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Cacti identification
- Thread starter The Traveler
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Damn they bloody look like peyotes!
Buy them and eat them before they go bad!!!!
Buy them and eat them before they go bad!!!!
'Coatl
Teotzlcoatl
Those are most certainly Lophophora but I cannot tell you what species they are...
It appears many of them are williamsii.
You should certainly buy them, but don't eat them, grow them, they won't go bad!
Post on the Corroboree forums or at the Nook.org (Tell them Teo sent ya
) for a 100% ID on all those Lophophora cacti.
My vote is that most of them are williamsii.
It appears many of them are williamsii.
You should certainly buy them, but don't eat them, grow them, they won't go bad!
Post on the Corroboree forums or at the Nook.org (Tell them Teo sent ya
) for a 100% ID on all those Lophophora cacti.My vote is that most of them are williamsii.
Thanks for the advice.
I bought two of them. They are all the same species as I see it. They are still small though, about 4 cm in diameter. They cost 11,99 EURO a piece.
I'll grow them large, it will take about 15 years or so I guess.
Also any good links about how to grow them old and wise?
I bought two of them. They are all the same species as I see it. They are still small though, about 4 cm in diameter. They cost 11,99 EURO a piece.
I'll grow them large, it will take about 15 years or so I guess.
Also any good links about how to grow them old and wise?
'Coatl
Teotzlcoatl
First off, thats an excellent price, buy as many as you can.
4cm is a fairly good size, I bet they are mature and flowering (which means tons of seeds!)
I do not believe those are all the same exact lophophora strain... they are at least different types of williamsii if not differnt speices.
Better pics would help.
Lophophora cacti are really easy to grow, much easier than say Aztekium, Ariocarpus, Turbinicarpus or Strombocactus...
Check out some info on growing Lophophora in my cactus thread- Teotz''s Cactus thread
I'd say if you plan on eating a few, first get a 100% ID on all of them, then grow them strong and fast for a few years, then stress then for a year or two before harvest, the harvested stump will grow new "pups" if you leave a few areoles. I'd say it will only take 2-5 years before ingestion could begin.
In most countries Lophophora is 100% pefectly legal, only the U.S.A. and Mexico (the only 2 areas in the world where it grows naturally) have laws agaist it.
4cm is a fairly good size, I bet they are mature and flowering (which means tons of seeds!)
I do not believe those are all the same exact lophophora strain... they are at least different types of williamsii if not differnt speices.
Better pics would help.
Lophophora cacti are really easy to grow, much easier than say Aztekium, Ariocarpus, Turbinicarpus or Strombocactus...
Check out some info on growing Lophophora in my cactus thread- Teotz''s Cactus thread
I'd say if you plan on eating a few, first get a 100% ID on all of them, then grow them strong and fast for a few years, then stress then for a year or two before harvest, the harvested stump will grow new "pups" if you leave a few areoles. I'd say it will only take 2-5 years before ingestion could begin.
In most countries Lophophora is 100% pefectly legal, only the U.S.A. and Mexico (the only 2 areas in the world where it grows naturally) have laws agaist it.
In Dreamland peyote is also illegal, but san pedro not (though mescaline is also)
and yes they really seem to be peyote there
and yes they really seem to be peyote there
Thanks again for the advice.
Tomorrow I'll go buy extra cacti and I will take better pictures of it.
In the meanwhile, I saw that both of my cacti looked like they already flowered. I also saw that one of them had what looked like seeds on the top place where once the flower was. With a pincet I picket one of the seeds and when comparing it to online pictures it does indeed look like a peyote seed to me. The good thing is that there are more seeds still sitting on the top of de cactus.
Tomorrow I'll go buy extra cacti and I will take better pictures of it.
In the meanwhile, I saw that both of my cacti looked like they already flowered. I also saw that one of them had what looked like seeds on the top place where once the flower was. With a pincet I picket one of the seeds and when comparing it to online pictures it does indeed look like a peyote seed to me. The good thing is that there are more seeds still sitting on the top of de cactus.
'Coatl
Teotzlcoatl
Awesome! You can use seeds to grow and graft (quickly getting tons of peyote) or you can sell each seed for like $1 a piece!
Last year I had 3 mature Lophophora cacti and they produced over 250 seeds in a single growing season!
The best way to tell Peyote (Lophophora williamsii) from the other Lophophora cacti like Diffusa is to wait for it to flower... if it has a pink flower and is self-fertile (can set seeds without another partner) then it's williamsii (Peyote), if it has anything but a pale pink flower, then it's probably another species.
I wanna see more threads like this one!
Last year I had 3 mature Lophophora cacti and they produced over 250 seeds in a single growing season!
The best way to tell Peyote (Lophophora williamsii) from the other Lophophora cacti like Diffusa is to wait for it to flower... if it has a pink flower and is self-fertile (can set seeds without another partner) then it's williamsii (Peyote), if it has anything but a pale pink flower, then it's probably another species.
I wanna see more threads like this one!
As far as i know, the other lophophora species are also hallucinogenic. When they're small they're harder to tell apart then when they've grown.
Even if it's not williamsi, they're still usefull, i think.
Even if it's not williamsi, they're still usefull, i think.
'Coatl
Teotzlcoatl
These have me stumped... I think they are williamsii, but normally williamsii has almost perfectly staight ribs.
I'm going to say these are Lophophora williamsii var. decipiens or Lophophora decipiens, I just can't say for sure without a flower.
Other Lophophora in the genus are psychoactive but will only contain high levels of mescaline if they are very closely related to williamsii (like decipiens) other members of the genus contain high levels of pellotine (such as diffusa) and offer a more "Datura-like" experience than "True Peyote", thats one reason Lophophora diffusa is one of the "False Peyotes".
Of course they are useful! Those are awesome specimens and if they are diffusa they are actually much rarer and more sought after by cacti collectors than williamsii!
I still think they are williamsii tho, but I'll get a positive ID over at the Corroboree.
I'm going to say these are Lophophora williamsii var. decipiens or Lophophora decipiens, I just can't say for sure without a flower.
Other Lophophora in the genus are psychoactive but will only contain high levels of mescaline if they are very closely related to williamsii (like decipiens) other members of the genus contain high levels of pellotine (such as diffusa) and offer a more "Datura-like" experience than "True Peyote", thats one reason Lophophora diffusa is one of the "False Peyotes".
Of course they are useful! Those are awesome specimens and if they are diffusa they are actually much rarer and more sought after by cacti collectors than williamsii!
I still think they are williamsii tho, but I'll get a positive ID over at the Corroboree.
Man those are beutiful what ever they are. Take good care of them.
memo
Rising Star
I've been surprised by the variability of their appearance. Check out Erowid's collection of photos:
Erowid Peyote Vault : Images
Photographs and drawings of the Lophophora williamsii (peyote) cactus.
www.erowid.org
'Coatl
Teotzlcoatl
Theres many species of Lophophora and even more strains and forms... this is one thing I think alot of people don't realize about Trichocereus cacti and entheogeic botanicals in general. Sometimes only a specific strain is active... while other times, a whole genus of plants make be active.
'Coatl
Teotzlcoatl
Sweet,
Let's hope more people agree.
Let's hope more people agree.