Can't manipulate anything in Spice Land

[Harbinger]

Hi everone! This is an amazing forum and I really enjoy reading everyone's experiences!

Swim has done dmt around 20 times, and lsd numerous times. Swim noticed that when on dmt, and you breakthrough to the beautiful place with entities, swim can't consciously manipulate the environment he is in. For example lets say you are in a room with these beings and you look past them at a blank spot and try to make something form or appear there, but nothing happens. The beings continue doing what they were doing regardless of what swim is trying to do.
But on lsd swim can look at a blank wall or any object and and force it to change form and look like typical lsd stuff.

Would that mean that Spice Land is real and independent of swim's mind and will? Whereas lsd is just all in the mind and not real?

I hope this makes sense to people.

 

[smokeydaze]

It does make sense and I can relate to what your saying regarding LSD and it was this fact that made me like it so much. But to answer your question, yes. DMT does with you as it wants.

Welcome!

 

[wake and bacon]

That is one possible scenario... another is that, while both are psychedelics, they can (and do) act quite differently. What you can do consciously on LSD, you'd probably be hard pressed to do on smoked DMT. Have you tried pharmuasca? Aya? See how you can 'manipulate' your environment then, you might be suprised! Or you might not be

Smoked DMT is a tidal wave of amazement, while pharma or aya can be like that bomb ass wave you can ride all the way to shore...