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Caapi extract only as first step to pharma...

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used gibran's tek Easy Caapi Vine Alkaloid Extraction Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki to extract caapi alks. wanting to try pharma but didn't do enough research, obviously.

VERY familiar with lsd but new to the spice world. couple fb spice journeys behind me. no aya, pharma or changa experience yet. was just reading where people suggest trying changa first or just trying caapi only. ok. well...what dose should i take of the extract? i'm 26, 6ft, 165lbs. i see sooo many different suggestions on different threads, it's kinda hard to put together. any advice?

i've also got a caapi extract tincture from maya that they describe like this:

"Total plant alkaloid (TPA) extract tincture (1:40) made from Banisteriopsis
caapi (*White* Ayahuasca vines) from Peru.
Produced in the Netherlands in our own laboratory by acid/base extraction
and purified using natural solvents.
This TPA extract contains all of the caapi's alkaloids (and some amounts of
other phytochemicals). In contrast to most other extracts available on the
market which only contain Harmine, Harmaline and Tetrahydroharmine our
extract also contains; acetyl norharmine, harmalinic acid, harmic acid,
harmine N-oxide, harmol, methylester harmic amide,
ketotetra-hydronorharmine, shihunine and S-(+) dihydroshuhunine.
(constituents may vary per batch).
The transparent Freebase-crystals, (purity 99%) are dissolved in
demineralized water acidified with acetic acid.
The solution contains 25 mg Ayahuasca TPA crystals per 1 ml (1:40). Packed
in amber coloured glass bottles. A 5 ml bottle contains 125 mg Ayahuasca TPA
crystals. 125mg TPA equals approximately 50 gram *White* Ayahuasca vines.


so...now you know my experience level, size and what kinda goodies i've got. someone please point me in right direction. i last ate about an hour ago so i've still got a couple hours before my stomache will be empty. wanting to try tonight.

thanks...
 
200mg harmine/thh (aka caapi alkaloids) is a standard dose for full mao inhibition. Larger doses will begin to cause vertigo, possibly nausea. But larger doses will also start to become psychedelic. 300mg would be a good dose if you want a bit of a psychoactive journey, and are willing to possibly deal with some nausea, but probably not so much nausea that you'll throw up.
 
No point making a new thread, as this mirrors my problem too. I have experience with vaped spice, but want to try pharma. Supposing I have extract after following gibrans tek, where should i go from there? I have done quitesome digging and found a lot of contradictions and things like trip reports etc.

How much, and in what way, shall I administer the extract? And how much dmt should i administer orally? do they need to be in acidic liquid like say... lemon? should it be dmt freebase or fumerate?

Any help is massively appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
 
the harmalas can be eaten as freebase. I suspend in a shotglass of water, stir and gulp down. if there's residue left in the glass I add more water and drink again. They taste like nothing, so they go down easily.

dmt can be ingested as fumarates or you can dissolve in some other acidic solution like lemon or orange juice, vinegar ... etc. Fumarates are the fastest absorbing I think. They will hit you within 15-30 minutes of ingesting.
I have tried taking them 30 min after ingesting caapi extract and 5-10 min after the caapi and the latter method worked better for me. Both times I had heavy nausea and had to purge, but felt good after the purge so the overall experience was fine.

concerning the dmt amount I would suggest something between 30 and 80 mg, possibly starting at the lower end of that range for starters, and work your way up to an amount you feel safe with. Depending on your metabolism and the dose the overall experience can last from 1-4 hours, but there is no real hangover effect after that, as far as I've noticed.

hope this helped

much love
Enoon
 
I recommend getting both DMT and harmaloids into a salt form, desolving it all in a small glass of water and then knocking it back. DMT freebase is a pain to desolve, even in acidic water solutions. As your stomach is going to convert to salts anyway I recommend you save it a job so the mix hits faster.
 
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