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the smiling eyes

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I'd like to know if anyone else has experienced this.

As unpredictable and abstract as a DMT trip can be, we all pretty much (on a very small scale) know what to expect when you take flight. By that I mean the beautiful, colourful hyperspace environment. I mean the divine beings that eminate from the chrysanthemum of breathing colour that appears inside your eyelids. It's that sense of one-ness you experience with the "everything" around you.

But has anyone undergone a completely different dislocation of reality?

I, on two occasions, experienced something so confusing I can't imagine how I came back alive. In one experience I felt as though my consciousness had slipped away from me and I had become a cog in a big other worldy machine. Like I was a gear, stuck in this crushing rotation that I could not escape. It was very frightening. I felt helpless.

On another occasion I somehow got caught in this weird time warp. I put on a song to listen to while in flight. I smoked a few hits and somehow all of a sudden it was 3 songs later on the CD. I dont know where the time went. It was instantaneous. It's like time sped up to an unbelievable speed. I have no recollection of what happened in that time. There were no visual hallucinations. I looked around the room and I could not recognize my own apartment. It took another 5 minutes for me to accept that yes, this is where I live, I am still where I started and everything is fine.

Can anyone relate to this?
Am I going crazy?
 
the first, not so much but I did feel myself being thrashed about without much control, the latter yes! When I came back through, comprehension of what I was was something that took me a while to get back into. The who what where and when were very distant for a good 5 minutes. I also endured time warp on a "light" trip as I remember the galactic mantra beginning only to be aware of it's ending in what felt like a matter of seconds!
Hope this helps.
 
hey smiling eye's. yes i bet many people will relate to your experiences i know i sure do. not exactly the same scenario but rather the odd peculiarity of dmt.

i for one have a hard time comprehending its the same substance from trip to trip. the effects range from the "industry standard" of worm holes, chrysanthemum, beings, ext... but then there is this other side to dmt. the side that you cant even conceive of because its not possible with an un-altered mind. the trips can actually become so in depth and strange that even when your back to your body sitting up looking around the room it takes some time to remember the basic knowledge of your personal reality.

ive been there my friend. its the part of dmt that really makes me nervous.
 
It makes me nervous too man. After my strange experiences I havn't been able to muster up the courage to go again. It's too unpredictable in such a profound way. I'm afraid that if I undergo something like that too many times it will be damaging to my mental well being. So I've taken a step away from it. I still consider myself a facilitator for people into the DMT world and I still take great joy in introducing people to it. I now, however, have a great fear in me about stepping into that world myself. I'm not saying I will never go back, I just think my body will tell me when I am ready to. Hopefully it will be soon as I've gotten so much unbelievable joy from some of my experiences. I just know that right now isn't the time. Thank you for your response. It's good to know I'm not the only one completely confused by this stuff.
 
I have certainly experienced these lucid yet entirely alien dimensions of perception. Trying to describe entirely different frameworks of reality or non-reality (alternate reality?) is rather useless. I have experienced entire lifetimes as a strange life form on a distant world where physics, matter and energy are not even remotely similar, only to arrive back in my bed.

Exactly as you say, sometimes you get the chrysanthemum and alien beings saying hello and other times its just bonkers in the clarity and utterly alien mode of experience.

It brings me to the same old question... 'what is DMT doing?' Is it all in my head? Are we traveling out our bodies to alternate dimensions? Are these dimensions inside us but completely real? Are they just vivid mindscapes that fizzle out when we come down?
Do we go 'out there' when we die? These are the truly interesting questions that DMT brings up and personally where i gather a large amount of spiritual energy? vibes? ...experience.

Allowing me to step outside of normal perception and into a place/space/time/dimension that i could not imagine gives me a nice sensation of hope that there is something more then this militant capitalist timebomb.
 
xtechre- for me the fact that the experince can get so bizarre and almost meaningless because its so peculiar makes me lean tords believing this is all created by and taking place within our minds.

i think if we were going to another place outside of our selves this wouldn't happen. its not just a strange land of different laws and physics it can often not even make sense. its like you threw a glass of water on a complex computer mother board and all these circuits make random unheard of connections forming these strange confusing happenings. its just a big mess of out of control signals.

smiling eye's- im right there with you. i also had a strange scary one happened to me feb 6 2010. i could have hurt myslef and feel that incident crossed a line i am definetly not ok with. i haven't been able to relax enough to go back since. i also hope someday soon this will change. i keep trying every couple months with light doses just to see if i can finally surrender myself to the experience again so i may resume my work with dmt. there is a very good chance i wil not be able to ever again. ceist la vi. thats sucks but its the cards ive been dealt so ill play my hand as best i can. i learned a whole lot in the couple years i used dmt.

only time will tell.
 
I can relate with your experience but not with the "know what to expect" part.

DMT can and will do pretty much anything. Hyperspace is infinite and in that space you are a puppet. I've stacked my own leg meat on shelves. Not literally of course, but it was a very dutiful illusion.

I've also sat laughing on the roof of my bathroom while pointing down at myself in a hammock that was pitched at the corners of my eyes while smiling behind them when they were closed while lying in my bed. I've crashed into the side of buildings, I've waited for takeaway, I've witnessed birds take flight from the palms of my hands,I've been inhabited by serpents, I've been mixed in a bowl and have been lovingly passed from hand to hand by unidentifiable strangers. I've also got up and ran to a cupboard only to be greeted by a rainbow with a smiley face.
 
Here's the part that really frightens me.

I am completely convinced that DMT is the doorway into the afterlife. It is said that when we die our brain floods with it and given the nature of my early DMT experiences and after seeing hyperspace first hand, I am inclined to agree with that hypothesis. For a long time it gave me great comfort because when I went to hyperspace it was a place of utter beauty and one-ness and love. I felt like I belonged there and that I had been there many times before.

Then I had the other experiences. The crushing gear rotation trip that was frightening and overwhelming. I think to myself, is what happens to you in a DMT trip just a random occurance? I'd really like to believe that it's simply a window into the land of the divine, and that when we die we just climb through that window. However, after these COMPLETELY different and unsettling experiences I fear that maybe our brain's system for giving us DMT when we die is flawed and is just a roll of the dice the way smoking DMT now seems to be.

If that's the case then what if heaven and hell are just products of the randomness the DMT in our brain exudes. What if heaven is randomly getting to hyperspace when our brain is flooded with DMT when we die? What if hell is randomly slipping into one of these terrifying realities where everything is backwards and you lose all control.

My usage of the terms heaven and hell are in no way linked to any organized religion im just using them as a point of reference.

But these are very heavy questions that, frankly, frighten me to my very core.
 
I have done a lot of thinking on that very subject. What led me to my final conclusion was the strongest DMT trip I ever had. I had smoked it several times previous, but the strongest one was actually induced by my own death. I won't go into the details, but I wasn't on any drugs, and after I was resuscitated, I recognized that I had entered the other-world. I lay on the couch, closed my eyes, and let the trip take effect. I spoke with the divine one, and s/he explained it to me, and through our talk, I worked out the following conclusion:

Just as whatever state of mind one is in just before entering hyperspace determines what sort of trip will be had, I believe that the way we live our lives, and how we mold our minds to think, will ultimately be the deciding factor as to whether that final "trip" will be good or bad. Therefore, people who have grown comfortable being nasty, mean, and malignant, will go to "hell," and those who have practiced humility, love, and peace with others will go to "heaven."

This is reinforced by the beliefs and teachings of most major religions, possibly since they all supposedly originated from people using entheogens.
 
That is actually a very comforting and challenging way of looking at it. That notion makes me want to be a better, more positive person. My afterlife depends on it. It's all set and setting with DMT supposedly right? Your theory takes that notion to a much larger scale. Your life here on earth is your oppurtunity to create you "set and setting" for when we die and take the ultimate journey. I really like that notion. Thank you.
 
I enjoy reading everyone's responses. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has had a "scare." Not that it was terribly bad, it was just sooo overwhelming that I didn't know what to do other than to close my eyes.

Going back to the original poster. He talked about time speeding up. In my most intense breakthrough I closed my eyes, I slowed down time to where it eventually stopped. I was in a "moment" which seemed like eternity. I guess it's not that I slowed down time, it was the idea that time didn't exist. Eventually I opened up my eyes and was still at the peak of my breakthrough. I had totally forgotten I was even on DMT because of how long I spent hanging out in my "moment." The idea didn't completely scare me, but I promise you I think twice before I take each hit of DMT. Normally I'll hold back more these days because of how intense that one trip was.
 
I've totally experienced that exact same feeling of time ceasing to exist. Where that one moment becomes eternity, and yes, it is very overwhelming. I stopped using DMT for a long while after that but then resumed with some great success. At least that experience was still what I would expect from DMT. I was in hyperspace. You know what I mean. Then I had those other very strange experiences I described that were unlike any other I've had and I've stopped using it again. But I definitely can relate to the time stopping thing you described.
 
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