Changa and heart attacks

[FractalDesign]

Hey nexians I have a reasonably quick question. Apologies if this has been asked but I couldnt find any specific info.

A friend of mine really wants to try dmt, but is iffy about substances as he has suffered a heart attack previously and has to take more care about his heart.

Now I have some changa, it is a 1:1:1 mix of acrb jungle spice/oil, full spectrum freebase harmalas from rue of very light tan colour and b.caapi leaf.

I would just like to know if anybody here still smokes changa after suffering a heart attack and if it has caused any issues for you?

Ofcourse I wont be giving him any unless we can both be sure it is safe.

Thanks everyone

 

[Exitwound]

I think seeking and providing medical assistance and advice is against the rules in general here.

You also shouldn't be asking on the internet forum "if my friend with weak heart smokes on of the strongest psychedelics, will he die" kind of question I think. Because the answer is obvious.

If he has a weak heart, then the most responsible thing would be to stay off any substances.
(And consult an actual MD, not random strangers on the internets).

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Also we do NOT give medical advice here (such as telling people not to see doctors and go to shamans for serious medical problems, etc), as this thread explains.

 

[FractalDesign]

I think seeking and providing medical assistance and advice is against the rules in general here.

You also shouldn't be asking on the internet forum "if my friend with weak heart smokes on of the strongest psychedelics, will he die" kind of question I think. Because the answer is obvious.

If he has a weak heart, then the most responsible thing would be to stay off any substances.
(And consult an actual MD, not random strangers on the internets).

Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

Also we do NOT give medical advice here (such as telling people not to see doctors and go to shamans for serious medical problems, etc), as this thread explains.

Apologies I was more asking for experiences rather than medical assistance however I can see how it could be seen as that.

 

[rOm]

DMT shouldn't be too hard on the heart in theory and from expericne like the DMT spirit molecule reaserh ledby Rick Strassman, but still can raise the heartbeat while going up or caused by the possible stress induced by fear of the unknown or Near Death Experience.
For this reason I would also guess it might be still a bit risky. same for cannabis smoking which could induce tachichardia.
So this isn't medical advice and is more a thought sharing hypothetically.

 

[skoobysnax]

I think seeking and providing medical assistance and advice is against the rules in general here.

You also shouldn't be asking on the internet forum "if my friend with weak heart smokes on of the strongest psychedelics, will he die" kind of question I think. Because the answer is obvious.

If he has a weak heart, then the most responsible thing would be to stay off any substances.
(And consult an actual MD, not random strangers on the internets).

Attitude Page - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

Also we do NOT give medical advice here (such as telling people not to see doctors and go to shamans for serious medical problems, etc), as this thread explains.

I agree. This isnt the place to seek this advice. I dissuade anyone who isn't physically and mentally fit from using substances in general. I would advise them to ask a physician to evaluate their risks for exercise and start working at whatever level is available.

 

[FranLover]

Maybe it can cause a heart attack, I've thought this a couple of times during or after experiences...I whole heartedly believe drugs are not safe. There are great dangers in playing with things we dont understand. This I know; there are limits to the body.

 

[null24]

It does not sound to me like OP was askng for direct medical advice but as they started, merely asking for experiences to help come to an understanding.

As far as the question, I have no education on the matter but would suggest proceeding with caution. As stated above, DMT does not seem to have properties in and of itself that could cause a severe raise in blood pressure, but if the candidate is not supposed to engage in strenuous activity that alone may contraindicate DMT use with his condition. DMT can certainly cause anxiety which can raise heart rate and blood pressure. Can he have sex safely? If so, maybe they'll be alright. Of course, it is not worth penally hurting oneself or another. This is all uneducated opinion.

By no means is this a suggestion for anything other than a subject to look into, but could an anxiolytic med or herb be used safely by the candidate to mitigate anxiety and would that be safe?

 

[RhythmSpring]

I've read a few instances on here of smoked DMT precipitating a stroke and/or aneurysm.

That's not to speak of Changa, however.

If it were me, though, I would tread with extreme caution. I've had some heart troubles due to Babesia, and while it's not the classic heart attack minefield that those with typical heart disease face, I have had some very scary heart symptoms occur when I ingested DMT orally with MAOI.

However, it could be surmised that those heart symptoms would have occurred naturally anyway, and the DMT aspect didn't hurt, and perhaps even helped.

Good luck. It's definitely an unknown, with lots of variables.

 

[Jega]

I would say "No way."

Forget for a minute any physiological effects of the substance itself- the experience can be more overwhelming than your first sky-dive. This is going to put some strain on the heart. Personally I would avoid.

 

[corpus callosum]

People may use the term "heart attack" to describe a range of cardiac troubles, many of which will require ongoing medication. For these reasons, giving advice is very risky.

One would need much more information and ideally access to the clinical notes before venturing to offer a considered opinion.