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Collecting the fat/oils

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PureMan

PureMan

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SWIM has a jar that has some base liquid and a good amount of yellow/orange oil floating above it, sitting in naptha. The dark base liquid is on the bottom, oil/fats above base, and excess naptha above oil/fats. He had been using this jar for a while to separate the oil/fat from the clean naptha.

SWIM is wondering if there is an easy way of collecting the good stuff while leaving behind the bad. He doesn't want it to go to waste.
 
Can't you use a turkey baster or similar to suck up the yellow orange oil?

Once you do that, allow it to dry and I'll bet you'll see xtal formations in the waxy oils. Then just re-x until its nice and clean.
 
The problem is that the oils sit above the layer of red base liquid. When I try and suck up the oil I always end up getting base liquid as well.
 
what kind of container is it in? If it's hdpe or a glass with a narrow neck, can you either add water or squeeze it so your solvent is in a narrower section of the vessel? This would give it more depth and make it easier to avoid getting base liquid along with your solvent.
 
It is sitting in a normal sized jar. Sadly SWIM doesn't have something more narrow.

The oil isn't soluble in water correct?.. If SWIM removes the red crap first and adds water after, repeating this process a number of times, theoretically this should get rid of most of the bad stuff.

Do you think this will work?
 
I think it's at least worth a shot if you can't get a half gallon hdpe water/milk jug...worst case, if you can't get all the basic solution gone you could use vinegar or fasi/fasa to salt out the dmt and go from there. Vinegar would allow for the freebase heat conversion.
 
Didn't work as planned.. Now SWIM has a bunch of brown oily water.. =/

What is it that SWIM can do with vinegar?
 
If you add a some naphtha to the oil/water mix and agitate it, it should grab the vast majority of any spice you have in there. Then take that naphtha layer and put it in another jar (you should be fine taking a little bit of the water along with the naphtha, ensuring you get all the naphtha out). Then to the naphtha jar, add some vinegar and agitate it, salting the freebase out of the naphtha and into the acidic aqueous layer (the vinegar).

From there all that needs to be done is to suck out the vinegar from below the naphtha (it doesn't matter if you get a little naphtha along with the vinegar, as it will evaporate when you convert your acetate to freebase) and place it in an evaporation dish (a pyrex baking tray or similar works great). Put this dish over pot of simmering/boiling water and let it sit there until it no longer smells of vinegar. You may need to add water to the pot as it simmers so that it doesn't boil dry.

The final product will be a reddish waxy product that should smell of DMT. q21q21 did a very nice write up of the acetate to freebase conversion in this thread

As he comments, it's not the most efficient method, but given that your oil was in fairly unrecoverable, I think it's worth a shot. Sorry that you encountered the oily-water problem, I've never run into that. I hope this helps.
 
Ok, so the water separated into two layers. There is the dark red stuff on the bottom and a brownish layer above it. SWIM decided to transfer the brownish layer into another jar and added naptha to it. He agitated them together for a while, pulled the naptha and transferred it to another jar.

He finds that the oil doesn't seem to stay in the naptha for very long before it separates and moves to the bottom of the naptha layer, making it very difficult to collect in time without pulling any of the brown.

Is there another way to extract the oil out of the brown water?
 
Cloud said:
He finds that the oil doesn't seem to stay in the naptha for very long before it separates and moves to the bottom of the naptha layer, making it very difficult to collect in time without pulling any of the brown.
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So are you saying after you pulled the naphtha and put it in the other jar, the oil separates out of (falls below) the naphtha? If that's the case, you should be fine just agitating it and pulling the naphtha from off of the oil...the DMT should migrate from the oil into the naphtha. If I am misunderstanding what's going on let me know and I'll do my best to help.
 
The oil collects at the bottom of the naptha. Whenever SWIM tries sucking it up, he always manages getting base liquid as well. The oil doesn't seem to stay in the naptha for too long before moving to the bottom.
 
If its not staying in the naphtha it shouldnt be dmt so why do you want it?

In any case why dont you separate the oil together with some of your base liquid, do a crude transfer. Then you'll have a container with a little bit of naphtha, your oils (which are still a complete mystery to me what they are, because it should dissolve in the naphtha if its goodies), and some base liquid. Then you could separate the naphtha, add plenty of vinegar to that base/oil, and filter it to remove inactives (because any actives should be dissolved in the acidified liquid). Then re-base with lye and use again warm naphtha to pull.. Whatever is goodies will be in naphtha, whatever it isnt can be discarded. How does that sound?
 
SWIM figured it out. He added lye to the brown water, added naptha, and stirred 20 minutes later. It then separated into 3 layers 20-30 minutes later. He then collected the top layer and freeze precipitated to find a very nice amount of yellow oil on the bottom soon after.. :D

SWIM thanks you for the help!
 
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