Can we really create our own reality? Can we really enlighten ourselves?

[DMT_Tom]

Dear Nexians,

I have a couple big questions for you, because I have come across some confusion recently.

What are your thoughts on what the Nexus Refers to as "consensus reality?"
I am a believer in it! Honestly, do some of us smoke DMT or do other entheogens with the purpose of finding more about the nature of this reality? (I actually use it without looking for "truths," but the effects are so profound that they are affecting my real life quite a bit and giving me perspective)

Also, your thoughts on whether there is such a thing as "absolute truth" that holds an authority outside the realm of humans to decide or devise? Are the hyperspace beings and Akashik book real, or just imagined (I have come nowhere near seeing anything resembling s real God or entity as of yet, and if I did see one would probably need to investigate it before declaring it real)
Examples of absolute truths; your leg is broken. Gravity exists. Without breathing air you will cease to live due to suffocation .


Also I am A believer that I am not the center of the "real" universe or any other universe... And that i am not here because chose to be born. Therefore I am skeptical of the claim that humans, both individually and collectively, have the authority to "create our own truths" and worship our own thoughts.

Real talk, when I look into myself I can't fool myself into thinking i am blameless. In fact there are some heinous evils
Lurking in me, and I am a self-serving being at my Core. The fact that i didn't kill as many people as Hitler (I haven't killed anyone!) doesn't justify me at all.... What gives a person like me the authority to decide for myself (and for others) what is good or bad (or for those who do not view "good/bad" as real, whatever increases your karma or earns you a higher place in the order of the universe)?

In posting this mainly to get it off my chest. I am not doing DMT to search for the answers to these deep questions, and am totally skeptical that when I smoke, spirits are really implanting thoughts in my head. However i believe in God of course! I'm not an atheist in fact I'm a lifelong Christian... which is a very non-tolerant-of-other-gods religion (mmmm yes, i do think that the whole bible claims to be truth and the authoritative words of God).

I came hear to learn not to preach. What do you all have for me?
I love DMT so far because I think it's an amazing beautiful and artistic gift from God to give us joy and awe, and show us the incomprehensible depths of the minds he created in each of us. Such a belief helps keep my head from going insane and getting too lost and confused during and after hyperspace

 

[Jakup]

What are your thoughts on what the Nexus Refers to as "consensus reality?"

I guess consensus reality is that which we experience in our day to day lives and can all for the most part agree upon. It seems like you are saying that you believe what you experience day to day is the true nature of reality, and that psychedelics have nothing to offer as far as gaining knowledge or wisdom.

Our versions of reality are generated in the brain and we experience things the way we do because it has been best suited for survival(evolution). What we experience cannot be the ultimate state of things, reality almost surely goes much deeper than we can fathom. We know very little about how the brain works, and I personally feel like psychedelics have something to say about the nature of consciousness.

Therefore I am skeptical of the claim that humans, both individually and collectively, have the authority to "create our own truths" and worship our own thoughts.

Objectively, there is only one truth, and we have to test things and work to figure out what is going on. That is the scientific endeavor(but science never claims truth, it is all provisional). But subjectively, people can believe whatever they want to and in practice it will be true for them in so far as that goes(until they are proven wrong).

What gives a person like me the authority to decide for myself (and for others) what is good or bad (or for those who do not view "good/bad" as real, whatever increases your karma or earns you a higher place in the order of the universe)?

Good and bad are pretty simple, man. Just try to help people and not do harm and that's really it. Why make it more complicated than that? Of course we all screw up, but right and wrong should be obvious most of the time.

I don't want to attack your beliefs but you put yourself out there and I'm going to tell you what I think.
I use to be a Christian and then one day I woke up and realized that I was forcing myself to believe something. Faith is ultimately an ignorant and close minded attitude, because one will shove aside anything that goes against it.

Think about the basis of Christianity. God made man and set all the rules and knew everything that was going to happen. Then Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and then humans fell into sin.
So Jesus had to die a painful torturous death to redeem us?! Why couldn't God just forgive us? He makes all the rules, so why would he make it a rule that his son has to die? It makes no sense at all.If it's true then God is immoral, but it's obviously a sick sadomasochistic fantasy that some human came up with to control other humans.

I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just that if you step outside of the dogma you might realize how crazy that story actually sounds. I would most definitely question the claim that the Bible is the ultimate word of God. Especially since the only evidence to back up that claim is the Bible.

Seriously though, DMT is awesome.

 

[BongWizard]

I know I probably shouldn't be saying this because I'm sure it will offend some people (so all apologies in advance), but jakup posting about god creating man and knowing the future etc got me thinking.

If god created man and knew every possible future, then he must have screwed up in some aspect. Either he messed up when creating man (otherwise a&e wouldn't have eaten the fruit of knowledge), or he could only see his idealised future (otherwise he would have known they were going to eat the fruit) or he didn't see that within himself was need to be all powerful (if god created man in his own image then their succumbing to temptation came from Him).

Surely I'm missing something, but I'm not the religious type. I believe that everyone is entitled to their only beliefs and that whatever you believe is true (to you) so long as you believe it.

I think a lot a about the many possible truths of this universe (some scientific, some spiritual and some that are just ridiculous but kinda explain everything better than can be done through facts). For example, perhaps our universe is a simulation created by an artificial superintellect to keep our minds enslaved and DMT is the only way to see reality as it truly is ("get me a hard line." /me hooks a 44 gallon drum of DMT solution to his vein. Lol)

 

[drfaust]

You are asking "metaphysical" questions, which is a wonderful thing to do.

But these questions are unanswerable in any ultimate terms. I do think you can train in "ground state" and I do think a level head is very important.

Delusions are dangerously seductive for many young men, so do take care with what you "believe".

 

[Jees]

This youtube intrigued me by what the physical is able to pull of, as a compliment to what the metaphysical can bring. Especially because he really emphasizes on not being a freak-born exception.

Inside the Superhuman World of the Iceman

 

[hardboiled]

This youtube intrigued me by what the physical is able to pull of, as a compliment to what the metaphysical can bring. Especially because he really emphasizes on not being a freak-born exception.

Inside the Superhuman World of the Iceman

Interesting it hasn't been long when i had watched and read about him. I have started to shower with ice cold water since then and must say it is amazing.:shock: And his breathing techniques are triggering dmt yawns and tingling sensations in some parts of my head plus i have broker my PR in holding my breath with this breathing exercises. Went from 1min 30sec to 3min 40sec.8) :!:
Guy seems legit. Check some of his interviews and documentaries were he also mentions dmt, pineal gland etc.

 

[pitubo]

This youtube intrigued me by what the physical is able to pull of, as a compliment to what the metaphysical can bring. Especially because he really emphasizes on not being a freak-born exception.

IMHO this is not metaphysical in any way. My girlfriend used to feel very cold a lot of the time. Then one time I took her to walk barefoot on a glacier in Iceland and she really liked it, and not feeling cold anymore for the rest of the vacation (Iceland is not that cold anyway, just very windy.)

Eventually, back home, she did one of the Wim Hof courses, including bathing in a bath filled with ice cubes and she experienced the "inner fire". AFAICS it is all about relaxing and letting the body do its natural thing, letting the body's thermostat click into action.

To think that this is exceptional is IMHO mostly a testament to the extent that we have lost contact with our physical nature and origins.

 

[DMT_Tom]

It seems like you are saying that you believe what you experience day to day is the true nature of reality, and that psychedelics have nothing to offer as far as gaining knowledge or wisdom.

Don't get me wrong. Psychedelics can provide wisdom through the change in perspective they offer. This is a personal wisdom and insight, for sure. I just meant to say that my smoking DMT does not affect anyone other than myself, and probably doesn't transport you to a real physical realm with real creatures. These realms are just incredible facets and constructs of our heads, but not empirical, exact realms that others can visit even if they smoke DMT, cuz they will have a different version of it.

Our versions of reality are generated in the brain and we experience things the way we do because it has been best suited for survival(evolution).

I don't entirely agree. Complex, drastic evolution of life and intelligence is not something I believe in. Yes, i believe in adjustment and progress amongst animals and humans, but we are only working with what's already been given to us (our intellects, the designs and brilliance found in nature). It is hard not to see evidence of design that is not random chance in the universe, for me.

What we experience cannot be the ultimate state of things, reality almost surely goes much deeper than we can fathom. We know very little about how the brain works, and I personally feel like psychedelics have something to say about the nature of consciousness.

I absolutely agree with this! And I can hold Christian beliefs as well as this belief with no mental conflict.

Objectively, there is only one truth, and we have to test things and work to figure out what is going on. That is the scientific endeavor(but science never claims truth, it is all provisional). But subjectively, people can believe whatever they want to and in practice it will be true for them in so far as that goes(until they are proven wrong).

Interesting how you're saying there is only one objective truth. I tend to agree. That belief in itself takes quite a bit of faith to comprehend. I also totally believe as a Christian that our brains are finite and limited, so that we do have to figure out what's going on as best as our God-given minds allow. God gives different gifts to all of us. He even allows the intellectual comprehension of some to be severely limited, meaning they can't even comprehend simple beliefs (think about babies, too).
Some things do require subjective beliefs, and some things are true for us and not others. But that only goes so far because my uneducated opinion about what's wrong with a dying patient is NOT true compared to a doctor's diagnosis of a life-threatening illness. yes the doctor can still be wrong

Good and bad are pretty simple, man. Just try to help people and not do harm and that's really it. Why make it more complicated than that? Of course we all screw up, but right and wrong should be obvious most of the time.

Well.......... yes for normal people this may work. But what if our society started telling us that killing humans was okay? We would all shift our definition of good and bad. To use an extreme example, I'm sure that some criminals don't see their actions as bad, since they may be driven by a distorted inner desire for gratifications (just like someone who's addicted will do anything to get their fix and right versus wrong is completely out of whack).

My point is that helping others and trying not to harm.. probably isn't good enough since we keep changing the standards, don't we?

I don't want to attack your beliefs but you put yourself out there and I'm going to tell you what I think.
I use to be a Christian and then one day I woke up and realized that I was forcing myself to believe something. Faith is ultimately an ignorant and close minded attitude, because one will shove aside anything that goes against it.

Thanks for your response, and I do not feel attacked or offended my friend . I am grateful you took the time with this thoughtful response and I am trying to learn from it.
Honestly I feel the exact same way about my faith... for years. But for some reason, I just cannot discard my faith!

Think about the basis of Christianity. God made man and set all the rules and knew everything that was going to happen. Then Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and then humans fell into sin.
So Jesus had to die a painful torturous death to redeem us?! Why couldn't God just forgive us? He makes all the rules, so why would he make it a rule that his son has to die? It makes no sense at all.If it's true then God is immoral, but it's obviously a sick sadomasochistic fantasy that some human came up with to control other humans.

I don't have as much trouble with this question actually. it did bother me at first... but I guess God's ways are higher than our ways. in fact... i HATE the way God chose to play out the universe.. I would MUCH rather have had him cut out the whole suffering part... why God? Yes, i believe he could have snapped his fingers and done whatever he wanted. But the fact that he chose to send his Son to die does NOT really invalidate Him as God in my opinion!! It's just WEIRD that he did it that way.. and we have no choice but to accept it or call it too crazy. But to me, it's actually okay that i don't know why he did it that way, among other things I'm unable to figure out about him because he's God and I'm not.

I would most definitely question the claim that the Bible is the ultimate word of God. Especially since the only evidence to back up that claim is the Bible.

Yes Jakup I most definitely question the stated authority of the Bible and probably will never stop! But you can still believe the Bible is true even after questioning it and getting stumped.
I agree that there is no outside evidence to point to the Bible being sole authority and the word of God. But the Bible itself, the events described, the story, the societies, and the history is all there. It is not just fiction. If there is a God to be known, the Bible and the story of Jesus it describes is at the very least a strong candidate for the truth! haha.
But the Bible is so confusing and I totally agree that people distort it and use it for their own power.
Every time I disbelieve or doubt the Bible, I try not to lose my faith over it until I can decide whether it's me or the Bible that's wrong. There are lots of human-made and corrupt interpretations and out-of-context quotes to navigate through before throwing out its claims that it's the true word of God.

Seriously though, DMT is awesome.

we can definitely agree here.


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[DMT_Tom]

(if god created man in his own image then their succumbing to temptation came from Him).

Oh, but that raises a really good point. Where did Evil come from then? The Bible does reveal to us that there was a fall before "The Fall"!! Which is fascinating. This fall refers to the Devil himself, aka. Lucifer meaning "shining light." He was the right-hand angel of God, and chose to rebel and took 1/3 of the Angels with him to wage war against God.
So I guess you'd have to ask, did God create Lucifer evil as well??
One of the hardest, most humbling things that I have learned from the Bible is that God is entirely good, and sin is entirely our fault, not his. Yes, my inner soul really struggles with blame here. And even some Christians go so far as to say that we are NOT born sinful! I am not one of those Christians, I believe that from conception we are damned which is a ridiculously hard pill to swallow. I guess I need to either keep swallowing it, or figure out how to break free from this belief since I have not successfully done it so far.
So yes, the Bible teaches that God is not to blame for evil. So what do we do... as a Christian I am allowed to raise all hell about that belief because it seems unfair. But... that's not enough for me to stop believing in God... that's just a part of God that I cannot understand and have a lot of trouble accepting. But the Word really does teach us that, so I have to deal with it or discard the inerrancy of the Bible.

Surely I'm missing something, but I'm not the religious type. I believe that everyone is entitled to their only beliefs and that whatever you believe is true (to you) so long as you believe it.

Yes. To a point. Just think of Christian scientists. They don't believe their physical bodies are "real" and when someone breaks a bone, they pray that it will heal since they believe that nothing is wrong. Well.. I just cannot share or accept that belief! It's delusional not to get medical help for a broken bone or fatal disease that can be treated by medicine.

I think a lot a about the many possible truths of this universe (some scientific, some spiritual and some that are just ridiculous but kinda explain everything better than can be done through facts). For example, perhaps our universe is a simulation created by an artificial superintellect to keep our minds enslaved and DMT is the only way to see reality as it truly is ("get me a hard line." /me hooks a 44 gallon drum of DMT solution to his vein. Lol)

Sure! that's a fun thing to believe. I honestly don't believe that this is an artificial universe that DMT allows us to escape, but sometimes I just pretend it is. haha and I can still be a Christian and not "violate" my faith by doing that at all, can't I? Sometimes it feels like God is the superintellingence to whom we must bow haha. But then again, somebody created me, and the universe is somehow here, and not because I willed it to be

 

[DMT_Tom]

IMHO this is not metaphysical in any way.
To think that this is exceptional is IMHO mostly a testament to the extent that we have lost contact with our physical nature and origins.

Yeah. I agree. This person's unique, uncommon mastery over his physical body does not lead me to question my faith or beliefs at all. I think it is wonderful, still but not limitless (a Youtube commented joked "next year, he will be flying")

So...
The Bible claims that Jesus was raised from the dead, a feat that I'm sure Wim Hof or anyone else has not mastered. It's always been a fantasy of the human race to achieve immortality... but either it's impossible or we are nowhere near that (go ahead and bring up the new advancements in science, but I still think they are doomed).
It is because of this absurd and incredible claim that my interest is piqued. I'm in the camp where if that's not true... screw the entire Bible as Truth because the resurrection is pretty darn important to the whole story.

 

[Jees]

This youtube intrigued me by what the physical is able to pull of, as a compliment to what the metaphysical can bring. Especially because he really emphasizes on not being a freak-born exception.

IMHO this is not metaphysical in any way...

I agree fully, it's almost looks like the opposite, the word "compliment" was meant as "in completing with", as an addition. Could have worded that better I guess
But I think it's not just only body-mechanics and thermostat stuff here, a human is more coherent than that, and the video does show that the moment he mentions that is is actually about love, a very weird twist going from physical challenge to that, but it's there this "link". He's serious about the overall impact.
The reason I posted the vid-link is that there seems to be more than one way to come to the same regions of inner wisdom and creation.

 

[DMT_Tom]

Delusions are dangerously seductive for many young men, so do take care with what you "believe".

I know. I guess older men are subject to delusions too, but can certainly have more experience and wisdom from living life longer.

 

[drfaust]

This youtube intrigued me by what the physical is able to pull of, as a compliment to what the metaphysical can bring. Especially because he really emphasizes on not being a freak-born exception.

IMHO this is not metaphysical in any way...

I agree fully, it's almost looks like the opposite, the word "compliment" was meant as "in completing with", as an addition. Could have worded that better I guess
But I think it's not just only body-mechanics and thermostat stuff here, a human is more coherent than that, and the video does show that the moment he mentions that is is actually about love, a very weird twist going from physical challenge to that, but it's there this "link". He's serious about the overall impact.
The reason I posted the vid-link is that there seems to be more than one way to come to the same regions of inner wisdom and creation.

Nice Jees!

Thanks so much for this contribution.

I dig the iceman. I'd perhaps pull back a little on the hype, on all the superhuman type rhetoric, and the expectations.

And. And, there are much more gentle ways to do pranayama or breathing exercises and to work with the "inner heat". I don't do "forceful" exercises at all.

And when I see people doing "forceful" fire breathing, I kind of wince a little.

I'm kind of a gentle mini-iceman myself as I do love the freezing cold water and what it does for me.
And I do hold a few "gentle" breaths. And I hold very gently.

breathing *is* emotional. And what they call kumbhaka or the "hold" actually happens naturally and gently in deep states of "love".

So, minus all the hype and the expectations, it is indeed very natural, or seems so to me.

In fact, I'm leaving for the mountains today to do my mini iceman thing!

 

[Nereus]

This youtube intrigued me by what the physical is able to pull of, as a compliment to what the metaphysical can bring. Especially because he really emphasizes on not being a freak-born exception.
Inside the Superhuman World of the Iceman

Dear lord

Thanks for sharing!

 

[drfaust]

The reason I posted the vid-link is that there seems to be more than one way to come to the same regions of inner wisdom and creation.

I love it! I watched the entire vid and I agree with you.

I really like the iceman. One thing that really resonated with me is the relationship with grief. I love how he said the final step is to return to the "grief".

As a more emotional iceman, and a little less of a physical daredevil, I kind of see myself emotionally scaling freezing mountains of grief in my little shorts.

It really hurts to feel the sadness, and it feels so good at the same time.

I have that experience in the cold water. It hurts like hell. I actually want to be raw to it and feel the pain and the fear of it.

In that way, I'm a little different. I do feel the fear and the cold, and I do feel weak. But, I don't let it stop me! I kind of dig the pain of it. I like being raw to it.

And maybe, maybe I'd change "feeling in control" to "cultivating surrender" to the overwhelming experience of being alive. But, hey, that's my game.

Thanks Jees!

 

[Jees]

Thank you for the adds

... I love how he said the final step is to return to the "grief"...

Well, yeah, and no I guess.

Grief is a source, a well, yes.
But then, please forgive this, the process of grief regurgitating is also "just" a state, a tuning, a practice.
With that last I mean no disrespect to the grief's cause (that stays legit), but then one could ask inquisitively-daring in how far that ongoing grief-processing is, zooming out, a cloaked thing, coming from whatever seen or more likely unseen drive.

Even more daring: in how far is grief attracted for a (hidden) reason?
I've felt grief for my partner before, but then realize later that this might have been element of the falling in love, happening just out of my eye corner.
:shock:
levers come in surprising shapes.

I stray from generalizing!!!
Just probing grief's features and biting my lip to withhold "grief-addiction".
Darn, it's out

As an exercise I like to balance "practicing grief" with a "need". Nothing wrong with "needing", all human natural. Yet a change of spotlight on grief perhaps. It might mediate (emotional) gravity on occasion.

Grief as a final step:
the Tao winks that it's just (like anything for that matter) an energy form, and thus transformable without loosing any of it's potential (like a battery, it is still open to use differently). Hardly anything final to the Tao.
I do not think IMHO that iceman transformed grief into the miraculous spin-offs, but suspect he used grief as a katalist instead with the grief remaining pristine to function (more power to him !).

BTW in the "now" there isn't enough place to accommodate grief.