Chaliponga – Where Did I go?

[69ron]

Here’s a recent trip report from SWIM

I’ve been taking chaliponga more often recently. My favorite way of taking chaliponga is sublingually. I usually take 15 mg of alkaloid extract under the tongue. This is roughly 5mg of 5-MeO-DMT and the rest is mostly DMT. Keep in mind that the DMT is not very active sublingually at 10 mg so the effects are just from the 5-MeO-DMT.

At 15 mg, this dose is usually a mild dose with a little bit of visuals and a lot of mental effects. It’s very nice. Smooth, exciting, uplifting, and very euphoric.

Ok, so this time I took 15 mg in the cheek instead of under the tongue. I sat at my computer desk waiting for the effects to start. After 5 minutes it burns a little, not as much as under the tongue, but nothing is felt. After 10 minutes I hardly noticed anything except some euphoria and excitement so I went to bed thinking it wasn’t going to work well.

As I lay in bed I closed my eyes and quickly drifted into a mild visionary state. In the vision there were lots of people taking and things happening all around. But what was unusual was that I wasn’t there. I wasn’t anywhere. I wasn’t even a spectator. I simply didn’t exist. It was someone else’s dream I was in. I had no body. No memories, nothing. As I thought about this I popped back into reality and the visions vanished. I never experienced anything like that before. I closed my eyes again and then bam. I’m experiencing the same vision. The same people are talking. It’s the same place. I recognize nothing at all, it’s simply an ordinary place. The people are talking about mundane ordinary things. There was nothing to learn from the vision. It was just like I had gone to a friend’s house and was talking to a bunch of people about this and that, just a normal day, except I wasn’t there. I simply did not exist. The people couldn’t see me, here me or noticed me in any way at all. The things they talked about had nothing to do with me whatsoever.

Again I thought more about why I was missing from my vision and then suddenly the vision stopped again and I was back in reality laying in my bed wide awake.

Apparently the effects took longer to absorb this way. Instead of peaking after about 10-15 minutes, it peaked after about 20 minute. I still felt effects up until about 40 minutes later.

Today I’m wondering what the heck happened. I’ve never experienced anything like that before from any psychedelic. Even on high doses of LSD I’ve always been there a little bit, maybe without my ego, but I still fill that I’m there. That night during the visions, I wasn’t there at all. I had absolutely no sense of self at all. It was complete ego loss, except that I could still think. I could not feel myself. I could not see myself. The entire vision was rich with lots of content, lots of people, Lots of dialog, very vivid imagery. It looked complete real actually. It didn’t look like a dream or the typical vision. It looked real.

Somehow the effect of not being there was rather relaxing. It bothered me because I never experienced anything like that before and I didn’t know what to make of it. It was like my imagination was dreaming and forgot to include ME in the dream! It was very unusual.

Has anyone else ever experienced anything like that before?

 

[acolon_5]

No, but please tell me,

How was the amount of 5meo-dmt in the chali figured out? I've had chali in aya a few times and I am 100% sure that if there is any 5-meo-dmt in the mix (and there is only 1 report that states there is a minimal amount and many others that say there is none) it is a lot less than 1:2. 5-meo-dmt doesn't really give any visuals and even a small amount overpowers DMT. I am quite skeptical that there is that much in your friends extract.

 

[69ron]

There definitely is without a doubt at least 30% 5-MeO-DMT in most chaliponga SWIM has used. SWIM has used it a lot from many different vendors recently. Sometimes it has more. Sometimes it has less. But it’s usually about 30% 5-MeO-DMT. Those reports of no 5-MeO-DMT are just plain wrong. It has a LOT. In order for an alkaloid extract to be active sublingually at 15 mg, it has to be at least 30% 5-MeO-DMT. At least. SWIM knows the effects of 5-MeO-DMT. SWIM knows for sure it is 5-MeO-DMT. And he knows the dose is about 5 mg from the 15 mg used.

SWIM knows what all the books say about the 5-MeO-DMT content in chaliponga and he knows that most of them are DEAD WRONG. Somehow many people testing chaliponga managed to overlook the high 5-MeO-DMT content (because they didn’t test for it) or they must have tested the wrong species and not chaliponga. Ask people that use it all the time like SWIM. They will tell you it is very high in 5-MeO-DMT. SWIM is telling you the honest truth. He’s not exaggerating. It is one of the most potent sources of 5-MeO-DMT there is.

SWIM knows very well the effects of 5-MeO-DMT, DMT, bufotenine, and quite a few other similar compounds. He wouldn’t mistake one for the other.

It’s NOT possible for DMT or bufotenine to produce the effects SWIM had above. 15 mg of either of those would do almost nothing at all if taken sublingually. The feeling tone, the potency, the specific and unique visual effects, the mental effects, they are all the effects of 5 mg of 5-MeO-DMT. There’s no mistake about that. SWIM is absolutely sure of that.

acolon_5, there's no way I can prove SWIM is telling you the truth. You'll just have to test it out yourself and see. Do a DCM extraction like SWIM does and you’ll see. It has lots of 5-MeO-DMT in it. It’s about 0.2% 5-MeO-DMT and 0.5% DMT on average per dried gram of leaf according to SWIM’s tests.

 

[acolon_5]

I do believe that most of the old assays of plant alkaloids were way off...I've gone through a gram of 5-meo-dmt, but it really wasn't my cup o' tea...so I'm a little shocked to hear you say my favorite aya admixture is chock full it.

But I'm still skeptical...

Why does chali have a similar feel to P. Viridis? They are different for sure, but for one to have 30% 5-meo-dmt and the other to have none seems like a big difference to me. I have taken aya brewed with each on several occasions and I have yet to feel THAT dramatic of a difference. Sometimes the chali is more visual sometimes the viridis is more visual. Is there something about a vinegar cook (or a phosphoric acid cook) for aya that does not capture or destroys the 5-meo-dmt? Is 5-meo-dmt oxide active as DMT N-Oxide is? Can you help me to make sense of this without me having to extract my precious chali?

 

[69ron]

I see why you're skeptical.

SWIM also uses chaliponga in ayahuasca and agrees that it doesn't feel that much different from chacruna. But there's a reason for this.

When 5-MeO-DMT is mixed with harmala alkaloids the effect is far more like DMT and very unlike 5-MeO-DMT is on it's own. It dramatically changes the effects. In that mix 5-MeO-DMT becomes very visual like DMT. The effects are almost completely different.

You can test this out without a complex extraction. You can simply put 5-10 grams of the powdered leaves with about 1/8 tsp of lime (calcium hydroxide) mixed in and place that into both cheeks of your mouth and hold it there for about 10 minutes and then spit it out (don’t swallow any lime). You’ll feel the 5-MeO-DMT in about 5 minutes if you have strong enough leaves. 5-MeO-DMT is very strong sublingually so it doesn’t take much for most people to feel it sublingually (about 2-25 mg for most people) if taken as an isolated chemical. But taken as leaves in the mouth, it’s pretty weak but you can usually feel it if lime is added. 5-MeO-DMT is many times stronger than DMT and bufotenine when taken sublingually so the only effects you’ll feel are from the 5-MeO-DMT.

 

[flyboy]

To answer the original question I've been reading all day about 5-meo (and 5-ho) as opposed to our favorite spice, and it appears as if "THE VOID" you experienced is the essential part of the 5meo trip.

I haven't been there but am, as of this thread, going to go because it sounds very unlike the spice where you certainly do not enter a void of all things.