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I guess consensus reality is that which we experience in our day to day lives and can all for the most part agree upon. It seems like you are saying that you believe what you experience day to day is the true nature of reality, and that psychedelics have nothing to offer as far as gaining knowledge or wisdom.

Our versions of reality are generated in the brain and we experience things the way we do because it has been best suited for survival(evolution). What we experience cannot be the ultimate state of things, reality almost surely goes much deeper than we can fathom. We know very little about how the brain works, and I personally feel like psychedelics have something to say about the nature of consciousness.

Objectively, there is only one truth, and we have to test things and work to figure out what is going on. That is the scientific endeavor(but science never claims truth, it is all provisional). But subjectively, people can believe whatever they want to and in practice it will be true for them in so far as that goes(until they are proven wrong).

Good and bad are pretty simple, man. Just try to help people and not do harm and that's really it. Why make it more complicated than that? Of course we all screw up, but right and wrong should be obvious most of the time.

I don't want to attack your beliefs but you put yourself out there and I'm going to tell you what I think.
I use to be a Christian and then one day I woke up and realized that I was forcing myself to believe something. Faith is ultimately an ignorant and close minded attitude, because one will shove aside anything that goes against it.

Think about the basis of Christianity. God made man and set all the rules and knew everything that was going to happen. Then Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and then humans fell into sin.
So Jesus had to die a painful torturous death to redeem us?! Why couldn't God just forgive us? He makes all the rules, so why would he make it a rule that his son has to die? It makes no sense at all.If it's true then God is immoral, but it's obviously a sick sadomasochistic fantasy that some human came up with to control other humans.

I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just that if you step outside of the dogma you might realize how crazy that story actually sounds. I would most definitely question the claim that the Bible is the ultimate word of God. Especially since the only evidence to back up that claim is the Bible.

Seriously though, DMT is awesome.

<blockquote data-quote="Jakup" data-source="post: 3761479" data-attributes="member: 21722">I guess consensus reality is that which we experience in our day to day lives and can all for the most part agree upon. It seems like you are saying that you believe what you experience day to day is the true nature of reality, and that psychedelics have nothing to offer as far as gaining knowledge or wisdom.Our versions of reality are generated in the brain and we experience things the way we do because it has been best suited for survival(evolution). What we experience cannot be the ultimate state of things, reality almost surely goes much deeper than we can fathom. We know very little about how the brain works, and I personally feel like psychedelics have something to say about the nature of consciousness.Objectively, there is only one truth, and we have to test things and work to figure out what is going on. That is the scientific endeavor(but science never claims truth, it is all provisional). But subjectively, people can believe whatever they want to and in practice it will be true for them in so far as that goes(until they are proven wrong). Good and bad are pretty simple, man. Just try to help people and not do harm and that&#039;s really it. Why make it more complicated than that? Of course we all screw up, but right and wrong should be obvious most of the time. I don&#039;t want to attack your beliefs but you put yourself out there and I&#039;m going to tell you what I think.I use to be a Christian and then one day I woke up and realized that I was forcing myself to believe something. Faith is ultimately an ignorant and close minded attitude, because one will shove aside anything that goes against it. Think about the basis of Christianity. God made man and set all the rules and knew everything that was going to happen. Then Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and then humans fell into sin.So Jesus had to die a painful torturous death to redeem us?! Why couldn&#039;t God just forgive us? He makes all the rules, so why would he make it a rule that his son has to die? It makes no sense at all.If it&#039;s true then God is immoral, but it&#039;s obviously a sick sadomasochistic fantasy that some human came up with to control other humans.I&#039;m not trying to be offensive, it&#039;s just that if you step outside of the dogma you might realize how crazy that story actually sounds. I would most definitely question the claim that the Bible is the ultimate word of God. Especially since the only evidence to back up that claim is the Bible.Seriously though, DMT is awesome.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jakup, post: 3761479, member: 21722"] I guess consensus reality is that which we experience in our day to day lives and can all for the most part agree upon. It seems like you are saying that you believe what you experience day to day is the true nature of reality, and that psychedelics have nothing to offer as far as gaining knowledge or wisdom. Our versions of reality are generated in the brain and we experience things the way we do because it has been best suited for survival(evolution). What we experience cannot be the ultimate state of things, reality almost surely goes much deeper than we can fathom. We know very little about how the brain works, and I personally feel like psychedelics have something to say about the nature of consciousness. Objectively, there is only one truth, and we have to test things and work to figure out what is going on. That is the scientific endeavor(but science never claims truth, it is all provisional). But subjectively, people can believe whatever they want to and in practice it will be true for them in so far as that goes(until they are proven wrong). Good and bad are pretty simple, man. Just try to help people and not do harm and that's really it. Why make it more complicated than that? Of course we all screw up, but right and wrong should be obvious most of the time. I don't want to attack your beliefs but you put yourself out there and I'm going to tell you what I think. I use to be a Christian and then one day I woke up and realized that I was forcing myself to believe something. Faith is ultimately an ignorant and close minded attitude, because one will shove aside anything that goes against it. Think about the basis of Christianity. God made man and set all the rules and knew everything that was going to happen. Then Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and then humans fell into sin. So Jesus had to die a painful torturous death to redeem us?! Why couldn't God just forgive us? He makes all the rules, so why would he make it a rule that his son has to die? It makes no sense at all.If it's true then God is immoral, but it's obviously a sick sadomasochistic fantasy that some human came up with to control other humans. I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just that if you step outside of the dogma you might realize how crazy that story actually sounds. I would most definitely question the claim that the Bible is the ultimate word of God. Especially since the only evidence to back up that claim is the Bible. Seriously though, DMT is awesome. [/QUOTE]