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masoninthesis

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Fellow psychonauts,

Having smoked dmt, when I heard of the MAOI method I was in love. Besides, I might describe smoking dmt as short lived and too intense for my current comfort level. Not ready for it yet. So I tried ayahuasca- massive success.

I did very little research on Ayahuasca before having it, besides safety precautions, because I didn't want others interpretations to affect my perception of the experience. Having climbed to the top of a rocky mountain peak to administer it, the usual effects of nature speaking to me we're very present.

That was 4 months ago. Since, from various forums I learned it was frowned upon in the community to buy ayahuasca from a "drug dealer". That was okay with me, especially after connecting to the trees in the mountains, I wanted to learn how to brew for the spiritual aspect.

Months and months of research ensued learning do's and don'ts. I found what I thought was a common denominator recipe. One I found recreated time and time again over various forums with high success rates. I finally ordered my materials, my body was surged with excitement just to be able to brew it myself. I spent 24 hours total- shredding, brewing, reducing, and finally to test my brew a day later.

I reduced to 12oz because I wanted more than just a shot of concentrated ayahuasca. I wanted to slowly sip it for hours.

3 hours later, frustrated with a mostly sober mind, I went to bed. Trying not to be too disappointed I'm seeking help on troubleshooting. I'm aware that no one can tell me exactly why it didn't work, but I'm hoping some more experienced than myself can help deduce it.

The recipe was as follows:

50g of vine(bark was present on vine) shredded very finely put into a ceramic crock pot (slow cooker) w/ 60g chacruna leaves. Added 2.5L of filtered (not distilled) water. 1 tbsp apple cider vinegar. Slow cooked for 3 hrs until 1L remained. Filtered out plant material and repeated process with 2L water. Repeated once more with 1.5L of water. Left with 3L of brew I reduced to 12oz in a steel pot. Froze it overnight. Unthawed, heated, and drank.

Red flags:
- Non distilled water
- Unverified plant materials (although seemingly in their correct form)
- Only did a 5hr fast (but dieted healthy)
- Only 24 hr orgasm withhold

I thought a lot of this stuff was maybe a little superstitious such as mama aya's jealousy of orgasms and such, but after my unsuccessful experience I'm looking for any or the most logical explanations. I still have enough material for 3 more doses, so I would love to try again when I'm ready.

Thank you all so much for the major help you've been even so far. Much love!

- masoninthesis
 
From my experience both chacruna and caapi tend to be quite weak. I would suggest using mimosa and supplimenting your caapi dose with a wee bit of rue or isolated harmine/harmaline.....

To give an example I generally ingest 40-50mg of harmine fumerate,15-20mg of harmaline along with around 50-100 grams of caapi extracted potion. This gives me about a 2-3 hour trip usually with under 5 grams of mimosa involved.

If I want the trip to be more intense and long lasting I simply add more harmine or harmaline depending on HOW intense I want it to be. I find that adding pure harmalas only adds to the richness of the caapi and does not seem to take away from it in the least.

Another problem may be that you over filtered your caapi. From my experience caapi extract should look more like a thin soup than a liquid. I find that the muslin bags work good for this, it's a very efficient type of filter.

You might want to eyeball test the potency your caapi by looking at your extract under a blacklight to see if it glows
 
That's awesome. I'll definitely look into experimenting with some more potent plants. Thanks for the tip on over filtering. I had no idea that could be a culprit because I thought the dmt and MAOI were in the liquid, not the muddy stuff. So if that's what you're saying is true, I probably shouldn't have filtered it through a cotton rag, yeah?

As for now, I still have about 150g of caapi and chacruna left over. I plan on seeing what I can do with that, maybe I'll make 2 doses this time like is usually recommended. I guess I just figured if I managed to stomach 50g each than that would undoubtedly be a proper dosage.

I also didn't know black lights could reveal the potency! Would the extract be defined as the muddy/soupy stuff that comes out of the brew? Or can I inspect the vine itself?

Thanks much for the tips!
 
It depends a lot on the caapi and chacruna. Some are weak at 100g, some are very potent at 30g... If you check our suppliers section, maybe you can see specific reviews of the plants from different vendors.

As for the filtering, filtering is not a problem IME as long as you do it before reducing.

Non-distilled water and orgasm make no difference to me. Also you can try instead of 5hr empty stomach, to eat one piece of 'something' after drinking the aya (like piece of bread or fruit or something), because this can potentially stimulate the digestion and make you absorb the alkaloids better (at least for pharma it seems to work very well).

Something you can do also is to first find out the strenght of the caapi by consuming it separately (if its new batch, start with 20-30g maybe). Once you find the right dosage, where you feel the harmalas, are light-headed, have mild tracers and are light-sensitive, but are not overwhelmed and too dizzy, then next time take that same dosage with the added dmt-containing plant in also a reasnable dosage. Then you can adjust accordingly the next trips.

I hear hawaian chacruna is way more potent so if you try that, remember to start dosing low.

Let us know how your relationship with this wonderful brew develops.

Be well!
 
Thanks endless! Sounds like if it's not the fasting process, the water I used, or due to over filtering than it is most likely due to potency of my plant material. Hopefully I'll be able to get momma aya to grant me access into her mysterious world.

I felt warm and relaxed when I had it. I think the caapi effects were present, maybe I should try doubling the dosage of my chacruna to 100g?
 
Thanks endless! Sounds like if it's not the fasting process, the water I used, or due to over filtering than it is most likely due to potency of my plant material. Hopefully I'll be able to get momma aya to grant me access into her mysterious world.

I felt warm and relaxed when I had it. I think the caapi effects were present, maybe I should try doubling the dosage of my chacruna to 100g?
 
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