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Hey everyone,

I made my first attempt on the CIELO extraction recently and got goo in the end. I created my account now to contribute to finding the reason of getting goo as a result and to get help regarding my next steps.

I have a some Peruvian torch complete cactus powder (skin, core, spines, everything). For the first attempt I scaled everything to a 10g test run. I used a total of 30mL water to make the paste. I would say my paste looked similar to starbobs in his first post, maybe a bit drier.

I have the feeling I was rather slow during the EA pulls but not longer than the 45min mentioned in the TEK (more around 30min). The total paste amount was not so much which made squeezing in the french press hard. I therefore think that I did not push out any excess water but rather left EA behind.

The EA pulls combined were around 80-90g. It had a dark green color but was completely clear. I let it sit 30 min before putting it in the fridge. It was all clear and no sight of water. After 3 hours in the fridge I checked on it and saw that it had gotten cloudy. I took it out to see if I could filter it through another coffee filter. I should mention that temperatures are really high here at the moment (around 35°C/95°F). This led to condensation of water on the cold jar. I started seeing the condensation immediately when I took it out. I quickly transferred the EA into a new jar before the condensation could get worse. Once transferred I saw that I had water droplets in it. However, the solution had warmed up and was not cloudy anymore. So it was cloudy when it was cold and clear when warm. I transferred the EA again into a new jar separating it from the water droplets that stuck to the wall. After another 2h I saw no new water droplets forming and decided to add the citric acid.

I added 270mg of citric acid. I saw immediate clouding and gave the jar a swirl to dissolve all the citric acid. I then left it overnight in the cupboard. In the morning I saw that goo droplets had formed. Same as in Starbobs video. After another 12h nothing had changed.
I decided to follow starbobs approach and decanted most of the EA and added ~80mL fresh EA. The goo immediately changed to a sticky brown paste. Same as starbob shows in his images calling it "glue" but browner in color. It starts sticking to the bottom and the side of the jar and is not dispersed anymore. After another 24h I replaced the EA again and nothing changes except for the color going to a white with a slight tan. I tried scratching the sticking glue with a knife to bring it into solution but it is just floating around and settling again.

I am not sure where the errors in my execution are. Here are some ideas I had:
-I am using citric acid monohydrate. The EA was probably saturated with water due to the condensation. I therefore think that in combination with the citric acid monohydrate it was excess water.
-Maybe the whole cactus powder containing spines skin and core is causing the goo.
-I was using tap water and not distilled water I am not sure if that might cause problems.
-I was using normal spoons for mixing the paste and EA. Not sure if i should have used glass tools instead.

I will try another 10g test extraction this weekend. I will be using anhydrous citric acid and distilled water. I will not put it in the fridge to avoid condensation on the jar and let it sit some hours in my cupboard before adding citric acid.

Regarding my next steps on the glue/goo. I decanted all the EA now and will let the glue dry. It looks like white and brown/orange sticky droplets on the bottom of the jar. If I am not mistaken it does contains my mescaline. After drying it should I add it to another extraction run or rather do the process proposed by Loveall with water, sodium carbonate and doing EA pulls.

Regarding the decanted of EA: Is there any mescaline left in it? I just did a pH test and it is at around 5-6. Should I add more citric acid to that and see what happens or should I consider it free of mescaline and do the cleanup process on it to reuse it for further runs?

Thank you to everyone taking the time to read all of this. Sorry for any language mistakes. I am not a native speaker.
Thanks for any help, advice and insight. Looking forward to discuss with you and hopefully help find a solution for "The goo problem".

<blockquote data-quote="BlackRose" data-source="post: 3893437" data-attributes="member: 53925">Hey everyone,I made my first attempt on the CIELO extraction recently and got goo in the end. I created my account now to contribute to finding the reason of getting goo as a result and to get help regarding my next steps.I have a some Peruvian torch complete cactus powder (skin, core, spines, everything). For the first attempt I scaled everything to a 10g test run. I used a total of 30mL water to make the paste. I would say my paste looked similar to starbobs in his first post, maybe a bit drier.I have the feeling I was rather slow during the EA pulls but not longer than the 45min mentioned in the TEK (more around 30min). The total paste amount was not so much which made squeezing in the french press hard. I therefore think that I did not push out any excess water but rather left EA behind.The EA pulls combined were around 80-90g. It had a dark green color but was completely clear. I let it sit 30 min before putting it in the fridge. It was all clear and no sight of water. After 3 hours in the fridge I checked on it and saw that it had gotten cloudy. I took it out to see if I could filter it through another coffee filter. I should mention that temperatures are really high here at the moment (around 35°C/95°F). This led to condensation of water on the cold jar. I started seeing the condensation immediately when I took it out. I quickly transferred the EA into a new jar before the condensation could get worse. Once transferred I saw that I had water droplets in it. However, the solution had warmed up and was not cloudy anymore. So it was cloudy when it was cold and clear when warm. I transferred the EA again into a new jar separating it from the water droplets that stuck to the wall. After another 2h I saw no new water droplets forming and decided to add the citric acid.I added 270mg of citric acid. I saw immediate clouding and gave the jar a swirl to dissolve all the citric acid. I then left it overnight in the cupboard. In the morning I saw that goo droplets had formed. Same as in Starbobs video. After another 12h nothing had changed.I decided to follow starbobs approach and decanted most of the EA and added ~80mL fresh EA. The goo immediately changed to a sticky brown paste. Same as starbob shows in his images calling it &quot;glue&quot; but browner in color. It starts sticking to the bottom and the side of the jar and is not dispersed anymore. After another 24h I replaced the EA again and nothing changes except for the color going to a white with a slight tan. I tried scratching the sticking glue with a knife to bring it into solution but it is just floating around and settling again.I am not sure where the errors in my execution are. Here are some ideas I had:-I am using citric acid monohydrate. The EA was probably saturated with water due to the condensation. I therefore think that in combination with the citric acid monohydrate it was excess water.-Maybe the whole cactus powder containing spines skin and core is causing the goo.-I was using tap water and not distilled water I am not sure if that might cause problems.-I was using normal spoons for mixing the paste and EA. Not sure if i should have used glass tools instead. I will try another 10g test extraction this weekend. I will be using anhydrous citric acid and distilled water. I will not put it in the fridge to avoid condensation on the jar and let it sit some hours in my cupboard before adding citric acid.Regarding my next steps on the glue/goo. I decanted all the EA now and will let the glue dry. It looks like white and brown/orange sticky droplets on the bottom of the jar. If I am not mistaken it does contains my mescaline. After drying it should I add it to another extraction run or rather do the process proposed by Loveall with water, sodium carbonate and doing EA pulls.Regarding the decanted of EA: Is there any mescaline left in it? I just did a pH test and it is at around 5-6. Should I add more citric acid to that and see what happens or should I consider it free of mescaline and do the cleanup process on it to reuse it for further runs?Thank you to everyone taking the time to read all of this. Sorry for any language mistakes. I am not a native speaker. Thanks for any help, advice and insight. Looking forward to discuss with you and hopefully help find a solution for &quot;The goo problem&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BlackRose, post: 3893437, member: 53925"] Hey everyone, I made my first attempt on the CIELO extraction recently and got goo in the end. I created my account now to contribute to finding the reason of getting goo as a result and to get help regarding my next steps. I have a some Peruvian torch complete cactus powder (skin, core, spines, everything). For the first attempt I scaled everything to a 10g test run. I used a total of 30mL water to make the paste. I would say my paste looked similar to starbobs in his first post, maybe a bit drier. I have the feeling I was rather slow during the EA pulls but not longer than the 45min mentioned in the TEK (more around 30min). The total paste amount was not so much which made squeezing in the french press hard. I therefore think that I did not push out any excess water but rather left EA behind. The EA pulls combined were around 80-90g. It had a dark green color but was completely clear. I let it sit 30 min before putting it in the fridge. It was all clear and no sight of water. After 3 hours in the fridge I checked on it and saw that it had gotten cloudy. I took it out to see if I could filter it through another coffee filter. I should mention that temperatures are really high here at the moment (around 35°C/95°F). This led to condensation of water on the cold jar. I started seeing the condensation immediately when I took it out. I quickly transferred the EA into a new jar before the condensation could get worse. Once transferred I saw that I had water droplets in it. However, the solution had warmed up and was not cloudy anymore. So it was cloudy when it was cold and clear when warm. I transferred the EA again into a new jar separating it from the water droplets that stuck to the wall. After another 2h I saw no new water droplets forming and decided to add the citric acid. I added 270mg of citric acid. I saw immediate clouding and gave the jar a swirl to dissolve all the citric acid. I then left it overnight in the cupboard. In the morning I saw that goo droplets had formed. Same as in Starbobs video. After another 12h nothing had changed. I decided to follow starbobs approach and decanted most of the EA and added ~80mL fresh EA. The goo immediately changed to a sticky brown paste. Same as starbob shows in his images calling it "glue" but browner in color. It starts sticking to the bottom and the side of the jar and is not dispersed anymore. After another 24h I replaced the EA again and nothing changes except for the color going to a white with a slight tan. I tried scratching the sticking glue with a knife to bring it into solution but it is just floating around and settling again. I am not sure where the errors in my execution are. Here are some ideas I had: -I am using citric acid monohydrate. The EA was probably saturated with water due to the condensation. I therefore think that in combination with the citric acid monohydrate it was excess water. -Maybe the whole cactus powder containing spines skin and core is causing the goo. -I was using tap water and not distilled water I am not sure if that might cause problems. -I was using normal spoons for mixing the paste and EA. Not sure if i should have used glass tools instead. I will try another 10g test extraction this weekend. I will be using anhydrous citric acid and distilled water. I will not put it in the fridge to avoid condensation on the jar and let it sit some hours in my cupboard before adding citric acid. Regarding my next steps on the glue/goo. I decanted all the EA now and will let the glue dry. It looks like white and brown/orange sticky droplets on the bottom of the jar. If I am not mistaken it does contains my mescaline. After drying it should I add it to another extraction run or rather do the process proposed by Loveall with water, sodium carbonate and doing EA pulls. Regarding the decanted of EA: Is there any mescaline left in it? I just did a pH test and it is at around 5-6. Should I add more citric acid to that and see what happens or should I consider it free of mescaline and do the cleanup process on it to reuse it for further runs? Thank you to everyone taking the time to read all of this. Sorry for any language mistakes. I am not a native speaker. Thanks for any help, advice and insight. Looking forward to discuss with you and hopefully help find a solution for "The goo problem". [/QUOTE]