Has anybody ever tried cannabis with caapi or other harmala's?
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cannabis and harmala's?
- Thread starter polytrip
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yes
Dont really like it though.
Dont really like it though.
LucidLemonade
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SWIM used to quite often add harmala extracts to a bowl & for some they combine together quite nicely to form a different head space & certainly allow for slight visuals behind closed eyes...
a few MG is all that is needed to feel the effects... SWIM only tried THH a few times & that certainly appears to burn worse than either harmine or harmiline & didnt appear to be as effective... none of them appear to burn/vaporise well at all, but the effects are easy to feel..... again, you don't need much when using this way as overdoing it can quite easlsy can lead to headaches.... best to do when in the afterglow of a DMT comedown to bring it back on slightly....
a few MG is all that is needed to feel the effects... SWIM only tried THH a few times & that certainly appears to burn worse than either harmine or harmiline & didnt appear to be as effective... none of them appear to burn/vaporise well at all, but the effects are easy to feel..... again, you don't need much when using this way as overdoing it can quite easlsy can lead to headaches.... best to do when in the afterglow of a DMT comedown to bring it back on slightly....
Ginkgo
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I like to smoke a low to medium dosage of a full-alkaloid extract from Harmal (Syrian Rue) together with high-quality Cannabis. It potentates the cannabis quite a big amount, and makes it even more psychedelic. It is not very visionary (only sublte CEVs), but more psychedelic thought patterns than with cannabis alone. The smoke is harsh, but I feel it is worth it.
To OP:
Tried this last night. Put 70mg harmine on top of a loaded bong. First thing noticed is the taste,..quite different but managebale. It seems to hit pretty quickly. Minor OEV..slight shifting of certain objects within field of view. CEV's..minor but most definitely noticeable. A calming feeling throughout the body. Minor body load but has a sliigghhtt energetic feel to it. Definitely a deeper thought pattern than with just cannabis alone.
Also tried 70mg harmaline on a loaded bong. Hit almost just as quick it seemed as the harmine. First thing noticed was the different headspace it gives you..kind of a strong vibratory pressure, but in no way a bad thing. The feeling from the head seemed to travel down through my body eventually. More relaxing with more of the antidepressant feel to it than the harmine trial. Definitely a deeper thought pattern similar to harmine.
All in all harmaline was my choice as far as smoking with cannabis goes.
Eventually I threw a little THH into the mix sublingually...50mg.
Any fogginess from the cannabis was for the most part gone.. Potentiated the harmaline to a degree. A little brighter and seemed to last for awhile. Definitely didnt feel like your typical cannabis experience at all, on a much different note. :shock:
Tried this last night. Put 70mg harmine on top of a loaded bong. First thing noticed is the taste,..quite different but managebale. It seems to hit pretty quickly. Minor OEV..slight shifting of certain objects within field of view. CEV's..minor but most definitely noticeable. A calming feeling throughout the body. Minor body load but has a sliigghhtt energetic feel to it. Definitely a deeper thought pattern than with just cannabis alone.
Also tried 70mg harmaline on a loaded bong. Hit almost just as quick it seemed as the harmine. First thing noticed was the different headspace it gives you..kind of a strong vibratory pressure, but in no way a bad thing. The feeling from the head seemed to travel down through my body eventually. More relaxing with more of the antidepressant feel to it than the harmine trial. Definitely a deeper thought pattern similar to harmine.
All in all harmaline was my choice as far as smoking with cannabis goes.
Eventually I threw a little THH into the mix sublingually...50mg.
Any fogginess from the cannabis was for the most part gone.. Potentiated the harmaline to a degree. A little brighter and seemed to last for awhile. Definitely didnt feel like your typical cannabis experience at all, on a much different note. :shock:
THH and some cannabis is a nice combination.
First off, HOORAY FOR CANNABIS AND HARMINE (if you're in the right mood). I've gotten OEV's from joints dusted with a bunch of harmine extracted from Rue seeds. The visuals were like lower dose mushrooms and were quite nice. It definitely alters the high though, regardless of the weed. Personally, I find the effects enjoyable every once in a while.
WTF, Ron? I know you're not a smoker and I am aware that I'm a very high functioning near daily cannabis user (granted, I take week/month long breaks when I need to, for various reasons) but having grown my own bud and being picky about what I buy I find that it's possible, even relatively easy to avoid the fog. It ultimately comes down to genetics and ripeness of the trichomes. I'm not denying the general fog with most weed available if used for long time periods or the definite fog from heavy indicas (and yes, THH clears it up significantly, Harmine less so, but still effective) but I would like to go on the record (as an individual who almost never smokes before "real shit", i.e. class, work, etc... and handles his business, :lol: :lol: :lol: ) as saying that with the right strains, long term "mental fog" should not be a side effect of cannabis.
peace
69ron said:
WTF, Ron? I know you're not a smoker and I am aware that I'm a very high functioning near daily cannabis user (granted, I take week/month long breaks when I need to, for various reasons) but having grown my own bud and being picky about what I buy I find that it's possible, even relatively easy to avoid the fog. It ultimately comes down to genetics and ripeness of the trichomes. I'm not denying the general fog with most weed available if used for long time periods or the definite fog from heavy indicas (and yes, THH clears it up significantly, Harmine less so, but still effective) but I would like to go on the record (as an individual who almost never smokes before "real shit", i.e. class, work, etc... and handles his business, :lol: :lol: :lol: ) as saying that with the right strains, long term "mental fog" should not be a side effect of cannabis.
peace
MagikVenom
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polytrip said:
Yes nearly every time I did one I did the other. Been smoking cannabis daily longer than I will admit and of course I am a burn out my brain is fried to a crisp! I am just thankful that most people are stupid because I am a burned out multi-decade cannabis smoker and I am still smarter than most of them who fear cannabis! And I learned almost everything I know with a BONG to my mouth. School and society taught me very little.
I am sure I am abnormal because what makes most people stupid seems to make me smarter. If olny I had never smoked cannabis I would be sitting in the White House now instead of Pres Obama.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry about that Polytrip back to your question they seem to manifest there individual properties in a combinational manner not a synergistic one.
I am not buying the Reefer Madness nor would I encourage anyone to smoke it. Its a fools folly knocking it on a DMT board because my mind has been expanded by psychedelics. I wont believe prejudicial BULLSHIT. (pardon me again for speaking my mind)
If it makes you fearful anxious and stupid do not smoke of eat it. It has always blended with my personality and has aided me in reducing some of the undesirable aspects of my self. So yes it has been nothing but a benefit to me. Not all people use plants but people always have and will I just happen to be one of them.
Peace
MV
69ron
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SnozzleBerry said:
SnozzleBerry, you have no idea how well SWIM knows marijuana. He knows it better than ANY OTHER DRUG THERE IS, and that's from personal experience.
SWIM is a serious EX-marijuana addict. SWIM smoked marijuana every day 3-10 times a day for 7 straight years until he quit and never touched it again. He smoked every kind he could get his hands on. It all causes mental fog. Some is more foggy, some more psychedelic, some more sedating, etc., etc., etc., but it all causes some level of mental fog. That's why they call it "being stoned".
Ron, sorry, I did not mean it as an attack on you, my wtf was more because I was startled than anything. I am unaware of both your experiences with cannabis and the way it effects you. I wanted to add my personal experience as well.
69ron said:
To a degree. The fogginess still lingered but not nearly as much. I usually always low dose some THH then smoke. BUT
I really don't smoke all that much anymore. I bought a vaporizer and havent looked back. A small bowl of vaporized bud + 30-50mg THH subling is very clear, energetic and nice....alot nicer and much more of a different all together feeling than smoking and THH.
ACTG said:
Not too sure on Caapi leaves. BUT for me smoking any of the three harmala freebases with cannabis usually seems to kick in right away with a niceee body load and headspace and lasts around a good 1/2 hour-40 minutes ,and tapers off at about the hour mark. Also the effects seem to linger even after I have came down from the cannabis high.
Smoking these; coming down; then sleeping is heaven for me. I sleep great, have my usual dreams, and feel great upon waking. (although my bed is mighty comfortable in the early a.m .
)Each persons system is different though so effects most likely vary.
Observant
Nothing Stops The Void
SWIM smoked a bowl with a bit of weed , Sage/Lotus and around 30mg THH / Caapi Freebase
after having an unhuman amount of extra strong Cannabis Cookies ( Hashbutter Cookies with weed mixed into).
Right after inhalation he got lightheaded . Sounds including own voice became metallic , kindof like with n20
and he started hearing another very high frequency sound.
(Not pleasant)
The next moments symptoms of Cannabis Overdose kicked in , freezing , impaired motor control/body functions (some involuntary body movements) and some anxiety .
That was an awful lot of THC .... :lol: Normally his tolerance doesnt allow for any cannabis overdose symptoms ... :shock: The harmalas definitely boost effects for the Cannabis , especially this time
after having an unhuman amount of extra strong Cannabis Cookies ( Hashbutter Cookies with weed mixed into).
Right after inhalation he got lightheaded . Sounds including own voice became metallic , kindof like with n20
and he started hearing another very high frequency sound.
(Not pleasant)
The next moments symptoms of Cannabis Overdose kicked in , freezing , impaired motor control/body functions (some involuntary body movements) and some anxiety .
That was an awful lot of THC .... :lol: Normally his tolerance doesnt allow for any cannabis overdose symptoms ... :shock: The harmalas definitely boost effects for the Cannabis , especially this time