues. Is very mellow and can be used interchangeably with yellow caapi

Red caapi (banisteriopsis colorada)- this vine brings on effects most similar to smoked DMT, experiences of being transformed into animals are common, this vine always produces bizzare and astonishing experiences.

Black caapi- is said to be only for experienced shammans, it causes shakes and physical discomfort, and is used to contact the dead.

In my experience, which is limited to yellow banisteriopsis caapi, and red banisteriopsis colorada (which is called "mckenna vine" ) and peganum harmala seeds, it's really hard to differentiate between the brews, I could say the red vine is more bizzare, but there is now way to say that this was due to the variation of caapi vine.

The color system may actually be referring to variations of B. Caapi species, but as for the subjective effects, they are all very similar. (Except for the case of black caapi which is said to cause nausea, shakes, and other physical discomfort)

-EG
 
Red Cappi is Banisteriopsis muricata. Banisteriopsis colorada is not even a species recognized by botanists. I spoke with Alan Shoemaker about this recently, and he agreed the muricata is red vine...and he also confirmed that black vine is NOT Alicia anisopetala..actually he had some vine that looked just like the alicia we have all gotten here, with the same cross section, ligher more porous vine etc..and he said he drank it and no effects, and when he brought it to a currandero he was told that it's not a type of ayahuasca, It is just some random jungle vine.

So, I am inclined to believe that Banisteriopsis muricata is the real red ayahuasca, and Alicia anisopetala is just a jungle vine some guy conned people into buying and now it's gone viral.
 
This is a picture of the red vine I was speaking of, as for its true botanical identity, I can't say, it's obviously banisteriopsis caapi, but the label on the packaging says "banisteriopsis colorada- mckenna vine"

-EG
 

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Here's what I'm told about the colors:

Numerous types of ayahuasca vine are recognized by shamans and curanderos in the Peruvian Amazon. Most of these shamanic "species" are botanically indistinguishable from Banisteriopsis caapi but may have many local names according the lineage and purpose of the shamanic practitioner.

Ayahuasca cielo or ayahuasca amarilla
~ heaven (sky) ayahuasca or yellow ayahuasca ~

This is the type of ayahuasca most commonly used in contemporary mestizo curanderismo in Amazonian Perú where it is widely cultivated. It is a relatively gentle but powerful healing plant capable of vivid and highly transformative visions. Cielo Ayahuasca is considered to be the best type of ayahuasca for initiation

ayahuasca trueno or ayahuasca negra
~ thunder ayahuasca or black ayahuasca ~


This type of ayahuasca provokes especially strong purge and physical shaking which can be overwhelming. Ayahuasca trueno is for those more experienced with the medicine.


ayahuasca india or ayahuasca negra
~ Indian ayahuasca or black ayahuasca ~


This type of ayahuasca is harvested exclusively from the 'monte'(old-growth unflooded white sand rainforest. It is not cultivated. It is a powerful variety widely used by pre-columbian indigenous people.
ayahuasca blanca – white ayahuasca


This type of ayahuasca is used primarily in magic, both white (benevolent) and red ( = black or harmful)
ayahuasca colorada – red ayahuasca


This is a very strong shamanic medicine taken almost exclusively by shamans themselves to facilitate healing of others.
The use of colors to describe these types of ayahuasca is based on the character of the visionary experiences as well as the color of the plant.

All the clips above come from http://biopark.org/peru/huascaspecies.html

But everything said on this site is on par with what I've been told.

Below is a list of banisteriopsis species:
1. Banisteriopsis caapi

2. B. ceduciflora
3. B. cornifolia
4. B. cristata
5. B. heterostyla
6. B. inebrians
7. B. laevifolia
8. B. leiocarpa
9. B. leptocarpa
10. B. longialata
11. B.. lucida
12. B. martiniana
13. B. muricata
14. B. nigrescens
15. B. nutans
16. B. oxyclada
17. B. padifolia
18. B. peruviana
19. B. pubipetata
20. B. quitensis
21. B. rusbyana*

I apologize if any of the information I have posted is not considered accurate, again this is all just what I've been told, the link contained is of a site I just found a few minutes ago, but as far as what it says about the colors of caapi it matches exactly what I had been told in the past.

I'm sure the shamanic and scientific community's clash in some areas, and this may be one of them, but I still find this color system most fascinating, and enjoy hearing what has to be said in regards to it.

-EG
 
Thanks everyone for the information it is very beneficial knowing what others think about the qualities of the different species of vine. I think I'll try some other types of vine.

entheogenic-gnosis: how much Ayahuasca does 112g make of a brew. Also is the strength good and consistent?
 
to jamie ( and all interesred)
t cant possibly be overlooked that there are many local names for varieties of ayahuasca.

so you cant say red is muricata and black is anisopetalla. even if shoemaker says "yup red is muricata for sure" he is still talking about WHAT HE KNOWS AS RED. while a few miles down the road there are probably 4 or5 other varieties of "red" vine that are not the same as shoemakers red vine.

i know ive bought red vine that was definetly cappi, not muricata. you might say " well then its not true red" to which i would say there is no true red or true black.

ive had black vine as well that looked just like cappi except black. ive also had muricata and anisoptetalla.

the point is whats known as red aya in one locality might equally be black in another area.

i just strongly disagree with the ascertation that red is definetly muricata. what about mckennas hawaiin red strain? definetly red and definetly cappi.

we really should use scientific names if we are to speak with any accuracy. the color names still have value but not for purposes of idendification.
 
and i have to adress that anisopetalla is just a random vine. it is active for sure. for me i get strong effects at 20 grams. i have combined with the light as well. it seemed not to activate the light in a traditional manner or maybe not at all. but the brew was psychoactive and felt like a warm buzz and i saw visions like shipibo textiles.

with ayahuasca, never take anyones word for it. discover what works for you yourself
 
entheogenic-gnosis,

That vine you pictured is the exact vine I have as well; Mckenna red vine - colorada.

I've only taken a few doses of it - one 15g and the other 35g. When i brewed the 35g i brewed 3x3, combined, reduced, drank. The bitterish earhthy tone that taste identical to supposed white and yellow vine i had before.

Not sure if it was my current sensitivity or the vine itself, but at 35g - I sat outside for the first hour or so, very dreamy waves came over me, quieting of mind, in complete stillness. Remember getting up, walking to my house, then coming to realize that I could barely walk. The tracers that typically make themselves apparent when the harmalas first start working for me; they came on as soon as I stepped foot into my house. The house was mostly dark minus a few small lamps that were left on. The pictures on my wall, the plants, all mildly skipping frame, traling out and out; ebb n' flow.

Compared to past vine brews this colorada/mckenna red was definitely potent. I know if I would have added a little mimosa or acacia, the boat would've tipped for sure.
 
that mckenna stuff is probably just b. cappi not colorata. many over the years have sampled this mckenna red. its good material
 
Reading through this info it seems the best way to get a correct id on species would be to know what region it came from, what defines color system in that region or even particular tribe, & then look to see if it matches up by physical traits.

This is in no way a guaranteed identification. But knowing where it came from & what they call different types of vine in different areas would seemingly make things alot easier.

Maybe we should have a sticky thread compiling the information on different types of caapi & what they are called in different areas & within different tribes to make the information more readily available for those without direct contact with the people in the area their vine was grown in.
 
most of it comes from vendors so identifying the vendor or where it was sourced and its name is a good start. also comparing to known samples or even authenticated pictures. if you look at the cross section its easy to tell muricata from cappi from anisopetala.

if your looking to buy aya, good old cielo or yellow cappi is the best start and plenty to get acquainted with on its own. but it is alot of fun sampling different strains and somee of the black aya out there is very potent. i had a batch from maya that was crazy intense and physical at only 25 grams of vine only.
 
Hey!

Would you mind saying what is it that you cannot find in the FAQ vine-color explanation and the links below it? I thought it was pretty clear and summed up all we know about these vines.

Forget what dealers or indigenous people call it, there is way too much confusion this way since different people and groups use different names that may be contradicting to each other.

Best way to identify is to ask to see a cross section of the vine, that will give you a way better idea. If it looks like the alicia anisopetala (sometimes sold as black ayahuasca) in the FAQ link, I'd advice not drinking that, it does not contain harmalas. It should look more like what you find if you google image: "caapi cross section".

You can always try shining UV light on a diluted brew and see if it shines. If it doesnt, something is wrong.

And as with every plant or drug in general, start with really low doses because you never know how strong that particular batch is. I'd advise never to start with more than 20g for first time consuming from a particular caapi batch.
 
BecometheOther said:
to jamie ( and all interesred)
t cant possibly be overlooked that there are many local names for varieties of ayahuasca.

so you cant say red is muricata and black is anisopetalla. even if shoemaker says "yup red is muricata for sure" he is still talking about WHAT HE KNOWS AS RED. while a few miles down the road there are probably 4 or5 other varieties of "red" vine that are not the same as shoemakers red vine.

i know ive bought red vine that was definetly cappi, not muricata. you might say " well then its not true red" to which i would say there is no true red or true black.

ive had black vine as well that looked just like cappi except black. ive also had muricata and anisoptetalla.

the point is whats known as red aya in one locality might equally be black in another area.

i just strongly disagree with the ascertation that red is definetly muricata. what about mckennas hawaiin red strain? definetly red and definetly cappi.

we really should use scientific names if we are to speak with any accuracy. the color names still have value but not for purposes of idendification.
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This is based on nothing, other than vendor labels though...which I no longer consider credible. People down in the Amazon, with years experience with different curranderos speaks volumes over what some vendor labeled some vine that was caapi.
 
"if you look at the cross section its easy to tell muricata from cappi from anisopetala"

Muricata and caapi have identical cross sections. You cannot tell caapi from muricata based on the cross section pattern. Muricata has a slightly redder tint, that's the only way for someone who is not a trained botanist looking at live plants to tell, until you brew it and see that it produces a deep red brew.
 
also...Banisteriopsis caapi and Banisteriopsis inebrians are the same species...not two distinct species of Banisteriopsis. I would not use that list from bio park as a credible source necessarily.
 
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