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Challenging the conventionally accepted theory for the Cretaceous-Paleogene Extinction Event

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Nowadays it's widely accepted that the reason dinosaurs went extinct can be entirely attributed to the asteroid that hit Earth approximately 66 million years ago. However, recent paleothological developments and research point that most of the damage that led to this extinction event could have been caused by something else. That something else happened about 800,000 years before the asteroid impact, and its location is the continent of India, which at that point in time was on the other side of the planet, on its way to crash into Asia.

India hosted the infamous Deccan traps - a volcanic region with a diameter of ~1,000km. And it slowly and deviously came to life. In the process of doing so, the traps started expelling roughly 10,000,000 tons of carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. This amount is insignificant, compared to what we produce nowadays, but they were consistent and after half a million years of constant pollution, the levels were getting dangerously high.

About 300,000 years before the asteroid impact, the traps started spewing out vast amounts of lava. We're talking an absolute flood of lava, interrupted by powerful eruptions that spewed even more lava and toxic gasses in the atmosphere. India was devastated. It's now accepted that should the catastrophy have ended there, we would have probably still had large dinosaurs roaming the planet. But it didn't. In fact, it was about to get much, much worse.

After hundreds of thousands of years of constant emission of those toxic gasses, several things followed. First, the oceans got ~2°C (~35°F) hotter, and just as those aquatic ecosystems had a chance to adapt, the balance was disrupted heavily. Carbon dioxide from the volcanic emissions heated up the planet, but the other primary gas in the mix - sulfur dioxide - actually cooled it. So after the initial period of heating up, a period of cooling down occurred, and those fragile ecosystems just collapsed. Acid rain came down, and the CO2 was acidifying the oceans, killing all the plankton. Dead plankton meant a massive devastation of all ocean ecosystems, since they heavily rely on plankton for their nutritional needs, much like today.

And then ~50,000 years before the asteroid hit, the Deccan traps took things to the next level with even more massive eruptions, spewing out trillions of tons of toxic gas and lava for several thousand years. The eruption was so deep that the gasses expelled contained large amounts of mercury and hydrochloric acid which completely collapsed any remaining food chains and the dinosaurs that depended on them.

And then, like a big cosmic joke, on the other side of the world an asteroid ~10km in diameter smashed into the planet, delivering the final blow. After the impact, the Deccan traps continued expelling lava and gasses for another 800,000 years. Once things settled down, about 75% of all species on our planet were extinct.

The data we have points to an interesting conclusion. Out of the 5 massive extinction events we know, at least 4 were happening during a period of time where extreme volcanic activity was taking place. Here's a rough timeline:
  • Devonian extinction event (~372 million years ago, ~75% of species extinct) - Kola-Dnieper Provinces eruptions
  • Permian extinction event (~252 million years ago, ~95% of species extinct) - Siberian Traps eruptions
  • Triassic extinction event (~201 million years ago, ~80% of species extinct) - Central Atlantic Magmatic Province eruptions
  • Cretacious extinction event (~66 million years ago, ~75% of species extinct) - Deccan Traps eruptions
There are more examples of this pattern, but the fossil record is difficult to read for those, hence scientists are still on the fence about them. However, the data we have points to this pattern being very real, and a very plausible explanation for those extinction events. While the asteroid that hit our planet during the Cretacious extinction event definitely would have caused a lot of death and destruction, most of the dirty work was probably done by the Deccan traps.

And our planet still has such volcanic regions that, should they erupt in the same way, would cause similar (if not worse) destruction to us today. But the good news is that technology has developed enough to give us a warning potentially even millions of years before an eruption can happen.

What a sight it would have been, to see the planet in those states. The vast amount of destruction, and the irreversible extinction of species that had ruled the planet for millions of years.

Let's hope we never see such destruction firsthand.
 
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The notion that the dinosaurs were already struggling has been around for a few years, so it's refreshing to see the broader idea gain more currency. The recent Kurzgesagt video will have assisted in bringing these points to discussion, and presumably was already in response to recent science media rumblings.

The 'big rock from space' hypothesis certainly had its appeal as a single magic bullet explanation for the demise of the dinosaurs, but of course reality will have unfolded in a far more complicated fashion.

The dinosaurs were around for such a staggeringly long time, it makes me wonder whether any of them developed something resembling culture and technology, and although our present-day view of the reptilian brain would appear to discount this, we only have to look at the extant descendants, the birds, to see how much intelligence and creativity some of the dinosaurs may have possessed.
 
The notion that the dinosaurs were already struggling has been around for a few years, so it's refreshing to see the broader idea gain more currency. The recent Kurzgesagt video will have assisted in bringing these points to discussion, and presumably was already in response to recent science media rumblings.

The 'big rock from space' hypothesis certainly had its appeal as a single magic bullet explanation for the demise of the dinosaurs, but of course reality will have unfolded in a far more complicated fashion.

The dinosaurs were around for such a staggeringly long time, it makes me wonder whether any of them developed something resembling culture and technology, and although our present-day view of the reptilian brain would appear to discount this, we only have to look at the extant descendants, the birds, to see how much intelligence and creativity some of the dinosaurs may have possessed.
As usual, you're very perceptive :) Indeed, KG's latest video inspired me to look further into this. You're absolutely right that the asteroid theory was treated like a magic bullet because it's easy to treat it that way. But as we all know, it's never quite so simple in nature. Even though the overarching patterns in nature may appear simplistic, it's the connections between them that make the overall complexity skyrocket beyond our wildest understanding.

The Permian extinction event spiked my interest the most, because it was then that nature almost wiped out all life on the planet. If those Siberian Traps kept erupting for just another 1,000 years (which, on the global temporal scale is basically nothing), there's a 99.99% chance that we wouldn't exist right now. Just think about it - as resilient and adaptive as life might appear, it's also absurdly fragile when put against even a localized catastrophic event like this. All of this magic that we're experiencing - the power of community, the mystery of the psychedelic experience, the invigorating sense of love and belonging...all of our art, all of our dreams and hopes - it could've never happened. And yet, as if by some miracle of chance, nature gave us a chance and left those last ~5% of organisms intact, so that the genetic winds of time could have at it once more.

I find it so poetic, so beautiful, and such a hauntingly potent reminder that we should not be taking life for granted.
 
Didn't expect to read this on the nexus!

I definitely find this theory much more plausible than the established perception. I mean, when we think about world history, we rarely attribute wars, revolutions, etc. with just one event. It really takes an understanding of the entire history leading up to that moment to establish why whatever happened, happened. Nobody says that *WWI started just because Franz Ferdinand got assassinated, it was a very complex intermingling of a plethora of many different simultaneously occurring events across the globe, so it's always been a mystery to me why we love simplification so much when it comes to non-human history. Especially when it comes to the falls of empires, the explanation really requires a long history of what came before, and I'm sure it's the same case with the dinosaurs, and on an even larger scale.

This was a fascinating read though, and as much self-education as I've done on dinosaurs, I wasn't familiar with a lot of it. As a kid I was obsessed with dinosaurs and archaeology, sometimes I'm pretty sad I lost that interest along the way, it's a really intriguing field - one that we like to think we know everything about, even though we finally decided to agree dinosaurs had feathers not that long ago. Just goes to show how much we don't know.

Also.. speaking of (a different) KG.. King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard rules. :cool:
 
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Extremely fascinating.
This goes hand in hand with the ancient Yuga theory which states that the Earth is time and time again destroyed by a fire and is made anew for a fresh period of existence.
 
I appreciate that it isn't one singular smoking gun! As a kid, myself and tons of others had the singular asteroid theory beat into our heads. Becoming a little older and looking into a childhood fascination led to more insightful answers. What little I've read into the matter indicates several, highly plausible solutions to the problem. To go a tiny bit further, it's extremely likely that a mixture of them caused such unprecedented destruction.

Ever late to the party, I'm happy and unsurprised that I am not the only one sharing the sentiment above. It's good to challenge conventionally accepted truths, and it can be difficult to gain traction for good / new ideas. That being said, science has always been the best lantern in the darkness of what we don't know. Acceptance by the larger non-scientific community is usually what takes the most time.
 
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